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Posted 1/21/16

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Pretty much agree with this ^ , the reason you notice in the other series is because they're on foot between people instead of in mecha. Not to mention it wouldn't add anything since for me the main appeal of Gundam is the topics/themes it tackles (Seed: genetic manipulation; 00: trying to force peace; IBO: human rights).
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xCrimsonEX wrote:


turbotails23 wrote:


Pretty much agree with this ^ , the reason you notice in the other series is because they're on foot between people instead of in mecha. Not to mention it wouldn't add anything since for me the main appeal of Gundam is the topics/themes it tackles (Seed: genetic manipulation; 00: trying to force peace; IBO: human rights).

I completely agree. Violence is not the point of Gundam. Violence is only a tool in the story of Gundam. The tradgedies of war, the unjust treatment of a group of people during peace and terms of that peace, the loss of inocense, the question of whether everyone is always a good guy in a war, the recognition that not all soldiers for the enemy are evil. All of these themes are explored in Gundam series some throughout multiple series others the key theme of a series. While I am behind on much of my Gundam (I"m not shelling out fifty dollars for a one episode blurey) violence has never been the key to Gundam. It is a tool and a tool only. It must be there. Gore however is not required.
That scene is not about the gore and hyper violence it simply tells the fate of the pilot through the proper amount of reserve.
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Posted 1/22/16 , edited 1/22/16

aspetty wrote:

...proper amount of reserve.


Sadly in multiple areas I think this is something being lost and being replaced with shock and edge, in a sense people so de-sensetized they feel the need to take things another step further (violence becomes ultra-violent violence/gore-fest; implied sex becomes full blown sex scenes; panty shots here and there becomes complete sections of nudity; suggested rape becomes actual depicted rape).
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Posted 1/22/16

xCrimsonEX wrote:


aspetty wrote:

...proper amount of reserve.


Sadly in multiple areas I think this is something being lost and being replaced with shock and edge, in a sense people so de-sensetized they feel the need to take things another step further (violence becomes ultra-violent violence/gore-fest; implied sex becomes full blown sex scenes; suggested rape becomes actual depicted rape).


I think there is a time and a place for all of that in film, anime, television, comics, literature, and almost all media to be fair. However it depends on the story being told. It worked for Elfen Lied, though I think the best description of my feelings for this show comes from Arkada's review of the sereis, however it would not work for others. It just depends on the story being told. Gundam it would be a turn off to me. Pulp Fiction, well there you have my favorite movie of all time. The story and message dictates the level of reserve that is needed.
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Posted 1/23/16 , edited 1/23/16
It wouldn't be any better than a typical Hollywood action film. If Gundam were to be super duper violent, then it would go against sci-fi principles or become a disgrace to space opera. Gundam shows like other space opera or science fiction stories are about concepts, not mindless violence. There's more to this series than spaceships, lasers or explosions (I still can't understand why some space opera anime have pink explosions while non-anime space opera like Titan A.E. has none).
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so far ive only started with Iron Blooded Orphands and im quite suprised at how some characters just get shot in the head with no hesitation. It's actually a really mature series!
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amifaingold wrote:

so far ive only started with Iron Blooded Orphands and im quite suprised at how some characters just get shot in the head with no hesitation. It's actually a really mature series!


Yeah, the older series were like that a lot actually. Around SEED some of it seemed to start getting toned down.
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Sephigi wrote:

It wouldn't be any better than a typical Hollywood action film. If Gundam were to be super duper violent, then it would go against sci-fi principles or become a disgrace to space opera. Gundam shows like other space opera or science fiction stories are about concepts, not mindless violence. There's more to this series than spaceships, lasers or explosions (I still can't understand why some space opera anime have pink explosions while non-anime space opera like Titan A.E. has none).


Exactly man. I may argue there are times and places for it in Space Opera's and Sci Fi. The Novel Star Ship Troopers is a prime example in my mind. While there are very few violent moments when they happen they are quite unnerving and I think that a film that was more true to the book would need to show that, but in the end as a vast majority I couldn't agree more.
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Posted 1/28/16 , edited 1/28/16

aspetty wrote:


amifaingold wrote:

so far ive only started with Iron Blooded Orphands and im quite suprised at how some characters just get shot in the head with no hesitation. It's actually a really mature series!


Yeah, the older series were like that a lot actually. Around SEED some of it seemed to start getting toned down.


SEED and 00 were, compared to the previous Gundam series, pretty damn violent and dark.


aspetty wrote:While I like Elfen Lied, for very very bizarre reasons, It is violence for the sake of violence.


the violence in Elfen Lied is meant to emphasize man's inhumanity to man

Maybe Gundam can start off by being Neill Blomkamp (i.e. District 9 amd Elysium) levels of violent and then it can get more and reach to Elfen Lied, Gantz and Hellsing levels
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Maybe Gundam can start off by being Neill Blomkamp (i.e. District 9 amd Elysium) levels of violent and then it can get more and reach to Elfen Lied, Gantz and Hellsing levels


I really don't think it would be that good at that level of violence. Blomkamp is fine and works for me in that particular series setting. I guess it's just not even working there but the appropriate levels of it there. If for example they had a moment that was like Normandy beach then those levels may be needed. Gundam is always going to be, especially in the UC universe, a horrors of war story to me. I think to Saving Private Ryan and the moments on Normandy and violence of that scene. A moment like that is where I could see it being used properly for a Gundam series. Those moments of wars horrible truth.
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