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Are we taught Hitler was bad because the allies won the war?
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Look every "monster" in history did a few good or decent things doesn't mean they didn't do all the other stuff.

Not every fact is changed by the victors at the end of a war. And propaganda works both ways. So I guess if you think Hitler was a pretty cool guy that's your thing, but I think he was a monster and wish the multiple assassination attempts that several of his advisers attempted would have succeeded.
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MattMiller wrote: Look every "monster" in history did a few good or decent things doesn't mean they didn't do all the other stuff.
Not every fact is changed by the victors at the end of a war. And propaganda works both ways. So I guess if you think Hitler was a pretty cool guy that's your thing, but I think he was a monster and wish the multiple assassination attempts that several of his advisers attempted would have succeeded.
Yeah wasn't one of the bombings under a table and he survived making him feeling godless? (or more of an god or that I am a stronger or better being)
Sure if we say he had some good parts does not say that he is a good guy or for the most part a good guy as he isn't.

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Where is the textbook that taught Hitler was "bad"?

I thought they just list the stuff he did.

After we read the stuff, we decide.
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MattMiller wrote: Look every "monster" in history did a few good or decent things doesn't mean they didn't do all the other stuff.
Not every fact is changed by the victors at the end of a war. And propaganda works both ways. So I guess if you think Hitler was a pretty cool guy that's your thing, but I think he was a monster and wish the multiple assassination attempts that several of his advisers attempted would have succeeded.
Yeah wasn't one of the bombings under a table and he survived making him feeling godless? (or more of an god or that I am a stronger or better being)
Sure if we say he had some good parts does not say that he is a good guy or for the most part a good guy as he isn't.



There where like 27 documented attempts starting in 1934. But that was kinda a thing back then if you check other world leaders from that time.

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This thread makes me sad.
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History is written by the victors.

Always has been, always will be.


Pretty much. I've always wanted to learn history from the perspective of the losers. It would certainly provide some interesting insight.

Lately, I've been watching this intriguing program called World World 2 in Color. Now I understand why old men drink whiskey and watch war movies. I'd pay to watch an in-color version of Japan's Sengoku Jidai. Too bad no cameras were available back then, obviously.

Seeing black-and-white films and pictures in HD color really lets history hit home for some reason. It feels like Hitler could've been there just 10 years ago.

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Where is the textbook that taught Hitler was "bad"?

I thought they just list the stuff he did.

After we read the stuff, we decide.


Are you sure? I read stuff like "His horrendous crimes..." and "Such an inhumane, chauvinistic theory..."
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nanikore2 wrote:

Where is the textbook that taught Hitler was "bad"?

I thought they just list the stuff he did.

After we read the stuff, we decide.

Teaching and learning can be done outside of a textbook as well. Imagine how being exposed to the internet and different opinions may affect your view. You could be a person who thought "Hey, he was a good leader who did shitty things.", but see someone talk about how monstrous he is. That could affect your view on the matter in a variety of ways: some people can't admit to having an unpopular opinion, you may just be easily persuaded, etc.

I think the way we look at him would be drastically different had he led Germany to victory. Or maybe he would have started WW3, had they won. We don't know. But it goes without saying that he is more villified than he needs to be. Yes, he made terrible decisions, he killed innocents for no reason other than to 'purify' his country. But, he brought Germany out of a shitty situation in a very short amount of time. Now granted, it ended with Germany in another shitty situation, but it wouldn't have ended that way if his forces had won.

Idk. I think he was a great leader who was just too ambitious. There's no doubt people in power today that are like him in many ways, but they're smart enough to not act like he did. Putting the morals of the person alongside of their accomplishments is just stupid, in my opinion.
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Pretty much. I've always wanted to learn history from the perspective of the losers. It would certainly provide some interesting insight.


Well, you could try watching the German movie "Downfall" without making wacky YouTube videos out of it, for a start.
German people knew, or started to realize, they were putting their life trust and hopes for a glorious future in a barking manic-depressive nutcase, but it was the idea they were sacrificing themselves to. The nutcase was just starting to make it difficult for them.

"Das Boot" was also a good German-POV wartime film, from the perspective of scared German-navy U-boat boys who lived every day knowing they were considered expendable, but feared the retribution of their own government more than the enemy's.
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we are taught of his actions in schools, not that he is a monster, that much is inferred from his actions. IE, the teacher who is telling you about the past is not calling Hitler "the great monster" he or she is telling you about the actions he made, and the actions of Germany during world war two. I am sure that if the Nazis had won the war we would hear far more about what the allies did that was wrong, and more about the wrongdoings of the Jewish community and other non arians(sp?). I am sure they would also skip the genocide bit for the most part, but history is ignored by the winning side and often misconstrued in small ways over a long spread education.

was Hitler a monster? no, he was a person. Did he do monstrous things, yes. But the actions of the Nazi party are not his alone, many were just as "evil" in the actions they made. Actually you could almost say that Hitler turning mad is a byproduct of the way things were handled in world war one. But there is a lot of shaky ground, some say he lost his vision and started having mental illness problems after he was attacked with mustard gas by the British, others say he had mental health issues prior and suffered temporary blindness from sever hysteria and that he spent a lot of time eliminating evidence of his mental disorders just before world war 2.
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We're taught he's bad because his ideology conflicts with our own.
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Voc666IV wrote:

-The holocaust

-plunging Europe into full scale war

-deliberate killing of the mentally disabled

-The banning of all other political parties

Amongst other things

Still, nice to see that David Irving has some fans though


Honestly, from an atheist/Darwinist perspective, cold hard eugenics of individuals who can't contribute well to society is beneficial. He put an end to the misery of the mentally disabled, well at least they won't be sucking up the resources of the more productive citizens. It's good for society, and maybe even for the individuals.

"The Holocaust" if it were real at all, was sort of like population control, akin to China's modern methods. The Jews in Germany and Europe weren't unproductive, but as other posters have stated, they were close to the Muslim extremists we have today, hard dealing businesses and cheating a lot with laws and the economy. They were viewed as like leeches or like a wrench in the system. Hitler's methods were cold, but effective.

Hitler didn't plunge Europe into all out war, that's Europe and America's reaction tbh. Before engaging a European country he would try to make peace with them and have them agree with his terms, if they disagreed, he had no other choice but to conquer them for the greater good.

It's the same with Japan in Asia. If all those third world countries just let Japan take over, then they wouldn't be third world countries today. J/s











also /troll :D

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It's well known that Hitler was a fantastic leader who pretty much single-handedly saved Germany.

If it wasn't for the Holocaust, he'd probably be one of the most respected leaders in modern history.
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Human experimentation and genocide... not a good role model
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Or you know, there is the minor fact that he did murder over 6 million people in concentration camps, mostly Jews. And the minor fact that he did start world war 2 in Europe causing roughly 50 million deaths, mostly civilians.

So, I guess how you judge Hitler depends on what you think about genocide and crime against humanity. Personally, I think that's just about as evil as it is possible to be.
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