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Posted 1/14/16
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Short version is that US Sailors drifted into Iranian waters on accident, were taken in and then released.

As someone who's actually spent time on ship, and had close encounters with Iranian warships, I think Iran responded in a wonderful way to the US Sailors. I actually have more hope for humanity and relations with Iran, at this point.

A few things that irritate me about the reporting, though. It's like they WANT to paint Iran into bad guys.

First, the comment on the sailor's apology and saying "we do not know if it was made under duress." No, but if you don't know if it was or was not, why even mention it unless you're trying to pump more drama into it than necessary?

Then, they went on to say that Iran had the US Sailors on their knees at gun-point.... and that this was an overreaction.

Again, as someone who's been in the US military, NO, it is not an over reaction. Also, define "gun-point." Having a gun on your person, while keeping the questionable foreign military members on their knees for security is NOT an overreaction. This is how things are handled.... even by the US. Until you figure out the situation, you keep the situation as secure as possible. Iran did absolutely nothing wrong.

Also, what record speed on the release. It begs the question: If the situation was reversed, would the US release as fast? I'm not quite so sure.

Kudos to Iran, Sorry that the news is being assholes about it, though. Glad to see a more peaceful relationship developing, here.
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A speedy release is always a good thing.
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Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16
Given that Iran is seeking to further improve its relations with the US and other countries (be it selfish reasons or not) this doesn't surprise me. As you said, this isn't an overreaction on their part. The media likes to have a field day though with this sort of thing. Especially for certain countries that are "enemies."


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A speedy release is always a good thing.

Posted 1/14/16

dotsforlife wrote:

Given that Iran is seeking to further improve its relations with the US and other countries (be it selfish reasons or not) this doesn't surprise me. As you said, this isn't an overreaction on their part. The media likes to have a field day though with this sort of thing. Especially for certain countries that are "enemies."


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

A speedy release is always a good thing.





Well, as long as gun point didn't mean "touching the head" I have little problem of it, though I confess my lack of knowledge on Iran-US relations.
Posted 1/14/16
Well, Iran has more respect from me then. I expect something worst from them. Glad to see they use their heads.
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Posted 1/14/16
I didn't even dive into this story before I went on my rants against reporters.
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I'm glad everyone was very diplomatic about it.

The comments left on the Fox News Facebook page though...
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Well it's good they resolved it as fast as they did.
Last thing Iran needs is the USA on their ass, especially since they have ISIS knocking on their door.
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This was pretty much a best-case resolution.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:First, the comment on the sailor's apology and saying "we do not know if it was made under duress." No, but if you don't know if it was or was not, why even mention it unless you're trying to pump more drama into it than necessary?


Because if it happens 9 times out of 10, we expect it to happen 10 times out of 10...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJPs4quNDuI
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

A few things that irritate me about the reporting, though. It's like they WANT to paint Iran into bad guys.


What do you expect from Jewish media. The only two countries that seem to have a problem with Iran is the US and Israel.
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Because if it happens 9 times out of 10, we expect it to happen 10 times out of 10...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJPs4quNDuI


Because it makes so much sense to threaten them to make them apologize, and then release them the next day without any demands. Give me a break.
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Well, how else could it end? Iran vs the United States of America would end badly. Iran already made a good deal and to break it would probably end in war. The United States can and will invoke NATO again and Iran would be screwed from having no allies. Iran knows this, they saw from 9/11 the United States would invoke NATO. Iran is already having a power struggle with Saudi Arabia over Yemen, Syria, an Imam that Saudi Arabia executed, etc. It can not afford more conflict with the United States. Israel would probably be all to happy for another fight as long as Netanyahu is around.

I'm not exactly sure how the Americans got captured though, the apparently went into Iranian waters, but why? Was it a secret mission or the much more likely instance of stupidity?
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chinesedoodle wrote:

Well, how else could it end? Iran vs the United States of America would end badly. Iran already made a good deal and to break it would probably end in war. The United States can and will invoke NATO again and Iran would be screwed from having no allies. Iran knows this, they saw from 9/11 the United States would invoke NATO. Iran is already having a power struggle with Saudi Arabia over Yemen, Syria, an Imam that Saudi Arabia executed, etc. It can not afford more conflict with the United States. Israel would probably be all to happy for another fight as long as Netanyahu is around.

I'm not exactly sure how the Americans got captured though, the apparently went into Iranian waters, but why? Was it a secret mission or the much more likely instance of stupidity?


Both sides could have made it much more dramatic. In the end the soldiers would be released but in the past this has taken days or weeks, while both sides used it as an opportunity to ramp up aggressive rhetoric. It is a sign that we can be diplomatic with Iran, and that is a good thing.

I'm pretty sure they drifted into Iran's territorial waters due to mechanical trouble. No secret missions or outrageous stupidity. It's not that dramatic. These things happen. The only thing noteworthy is that the entire event was handled so well.
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Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16
Regardless, the sailor who was in the video apologizing is in deep trouble.
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