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Science is boring, I don't blame them.
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I think if society was a neutral place to live in, there would probably be more females into science, and more males into sewing etc.

The problem is there are always gender roles being socially conditioned into kids from an early age. Some people go against it, some just go along with it, most of us are no different from sheep, hence why majority are religious. They may not be inclined to it, but when they are taught that girls cook and sew and look after kids, then they start to believe that they must do those things/enjoy those things; the same goes for males... they must play the roles of being male, which is play football, watch sports etc.
Another issue is that society labels certain things as female or male... like fixing things and mowing the lawn are obviously a male job, while doing housework is a female job.

Women at my old workplace always expect me to fix computer issues simply because I'm "male", even though I am adverse to fixing things. Then they gave you this look that make you feel like half a man if you can't fix it, but I didn't care, lol. I don't like fixing things, and that's that. If I enjoyed fixing things I would become a repairman.
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This topic is false. Women do like science.
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No, it won't. It won't change anything. It will mean, however, that these women are badasses.
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I've heard that this is a thing, but as a Math major, I always felt like the M/F ratio was pretty even. That said, I haven't taken a whole lot of STEM classes outside of Math, with the possible exception of neuroscience, which has a lot of overlap in Psychology. But to be fair, pure math is pretty 'pie-in-the-sky' compared to the more applied parts of STEM. We mostly do a lot of thinking in Math -- not much in the way of lab work, experiments, projects, etc., which is maybe why the stereo-typically Male-centric STEM theory doesn't hold? But interestingly (I've actually seen data on this), at least in undergrad Math, test scores across genders are usually a bit skewed towards females, which is weird, because Grad School in Math actually is a but more male-populated (though not by much).

This is kind of interesting to think about though. I have only guesses here (I have no idea what all those females actually ended up doing after school), but perhaps most of them (as the stereotype goes) were in it to be teachers, and the type of people that want to be teachers are also the type to work fastidiously, and therefore earn higher marks in a subject that is, famously, almost completely dependent on fastidiousness? So, we end up with the general trend that females are likely score a bit better in Math undergrad, but Males are more likely to study high-level Math rather than Math-For-Teaching? I don't know. It's always interesting to me from a cultural perspective, because it seems as though females aren't inherently worse at Math than Males, but nonetheless choose not to study it for Grad School.
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Isn't that mostly about engineering?

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loveassassin13 wrote:

Looking at it from a more general point of view, sometimes the reason is nothing more than how some people find certain things boring. Maybe there are just more women who don't find STEM fields particularly entertaining or fulfilling and it's as simple as that. I was studying Computer Science and have been working in that field for the past 4 years, only to learn I despise it and switch over into studying art. People have different tastes, so maybe more women than men just don't take a liking to STEM fields. Nothing wrong with that, everyone has different tastes.



Individual preferences usually have explanations though. If I were to look hard enough on my past, I'd probably find reasons and influences that led me to like the things I like. And so, when a lot of members in an specific group (be it gender, race, generation, nationality) have similar individual preferences, then there are probably historical, cultural, sociological, political and even economic (mass scale influences) reason for these trends.
In the case of STEM, it has been documented that some fields within STEM have a lot more guy than girls, and so a lot of speculation and research has gone into finding out why that is.
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Huh? A better topic is... why do people still believe in religion? An evil, outdated set of laws from a fairy tale.
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Evolutionary study is how yesterday led to today--not how today yields tomorrow. Many unfortunately abuse it for the latter.



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Do you believe that biology has no impact on a person's life and choices?

I believe that there is a middle ground between pure individual freedom and biological determinism, where are an individual's decisions are informed by their biology, but not created by their biology. There is a growing body of research which points to different areas of ones life and one's choices which are significantly impacted by biology so I believe that we are well past the point where we can plausibly deny its impacts.
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I love science. I was always weirdo in the back of the classroom smiling as I dissected a frog. Now you could say that it's a sign of a borderline psychopath. But I always enjoyed the things that no one else did.
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Do you believe that biology has no impact on a person's life and choices?

I believe that there is a middle ground between pure individual freedom and biological determinism, where are an individual's decisions are informed by their biology, but not created by their biology. There is a growing body of research which points to different areas of ones life and one's choices which are significantly impacted by biology so I believe that we are well past the point where we can plausibly deny its impacts.


I wouldn't say no impact. It's simply not determinate--better said it facilitates or "informs" as you had put it. People controlled by their biology are mere primitives (an excuse rather than reason). Have you ever played Stanley Parable? That's basically how I view things.



Despite this. You can still go through the blue door. Biology can say "do this" or "do that"--but humans are able to directly impose those imperatives. It's not a matter of "biology made it so" as it is more "listened to biology". In other cases, we simply go through the red door on our own volition and it simply aligns with what had been facilitated. How do you separate such cases? Simply, one cannot.

Sure such whispering have an impact, but for some being told to go through the red door just makes them want to go through the blue door more so while others may be more inclined to listen. I wouldn't say its impact is even slightly determinate. I am of the opinion biology is a facilitating force rather than a controlling one in regards to humans (sometimes the facilitation can be paradoxically opposite!).

It provides a form of predictability--but not assurance--for human behavior.


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Probably because they don't want to have to put up with the preponderance of no-life's they'd face in the classes, only to be surrounded by more once they graduate.
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Why don't women like science? Are you crazy? I'm a science major and the majority of my smartest and most dedicated classmates are women.
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PrinceJudar wrote:
I wouldn't say no impact. It's simply not determinate--better said it facilitates or "informs" as you had put it. People controlled by their biology are mere primitives (an excuse rather than reason). Have you ever played Stanley Parable? That's basically how I view things.



Despite this. You can still go through the blue door. Biology can say "do this" or "do that"--but humans are able to directly impose those imperatives. It's not a matter of "biology made it so" as it is more "listened to biology". In other cases, we simply go through the red door on our own volition and it simply aligns with what had been facilitated. How do you separate such cases? Simply, one cannot.

Sure such whispering have an impact, but for some being told to go through the red door just makes them want to go through the blue door more so while others may be more inclined to listen. I wouldn't say its impact is even slightly determinate. I am of the opinion biology is a facilitating force rather than a controlling one in regards to humans (sometimes the facilitation can be paradoxically opposite!).

It provides a form of predictability--but not assurance--for human behavior.


I do agree, but I wonder what exactly the point of going against your biology is (ignoring the impact of nurture for now). If I'm biologically inclined to enjoy working with people and I have high emotional intelligence, while I still could go into an engineering field, why would I want to? It would likely just decrease my work satisfaction and push me into a field that I would excel at less. When you have the choice between the red door and the blue door, and biology is whispering in your ear "Go through the blue door", why would you ignore it? Again, its not to say you can't but you would be going against yourself if you choose to go through the red door.

And is that really something that should be encouraged? I've been told time and time again that the key in choosing a career is doing something that you enjoy and that you believe you will be good at. I could go into a field of social work, but I have a tendency to be not great with people and it stresses me out to no end. My biology is telling me that I probably shouldn't go into a field like that... The choice is still mine technically, but again, why would I ignore it.

If there is a biological distinction in the brains, genetics, biology of men vs women which causes men to generally enjoy/excel at STEM fields more than women, I'd say that explains why there are more men than women in STEM fields pretty clearly.

PS: I have played Stanley Parable...brilliant game
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Well that brings up the question of whether enjoyment is truly related to biological imperatives and to what degree? Sometimes biological behaviors may be harmful to those around us and that is why we do not listen even when it whispers to "fuck her against the wall". In other matters, it may prevent progress or risk taking. Other contexts still, opposing may be the rational superior. The brain is a complex matter--self-consciousness even more so. You say it be going against yourself--but is what you feel truly yourself, or what you think? Is it not the weighing we do and decisions we make that makes humans such complex individuals? Sometimes what we feel is best, or inclined to do, is not the better. I may be inclined to hurt or harm another human, but is that really 'myself'?--Or simply a passing feeling easily smacked down with a second's worth of thought?

Choosing a career you enjoy is certainly wise to advise, unless that enjoyment is found in a career that can barely financially support yourself let alone the family you have. Context, Weighing. Decision. Sometimes the imperative is the better route--sometimes not.

If there is it would indeed explain it. It just wouldn't necessarily forever be bound that way.

P.S. The sarcasm is real in that game lol

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