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Are we taught Hitler was bad because the allies won the war?
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
Even so, going both ways, every opinion is valid. I was just answering your question in the beginning implying that it was not being 'taught' that Hitler is the most evil scum that ever existed in the history of time.


I'm not so hot for universal relativism. It depends on what this "opinion" is.
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lambofgenesis wrote:

But Hitler isn't 13 or a loli. Do u have a pic of him/her being 40? :D

I think your perception of a loli is a little askew. O.o.
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Oh sorry. Whoever did that probably didn't read the thread. Dante's OP wasn't glorifying Hitler or saying "[email protected] da J3W$ r [email protected]". He presented a well-written neutral list of Hitler's accomplishments without favoring Hitler

Whatever the case, your response to my previous post proves my point about problems when attempting to engage in neutral discussions about Hitler, the Third Reich, and the Holocaust. What do they call it? Ad hominem? I don't know for sure, since I don't know my proper debate vocabulary, but people are quick to make assumptions when it comes to these debates.

Nothing personal against you. I was just pointing out an example of troubles to be expected.
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nanikore2 wrote:

It depends on what this "opinion" is.

Despite your own moral code, his/her opinion has the same amount of worth as yours.
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lambofgenesis wrote:



But Hitler isn't 13 or a loli. Do u have a pic of him/her being 40? :D


You may have to cover one eye but


To be fair, he did have his soft spots.

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The man was probably the best speech giver of that time, no amount of hatred towards the man will change that.
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Freddy96NO wrote:

Well.. he would be seen in a bad light anyway..
and some of that^ thanks.

He was really smart in some ways, but you know how that goes... INSANE XP


lol i'm sorry i got confused by your comment. were you thanking hilter for his accomplishments or were you agreeing with the post above yours?
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It pains me to see that someone reported this thread to the moderators. I see no harm in discussing the matter.

Personally, I think he was a very smart man, that did really well for his own people.

On the other hand, I found his thoughts and opinions very troubling and extreme. I think people like that are the most dangerous.
Like I said, he was an extremist and he was good at it. The genocide, all he's done wrong to the people he used as a scapegoat, bad stuff.

He deserved to be killed for 80% of the things he's done, but he was a smart man.
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1934, was the year Adolf Hitler lead Germany. Before this time, the German people were still suffering from the first World War. Suicide rates were high, there was a great depression, many were out of jobs, and the country was in shambles. Following the next few years however, in just 5 years he would go on to turn Germany into one of the most powerful nations the world had ever seen. Some of the things he done were as follows;

● He unified the German people and helped them regain their sense of pride
● Stabilized the German economy and eliminated foreign debt
● He instituted the standardized work schedule (40 hours a week, and extra pay for overtime)
● The German train system and a standardized measurement for rail cars
● Encouraged the development of the Volkswagen
● Instituted the Kindergarten system
● Encouraged the development of jet aircraft, and rocket development
● Banned Jewish methods of animal slaughter, and created animal rights laws that modern countries follow today.

So why is it, that what seems like a great leader, grew to become one of, or just straight up the most evil person in history? Is it because we're told this and 'History is written by the victors'. Or are we lead to believe he is evil because of the '6 million Jews' in concentration camps, although there is no documented evidence whatsoever to suggest that many were killed. Along with forensic, engineers and more have even confirmed there was no gas chambers (Survivors of the holocaust - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVmIaBW-HjI). When Hitler also come into power, he abolished any Jewish controlled banks / media in Germany, as he believed their propaganda is what caused them to be in the first World War.

1938, a year before WWII started, in Czechoslovakia a country created by the allies in 1919 populated by Czechs, Germans, Hungarians, Ukrainians, violence against the Germans here were on the rise. They cried out for help. The president of this country however, Edvard Benes instead imposed Martial Law on the German provinces. Leaving Hitler furious demanding their return. He again, extended this offer, until September of that year Hitler announced they can either let the Germans have their freedom, or Germany will invade and come get it themselves. And so Czechoslovakia did, and war was avoided.

1939, the year WWII began. Problems rose in Poland over access to the German territories East Prussia and Danzig. On Several occasions, Hitler presented proposals to resolve these things, but Poland refused to have any serious discussion. And just like in Czechoslovakia, concerns for the German people in East Prussia and Danzig were a concern for Hitler, as they were completely cut off from Germany. Just before the war, there were estimated over 80,000 Germans in refugee camps. They were a minority in Poland and treated like trash. Was Hitler to sit by and do nothing, or attack Poland to save his people, but knowing the British and French(lol) would get involved?

And this is how World War II started.

Hitler's Speech to the West - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLyKSYRqXM

And you can also watch this, it's very long so maybe don't do it in one go. But it explains a lot in detail and accurately, the history of the Jews, and almost everything about Hitler - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssCkc8t9sho


HOLY FUCKING SHIT DUDE!

You reached Holocaust denialism.
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Hitler led a huge fucking genocide. that, first and foremost is gonna be what people remember, the fact that he literally killed millions of Jews… not to mention the survivors of his tirade were left stricken with trauma, scars, and awful memories. I mean, aside from what he "did" to "help" anyone economically at the time, nobody can brush his evils under the rug. He led a tirade against a group of people he thought to be "inferior" and killed millions of them, the casualties likely outweigh the people he allegedly "helped", by a fair number. The man was a fuckin' whackjob before he even rose to power, and should have honesty never rose to power in the first place.
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oneouts123 wrote:
were you thanking hilter for his accomplishments
why would I do that?

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goodman528 wrote:

History hasn't overlooked it. It is in school text books at least here in the UK. But you are right, many years after the fact, people begin to forget and believe whatever they want to believe about the past. It is somewhat shocking for example how there is a revival of Nazism in central and eastern Europe today. I guess we just have to remind people about some simple facts that can not denied about atrocities that happened in the past, like the holocaust. As all of the war memorials say "Lest we forget.".


History has not forgiven Hitler, but it has forgiven other, more successful empire builders.

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Too bad they didn't ban jewish slaughter...the elephant in the room.

What matters is that jewish people were targeted by hitler and that's why they were killed. The jews tried to flee but were denied asylum from many countries and of course they died when they were sent back.
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megahobbit wrote:

muh six million jews


Isn't it strange that the term 'six million Jews' was repeated over and over again leading up to WWII, before any 'holocaust' even happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk


FlyinDumpling wrote:

Too bad they didn't ban jewish slaughter...the elephant in the room.


Hitler did ban it, as I stated in my post, he was also the one that created animal rights laws that we follow today.
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