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I don't mind paying $50-80 or so for a blu-ray set of something, but $200+ is ridiculous. Kinda makes me glad I'm a CR member... lol
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Aniplex has frightening prices, though for one series that I really like I'm contemplating on buying from them. If they would half their prices, I would have bought a few from them already. I know I can watch most shows online, but I'm also like collecting things.
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Mugami wrote:

I don't mind paying $50-80 or so for a blu-ray set of something, but $200+ is ridiculous. Kinda makes me glad I'm a CR member... lol


the quality of blu-rays is vastly superior to any form of streaming thou
but i agree that $200+ for a series is quite overpriced, especially when blurays from regular shows cost a tiny fraction of that price
as a comparison, one season of Friends (~25 episodes or so) in bluray only cost $10
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High price is one of the reasons, the other and main reason for me as a collector is that some animes are

not available on DVD outside of Japan.

And those who are are way behind, One Piece is a prime example, the anime has hit the 700 episodes, The dvds are entering

the 400s, with episode 372 coming as part as collection 15 in March 2016.

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*cough cough* Torrent...

Of course even if I torrent something I might buy the DVDs later when they decide to lower the price to something more reasonable.
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Glytchy wrote:

On the plus side... those that have the money, and want to support the creators, will probably buy this. And yeah, it seems Aniplex are the only company doing this kind of pricing, and I think it's because they know there are niche collectors that will buy this and make them their money back, probably. Still kinda sucks for casual/poorer fans though. Oh well. At least we've got Funimation's hella cheap sets.


Funimation is great with sets. Of course, they get more titles than Aniplex does and they have their own dub cast, so things will be cheaper since they have the revenue to do so. Aniplex doesn't, so they probably charge so much just to make ends meet or pay the professional voice actors. Either that or license new titles.
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namealreadytaken [link url="/forumtopic-935997/is-having-a-high-price-on-anime-dvd-promoting-pirating?fpid=52856233"
as a comparison, one season of Friends (~25 episodes or so) in bluray only cost $10


I don't think you can really compare the price of a new release to a sitcom that's been off the air for over a decade. >.>

A new release of a recently aired TV show on blu-ray can sit at the $70-90 range depending on special features, etc. That said if you're dropping $70 on the latest season of Game of Thrones or what have you, you're getting over twice the runtime of this lunacy for half the price still. So I have no idea wtf is going on at Aniplex.

There's no way a soundtrack and a blooper reel are worth another $90. There certainly isn't any "collector" content here either. No offense to the English cast but their audio commentary isn't exactly going to provide any insight into the show. Nor are episode commentaries some sort of rarity these days. Any given Funi title will have audio commentary, etc. For a third of the cost of whatever is going on here.
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Aniplex releases are expensive because the japanese branch twists their arm so that they follow their business procedure. It's mostly to prevent reverse imports. It's the same reason why Funimation only releases One Piece seasons on DVD.

And while 200$ for a whole series really sucks, this is the streaming era. Nowadays, anime collectors might rather save a lot of money so that they can get fancy boxsets than paying cheap just for the box and the discs.
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JuJu26 wrote:
Funimation is great with sets. Of course, they get more titles than Aniplex does and they have their own dub cast, so things will be cheaper since they have the revenue to do so. Aniplex doesn't, so they probably charge so much just to make ends meet or pay the professional voice actors. Either that or license new titles.


Aniplex straight up holds open auditions at cons for dub roles. So no, the money isn't going into pricey professional voice actors. I don't think English voice over actors are exactly lavishly paid to begin with. Never mind some teenagers they picked up at a con.

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JuJu26 wrote:


Glytchy wrote:

On the plus side... those that have the money, and want to support the creators, will probably buy this. And yeah, it seems Aniplex are the only company doing this kind of pricing, and I think it's because they know there are niche collectors that will buy this and make them their money back, probably. Still kinda sucks for casual/poorer fans though. Oh well. At least we've got Funimation's hella cheap sets.


Funimation is great with sets. Of course, they get more titles than Aniplex does and they have their own dub cast, so things will be cheaper since they have the revenue to do so. Aniplex doesn't, so they probably charge so much just to make ends meet or pay the professional voice actors. Either that or license new titles.


Heck yah I found the first season of D-grey man for 29 bucks!


.and Anpipex prices are crazy high due to Le stuff and get them out as quicky as there Japanese counterparts.
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Le_Dom wrote:
Aniplex releases are expensive because the japanese branch twists their arm so that they follow their business methods. It's mostly to prevent reverse imports. It's the same reason why Funimation only releases One Piece seasons on DVD.


That actually makes it even more dickish, frankly. >.>

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JuJu26 wrote:
Funimation is great with sets. Of course, they get more titles than Aniplex does and they have their own dub cast, so things will be cheaper since they have the revenue to do so. Aniplex doesn't, so they probably charge so much just to make ends meet or pay the professional voice actors. Either that or license new titles.


Aniplex straight up holds open auditions at cons for dub roles. So no, the money isn't going into pricey professional voice actors.



You do realize those are just for fun right? To give fans an idea of what an audition feels like.

They won't hire people with zero acting experience.
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runec wrote:


JuJu26 wrote:
Funimation is great with sets. Of course, they get more titles than Aniplex does and they have their own dub cast, so things will be cheaper since they have the revenue to do so. Aniplex doesn't, so they probably charge so much just to make ends meet or pay the professional voice actors. Either that or license new titles.


Aniplex straight up holds open auditions at cons for dub roles. So no, the money isn't going into pricey professional voice actors. I don't think English voice over actors are exactly lavishly paid to begin with. Never mind some teenagers they picked up at a con.



Okay, then going with ends meet or licensing. Something HAS to cost a lot in order for them to charge a lot.
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I don't buy dvd's unless it is something I really really love, even then I wait 2-3 years for the price to go down lol. No need to pirate just wait until it comes to somewhere... You don't have to watch a certain show right when it is available you know.... Crunchy for me is the best place, then the few I really really like from here or funi, I buy.
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Streaming frequently offers access to titles whose hard copies have been priced through the ceiling, but if a legitimate stream for a particular title doesn't exist then I'd say it's not a stretch to imagine that those titles have probably been priced into piracy to at least some degree. If entry through the gate of a concert hall costs $200 but there's a lovely hill just a bit down the way from which you can hear and see everything you can bet people are going to be wondering why they should go through the gate. In an age where anime can cost $200 per 22 episodes despite being neither rivalrous nor excludable anymore you can bet people are going to wonder why they shouldn't just watch on an illegitimate stream instead of buying a hard copy.

Honestly, I understand why hard copies came to cost as much as they do. There was a time when private video collections were unheard of, a rarity reserved essentially for dedicated film and television buffs who were willing to shell out the same prices that rental services were being charged in order to have their very own copy instead of a rental copy. Since rental services specifically exist to extract money from their purchases it made sense to set the price of copies relatively high compared to what would've been appropriate for buyers who were just in it to keep and enjoy copies privately. Since such collectors weren't really common enough to be worth opening a separate market and establishing a separate set of prices at the time it made sense to just charge them the same amount as rental services.

This is not the nature of the market anymore, and it's my opinion that hard copies from certain producers/distributors are due for a price adjustment to reflect that change. Private video collections are not at all uncommon, and there is an abundance of private collectors for films and television shows of all kinds. There is no reason to continue accepting prices for anime as though collectors were still just the odd person here and there who is just asking to sit at the table with rental services, because that's not what we are anymore. The problem seems to be that enough people among collectors are willing to continue to shell out that rental service price that there's no incentive for certain producers/distributors to adjust it. The rest of us are just left to stand agape at the next big thing's price and hope to God that it's available on a stream or becomes reasonably cheap enough to buy as a secondhand hard copy so we can see it at all.

Even assuming someone isn't driven to piracy by all of this the situation is still less than ideal, both for anime as an art form and for collecting as a hobby. Streams, for all the good they've done (and it's really quite a lot, they're integral to the solution), eventually go away. Once a stream is gone you have to hope that you can either find another stream or a hard copy. Eventually most things will stop streaming altogether, so hard copies will be one's only hope to see something if they're unwilling to pirate. Shutting people out because they're unwilling or unable to drop a car payment on a television show when it's new or weren't around in time to avoid the price gouging that comes with scarcity as things get older cheats us of the opportunity to enjoy the full richness of anime and to share that richness with others. It limits the ability of anime to grow, adapt, and have a lasting cultural impact. Finally, it makes archiving everything that's produced just that much more difficult. This problem is worsened by the fact that works can end up trapped in Limbo, and although there have been successful campaigns to rescue some of these from obscurity there's simply no way to crowd fund every anime work into perpetual availability. Those high prices do a lot more damage than driving people to piracy in my estimation, and they really don't have any justifiable reason to be that high in the first place since the nature of the market has fundamentally changed.
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