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Are we taught Hitler was bad because the allies won the war?
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Croatian history books for high school. Might not apply to the educational system of the US.


I see.

I do consider Hitler evil, however. He displayed zero empathy in the killings of millions (itself a display of psychopathy). There are many other ways to go about ridding people he didn't consider worthy of German citizenship.
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nanikore2 wrote:

That could be said of the entirety of the Internet, which contains all sorts of stuff- nonsense included. The non-argument can go either way.

Lol. That's the point I was trying to make; a lot of people's opinion on Hitler is based off of what they were told/heard and not through critical thinking and assessment.
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Hmmm....this thread was reported to the moderators.

It is difficult to speak in a neutral manner about Hitler, the Third Reich, and the Holocaust, because when doing so, you will be met with people who will use Godwin's Law, among other problems. An attempt to maintain a neutral stance about these things can lead to the acquisition of what I call "dangerous knowledge", which for now is only dangerous because it results in severe character assassination.

As for the inquiry "Are we taught Hitler was bad because the Allies won the war?"....well, consider that history is written by the victor of war. The winners of war are the authors of history. The Third Reich, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan were part of the Axis Powers, who were the enemy of the Allies during the last Great War. Being as they were our enemy, of course there's going to be bias here and there in the narrative.
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nanikore2 wrote:

That could be said of the entirety of the Internet, which contains all sorts of stuff- nonsense included. The non-argument can go either way.

Lol. That's the point I was trying to make; a lot of people's opinion on Hitler is based off of what they were told/heard and not through critical thinking and assessment.


Some people just wouldn't accept anything as "bad" or "evil" because of their supposed critical thinking.

Even the meta-non-argument goes both ways. People want to think a certain way, and they would think up whatever justification and argument to keep thinking that way. (Not arguing anything, just an observation)
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Because it's just much easier to scream 'but muh 6 million jews' and everything else becomes unimportant.


Yeah, I mean, if it was just 5,999,999 you'd think we were blowing up a big deal out of it!
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Or you know, there is the minor fact that he did murder over 6 million people in concentration camps, mostly Jews. And the minor fact that he did start world war 2 in Europe causing roughly 50 million deaths, mostly civilians.

So, I guess how you judge Hitler depends on what you think about genocide and crime against humanity. Personally, I think that's just about as evil as it is possible to be.

It is amazing what history can overlook, or rationalize, if you are the founder of a successful empire.


History hasn't overlooked it. It is in school text books at least here in the UK. But you are right, many years after the fact, people begin to forget and believe whatever they want to believe about the past. It is somewhat shocking for example how there is a revival of Nazism in central and eastern Europe today. I guess we just have to remind people about some simple facts that can not denied about atrocities that happened in the past, like the holocaust. As all of the war memorials say "Lest we forget."



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goodman528 wrote: Or you know, there is the minor fact that he did murder over 6 million people in concentration camps, mostly Jews. And the minor fact that he did start world war 2 in Europe causing roughly 50 million deaths, mostly civilians.

So, I guess how you judge Hitler depends on what you think about genocide and crime against humanity. Personally, I think that's just about as evil as it is possible to be.
1st It wasn't he who killed them or rather alone on that part... also means he just lead it not did it, but succeded in doing so?

2nd no its not the worst one could be and I think there was many more scientists crazy enough doing some "wild testing on them" that is way BEYOND terriable that you would wish (alot of things) but what good came out of much destruction?

what we have today, advancement in tech, medical (some from those psycho people) but agian they made also something that later on saved lives from many dangers.

but agian I would say its terriable actions and that the outcome still would never be anything "good", and could be gained maybe 200 years down the line anyway.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Just read it for yourself. As the leader of the Reich he was responsible for that. He knew exactly what he wanted to do, and he implemented this genocide with ruthless efficiency. Do you know why the Nazis used gas chambers? It's because shooting people en-mass with machine guns was not fast enough. And that is a fact.

There is a reason why holocaust denial is crime in many parts of Europe. Lest we forget how terrible an atrocity it was.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Hitler lost a war that he started, making a series of blunders that directly contributed to Germany's defeat, and left Germany in worse shape than when he took over.

Some great leader he was.


The west started the war, not Hitler.



Even if that were true, it does not offset all of Hitler's massive failures. The notion that he was a great leader remains absurd.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

That could be said of the entirety of the Internet, which contains all sorts of stuff- nonsense included. The non-argument can go either way.

Lol. That's the point I was trying to make; a lot of people's opinion on Hitler is based off of what they were told/heard and not through critical thinking and assessment.


Some people just wouldn't accept anything as "bad" or "evil" because of their supposed critical thinking.

Even the meta-non-argument goes both ways. People want to think a certain way, and they would think up whatever justification and argument to keep thinking that way. (Not arguing anything, just an observation)

Even so, going both ways, every opinion is valid. I was just answering your question in the beginning implying that it was not being 'taught' that Hitler is the most evil scum that ever existed in the history of time.
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Hm.

He also unjustifiably committed genocide.

J/s.

I might be wrong though

There are people who believe the Holocaust didn't happen.

It probably didn't happen

Most probably didn't happen

Fucking American propaganda fucking americans and uk people making up shit about hitler our lord and savior


Enjoy your gender-swapped Hitler



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goodman528 wrote:
Just read it for yourself. As the leader of the Reich he was responsible for that. He knew exactly what he wanted to do, and he implemented this genocide with ruthless efficiency. Do you know why the Nazis used gas chambers? It's because shooting people en-mass with machine guns was not fast enough. And that is a fact.

There is a reason why holocaust denial is crime in many parts of Europe. Lest we forget how terrible an atrocity it was.
and?..what this got to do with me? -__-

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No.
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Hmmm....this thread was reported to the moderators.


As for the inquiry "Are we taught Hitler was bad because the Allies won the war?"....well, consider that history is written by the victor of war. The winners of war are the authors of history. The Third Reich, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan were part of the Axis Powers, who were the enemy of the Allies during the last Great War. Being as they were our enemy, of course there's going to be bias here and there in the narrative.


So basically you want to silence this thread like how the Allied Forces silenced the good things Nazi Germany accomplished?

People deserve the right to be given both sides of the story and use their own brains to decide for themselves "who was bad" "who was good" and issues of morality pertaining to such.

No one in the world is black and white / good and evil 100%. Thieves steal but their motivations may be equally compelling, aka sick family members or wanting a better life rather than being constantly in fear of being murdered. The same goes for those people who have sex with babies -- they were most likely molested themselves.

I believe this thread gives a chance for people to see the other side of Nazi Germany.

https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule89

It's against military law to kill civilians. The US bombed two civilian cities where no Japanese military were being housed, killing mostly civilians. In fact it was our intention to do so. Of course this fact is overlooked because "we won the war". So America isn't 100% good either.

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Gross1985 wrote:

Hmmm....this thread was reported to the moderators.


As for the inquiry "Are we taught Hitler was bad because the Allies won the war?"....well, consider that history is written by the victor of war. The winners of war are the authors of history. The Third Reich, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan were part of the Axis Powers, who were the enemy of the Allies during the last Great War. Being as they were our enemy, of course there's going to be bias here and there in the narrative.


So basically you want to silence this thread like how the Allied Forces silenced the good things Nazi Germany accomplished?

No. Where did you get the notion that I want this thread silenced? I didn't report the thread; someone else did, and I just commented on it.
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lambofgenesis wrote:

Hm.

He also unjustifiably committed genocide.

J/s.

I might be wrong though

There are people who believe the Holocaust didn't happen.

It probably didn't happen

Most probably didn't happen

Fucking American propaganda fucking americans and uk people making up shit about hitler our lord and savior


Enjoy your gender-swapped Hitler





But Hitler isn't 13 or a loli. Do u have a pic of him/her being 40?
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lambofgenesis wrote:


Gross1985 wrote:

Hmmm....this thread was reported to the moderators.


As for the inquiry "Are we taught Hitler was bad because the Allies won the war?"....well, consider that history is written by the victor of war. The winners of war are the authors of history. The Third Reich, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan were part of the Axis Powers, who were the enemy of the Allies during the last Great War. Being as they were our enemy, of course there's going to be bias here and there in the narrative.


So basically you want to silence this thread like how the Allied Forces silenced the good things Nazi Germany accomplished?

No. Where did you get the notion that I want this thread silenced? I didn't report the thread; someone else did, and I just commented on it.


Oh sorry. Whoever did that probably didn't read the thread. Dante's OP wasn't glorifying Hitler or saying "[email protected] da J3W$ r [email protected]". He presented a well-written neutral list of Hitler's accomplishments without favoring Hitler
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