First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  Next  Last
Are we taught Hitler was bad because the allies won the war?
14785 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/15/16

lambofgenesis wrote:
"The Holocaust" if it were real at all, was sort of like population control, akin to China's modern methods.

also /troll :D



And for the dimmer, less reading-capable folk who thought the "If" comment was supposed to be serious--

Errol Morris's documentary "Mr. Death" covers how the German Denialist movement uses "the Leuchter Report" as scientific "proof" of their defensive claims that Auschwitz was just a big fake movie set for Jewish propaganda purposes, despite the fact that the study turned out to be the work of an underinformed egotist who botched the scientific research and had little to no experience with prison gas-chambers to begin with, and had only taken on the study out of his desire to be recognized as the world's #1 authority.

Anything Morris is a good rental, but this one's got his style.
7597 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M / Ark-La-Tex
Offline
Posted 1/14/16
Hitler lost a war that he started, making a series of blunders that directly contributed to Germany's defeat, and left Germany in worse shape than when he took over.

Some great leader he was.
7420 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 1/14/16

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

No, we're taught that he was a monster because the allies won the war. We would have been taught that he was a bad person that happened to be a good leader had the Nazis pulled through.

Nobody.

15261 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / UK
Offline
Posted 1/14/16

lambofgenesis wrote:


also /troll :D



Who me?
7420 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 1/14/16

goodman528 wrote:

Or you know, there is the minor fact that he did murder over 6 million people in concentration camps, mostly Jews. And the minor fact that he did start world war 2 in Europe causing roughly 50 million deaths, mostly civilians.

So, I guess how you judge Hitler depends on what you think about genocide and crime against humanity. Personally, I think that's just about as evil as it is possible to be.

It is amazing what history can overlook, or rationalize, if you are the founder of a successful empire.
15947 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
20 / Cold and High
Offline
Posted 1/14/16

goodman528 wrote: Or you know, there is the minor fact that he did murder over 6 million people in concentration camps, mostly Jews. And the minor fact that he did start world war 2 in Europe causing roughly 50 million deaths, mostly civilians.

So, I guess how you judge Hitler depends on what you think about genocide and crime against humanity. Personally, I think that's just about as evil as it is possible to be.
1st It wasn't he who killed them or rather alone on that part... also means he just lead it not did it, but succeded in doing so?

2nd no its not the worst one could be and I think there was many more scientists crazy enough doing some "wild testing on them" that is way BEYOND terriable that you would wish (alot of things) but what good came out of much destruction?

what we have today, advancement in tech, medical (some from those psycho people) but agian they made also something that later on saved lives from many dangers.

but agian I would say its terriable actions and that the outcome still would never be anything "good", and could be gained maybe 200 years down the line anyway.
33510 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / U.S.A.
Offline
Posted 1/14/16

Dariamus wrote:

Nobody.

?
24279 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M
Online
Posted 1/14/16
Yeah he was doing good until he started invading other countries.
Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/15/16
Of course.

1344 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
22 / M
Offline
Posted 1/14/16
Pardon the cliché, but just because the winners write the history books doesn't mean it's so simple to silence the losers. After all, a great deal of the historical profession revolves around finding voices of people silenced by circumstance. Then again, most actual historians discourage counterfactual discussion, so maybe they don't apply here.

Hitler counted on using time to mask his atrocities, but actually doing so is far more complex than it may seem. There's evidence that the U.S. government was aware of the Holocaust, or at least the degree of anti-Semitic persecution, even before the Red Army stumbled across the camps, including a first person account of the Warsaw Ghetto.
6453 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / United States
Offline
Posted 1/14/16
While it is true that the winners of war get to write history the way they see it, I'm pretty sure there is objective evidence that suggests that Hitler was not a good person.
27305 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
39 / Inside your compu...
Online
Posted 1/14/16

Nalaniel wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Where is the textbook that taught Hitler was "bad"?

I thought they just list the stuff he did.

After we read the stuff, we decide.


Are you sure? I read stuff like "His horrendous crimes..." and "Such an inhumane, chauvinistic theory..."


Which textbooks?
27305 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
39 / Inside your compu...
Online
Posted 1/14/16

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Where is the textbook that taught Hitler was "bad"?

I thought they just list the stuff he did.

After we read the stuff, we decide.

Teaching and learning can be done outside of a textbook as well. Imagine how being exposed to the internet and different opinions may affect your view. You could be a person who thought "Hey, he was a good leader who did shitty things.", but see someone talk about how monstrous he is. That could affect your view on the matter in a variety of ways: some people can't admit to having an unpopular opinion, you may just be easily persuaded, etc.

I think the way we look at him would be drastically different had he led Germany to victory. Or maybe he would have started WW3, had they won. We don't know. But it goes without saying that he is more villified than he needs to be. Yes, he made terrible decisions, he killed innocents for no reason other than to 'purify' his country. But, he brought Germany out of a shitty situation in a very short amount of time. Now granted, it ended with Germany in another shitty situation, but it wouldn't have ended that way if his forces had won.

Idk. I think he was a great leader who was just too ambitious. There's no doubt people in power today that are like him in many ways, but they're smart enough to not act like he did. Putting the morals of the person alongside of their accomplishments is just stupid, in my opinion.


That could be said of the entirety of the Internet, which contains all sorts of stuff- nonsense included. The non-argument can go either way.
17692 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
18 / F / Croatia
Offline
Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16

nanikore2 wrote:


Nalaniel wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Where is the textbook that taught Hitler was "bad"?

I thought they just list the stuff he did.

After we read the stuff, we decide.


Are you sure? I read stuff like "His horrendous crimes..." and "Such an inhumane, chauvinistic theory..."


Which textbooks?


Croatian history books for high school. Might not apply to the educational system of the US.
8701 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M / Definitely not EU
Offline
Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16

Ejanss wrote:

So, he "only wanted peace", but they "forced him into war"...Yeahhhh, I DO recall him mentioning that on the subject a couple of times.


Yeah, what makes that so hard to believe? If something like that happened today with one of our allied countries or our own, do you really think we'd all sit by and do nothing?


Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:

Human experimentation and genocide... not a good role model


uhh human experiments? lol.


goodman528 wrote:

Or you know, there is the minor fact that he did murder over 6 million people in concentration camps, mostly Jews. And the minor fact that he did start world war 2 in Europe causing roughly 50 million deaths, mostly civilians.


It seems you only read the title and then posted. He wasn't the cause of all that.


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Hitler lost a war that he started, making a series of blunders that directly contributed to Germany's defeat, and left Germany in worse shape than when he took over.

Some great leader he was.


The west started the war, not Hitler.


lilliputianliar wrote:

While it is true that the winners of war get to write history the way they see it, I'm pretty sure there is objective evidence that suggests that Hitler was not a good person.


Even with the Atomic Bombing on Japan, people are brainwashed into thinking this was a 'necessary evil'. Hitler invading Poland to reclaim his people isn't viewed the same way? Why is it we apparently have all this evidence that suggest he's evil, yet evidence of the rapes of thousands of German women and civilians killed by both the Allied and Russians are swept under the rug? Because it's just much easier to scream 'but muh 6 million jews' and everything else becomes unimportant.
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.