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I honestly don't get why more people don't switch (at least partially) to Linux.
Dunno who is "closest" to windows but was it linux that is quite close or not?



Hmmm... How to put this...

You probably already know, but Linux has many different "flavors," and some tend to be very user friendly, some tend to be a little harder to use (but easier to make into what you want).

The most Windows-like flavor would probably be Mint, followed closely by Ubuntu. Those are the two I would recommend as desktops for any new users, simply because it'll be easier to use than many others. Plus, Mint (and a version of Ubuntu called Xubuntu) takes very, very small amounts of resources to run.

There are tons of advantages, but I'll warn you--you won't know the entire system right away. Just like with Windows, it takes some time to get used to it. Once you do, though, you'll kick your own ass for not doing it sooner.

So, a new user doesn't really have to be that tech savvy at all? I was considering linux for my next computer, but I saw some stuff online that I literally didn't have a clue what was going on lol. Is it more advantageous to learn and use the 'harder' versions of linux?


For 90% of what users do it will be like windows, at least linux mint is like that. The only difficult things i've run into normally has been using a wireless USB that was incompatible with linux, got one that was compatible and it worked fine. About half my windows games run in linux's WINE (it runs windows programs) and the other half I have to boot up windows 7 to use. I use windows about twice a week just for a game that runs on windows only technology. Web browsing, e-mail, burning cds, music, etc i use linux for because my linux runs twice as fast as my windows.

I'd go for what is easiest. Eventually you can change to a harder one if you want a challenge but there is really no major benefit to doing that unless your running a server or something.
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I would dual-boot, except windoze 8.1/10 doesn't play too nicely with multiboot (at least they don't make it as easy as on Windows 7, because M$ decides to have it so I have to go through _their_ boot to get anywhere first) and that sort of makes me choose... At least that was the last time I tried. Who knows, maybe EasyBCD came up with an updated version that could easily merge everything into a single Win10 boot menu.

As for Battlefront, I'm playing that new one that's basically a re-skin of Battlefield 4.



Ah, I've never touched anything newer than Windows XP except for this Windows 7 I have on this computer (and I actually haven't turned it on since the day after I installed it, hahaha!). But even using Windows bootloader would be okay, neh? There was a similar issue when I was dual-booting Windows NT and Linux back about ten or fifteen years ago--I had to use Windows bootloader (and Windows HAD to be installed first).

Oh, wait, are you using a laptop? If so, you probably have that UEFI bootloader bullshit, right? Yeah, I hear that's a bastard...
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Linux is the way to go


I use Ubuntu, what's your favorite distro? as for PC-BSD or OpenIndiana, I don't I could get into it even though it has similar principles to GNU/Linux (if I had Nvidia, then maybe I can use them). As for the anti-Microsoft people, I don't think Microsoft is that great either.
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I would dual-boot, except windoze 8.1/10 doesn't play too nicely with multiboot (at least they don't make it as easy as on Windows 7, because M$ decides to have it so I have to go through _their_ boot to get anywhere first) and that sort of makes me choose... At least that was the last time I tried. Who knows, maybe EasyBCD came up with an updated version that could easily merge everything into a single Win10 boot menu.

As for Battlefront, I'm playing that new one that's basically a re-skin of Battlefield 4.



Ah, I've never touched anything newer than Windows XP except for this Windows 7 I have on this computer (and I actually haven't turned it on since the day after I installed it, hahaha!). But even using Windows bootloader would be okay, neh? There was a similar issue when I was dual-booting Windows NT and Linux back about ten or fifteen years ago--I had to use Windows bootloader (and Windows HAD to be installed first).

Oh, wait, are you using a laptop? If so, you probably have that UEFI bootloader bullshit, right? Yeah, I hear that's a bastard...


I have avoided windows 8/10 but my mom's laptop started with a UEFI bootloader. I had to access the BIOS from within windows and change it to a traditional boot loader. Then I could access some of its options and install linux on it. I don't know if windows 10 requires UEFI or not but it has to be disabled to install linux.

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Yes M$ sux... However, individual executables (whether they're installs or not) are pretty easy to handle in Windows in comparison.


If you are installing from the repositories, your dependencies are generally satisfied automatically, as it will choose to download whatever it needs to run whatever it needs to run [etc. etc.] what you want.

E.G.
If you wanted to install a PBJ sammich, it would see that you have a knife and bread, but you don't have peanut butter, jelly, or a spoon, so it would download those for you and then install the PBJ sandwich. If you wanted to install a lunch, if would install those, install the PBJ sammich, install a banana, and then install a glass of milk.

That's why, in your case, I think you may have taken something you'd seen on a similar problem you found on the Internet, tried to apply it, and screwed yourself over because you didn't stick to the repositories. The reason I say this is only because I had done the exact same thing before, looooong time ago.

(Also, most Windows stand-alone executables run fine on Linux through WINE--quite often even better.)


I didn't get those odd stuff from advice forums... They're just out there.

Why can't all those Linux packages play nice and easy like all the Windows installers and self-extracts? Why can't all of them just simply "work" when I double click?
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Not "upgrading" to 10. Windows 7 is my waifu.

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I'd go for what is easiest. Eventually you can change to a harder one if you want a challenge but there is really no major benefit to doing that unless your running a server or something.


Yeah, this, mostly.

The 'harder' ones main advantage is customization. (Well, and bragging rights, if you ever have the misfortune to look at an Arch/Gentoo/Slackware forum...) You can tweak your system to have what it needs, exactly what it needs, and none of what it doesn't need so that it does its job quickly, efficiently, in a fraction of the time it takes other systems to do the same tasks.

Which, well, you can do to a large degree with the easier ones, too--it's just those harder ones can get REALLY nerdy about it. (Never get an Arch guy going on about how awesome USE flags are.)
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nanikore2 wrote:

I would dual-boot, except windoze 8.1/10 doesn't play too nicely with multiboot (at least they don't make it as easy as on Windows 7, because M$ decides to have it so I have to go through _their_ boot to get anywhere first) and that sort of makes me choose... At least that was the last time I tried. Who knows, maybe EasyBCD came up with an updated version that could easily merge everything into a single Win10 boot menu.

As for Battlefront, I'm playing that new one that's basically a re-skin of Battlefield 4.



Ah, I've never touched anything newer than Windows XP except for this Windows 7 I have on this computer (and I actually haven't turned it on since the day after I installed it, hahaha!). But even using Windows bootloader would be okay, neh? There was a similar issue when I was dual-booting Windows NT and Linux back about ten or fifteen years ago--I had to use Windows bootloader (and Windows HAD to be installed first).

Oh, wait, are you using a laptop? If so, you probably have that UEFI bootloader bullshit, right? Yeah, I hear that's a bastard...


I really would rather not boot into the new M$ bootloader, and then reboot AGAIN just to get into another OS... (even if it's only an earlier version of Windows!) M$ made it too much of PIA.
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sarteck wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Yes M$ sux... However, individual executables (whether they're installs or not) are pretty easy to handle in Windows in comparison.


If you are installing from the repositories, your dependencies are generally satisfied automatically, as it will choose to download whatever it needs to run whatever it needs to run [etc. etc.] what you want.

E.G.
If you wanted to install a PBJ sammich, it would see that you have a knife and bread, but you don't have peanut butter, jelly, or a spoon, so it would download those for you and then install the PBJ sandwich. If you wanted to install a lunch, if would install those, install the PBJ sammich, install a banana, and then install a glass of milk.

That's why, in your case, I think you may have taken something you'd seen on a similar problem you found on the Internet, tried to apply it, and screwed yourself over because you didn't stick to the repositories. The reason I say this is only because I had done the exact same thing before, looooong time ago.

(Also, most Windows stand-alone executables run fine on Linux through WINE--quite often even better.)


I didn't get those odd stuff from advice forums... They're just out there.

Why can't all those Linux packages play nice and easy like all the Windows installers and self-extracts? Why can't all of them just simply "work" when I double click?


"Out there," like... what? Stackexchange? The official distribution site of whatever you were using? XD

The majority of the time, they do "just work," honestly. And they do it without showing a blue screen of death, to boot. :3
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I STILL use Windows 7 Home Premium bitches
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Microsoft could fix a lot of this if they'd just come clean about what information they are collecting.
In their zeal to brag about Windows 10 adoption they revealed some stats like:



Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.

Around 30% more Bing search queries per Windows 10 device vs. prior versions of Windows.

Over 82 billion photos viewed within the Windows 10 Photo app.

Gaming continues to grow on Windows 10 – in 2015, gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games on Windows 10.

Gamers have streamed more than 6.6 million hours of Xbox One games to Windows 10 PCs.

Over 44.5 billion minutes spent in Microsoft Edge across Windows 10 devices in just the last month.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/04/windows-10-now-active-on-over-200-million-devices/
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sarteck wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

I would dual-boot, except windoze 8.1/10 doesn't play too nicely with multiboot (at least they don't make it as easy as on Windows 7, because M$ decides to have it so I have to go through _their_ boot to get anywhere first) and that sort of makes me choose... At least that was the last time I tried. Who knows, maybe EasyBCD came up with an updated version that could easily merge everything into a single Win10 boot menu.

As for Battlefront, I'm playing that new one that's basically a re-skin of Battlefield 4.



Ah, I've never touched anything newer than Windows XP except for this Windows 7 I have on this computer (and I actually haven't turned it on since the day after I installed it, hahaha!). But even using Windows bootloader would be okay, neh? There was a similar issue when I was dual-booting Windows NT and Linux back about ten or fifteen years ago--I had to use Windows bootloader (and Windows HAD to be installed first).

Oh, wait, are you using a laptop? If so, you probably have that UEFI bootloader bullshit, right? Yeah, I hear that's a bastard...


I really would rather not boot into the new M$ bootloader, and then reboot AGAIN just to get into another OS... (even if it's only an earlier version of Windows!) M$ made it too much of PIA.


Meh?

I must have missed something... Are you saying that you have to boot into Windows in order to boot into something else? O.o

Whatever bootloader you're using, it's always loaded, every time you turn on your computer. It's what tells your computer, "hey, read this image into system memory and activate it." That image can be a Linux kernel or Windows kernel (as well as other OSes of course).
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I STILL use Windows 7 Home Premium bitches

Ayyyyyee.

To sarteck and Rujikin, thanks for answering. On my tablet, and it's annoying to format and type responses. Gonna look more into mint and ubunto.
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nanikore2 wrote:


sarteck wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

I would dual-boot, except windoze 8.1/10 doesn't play too nicely with multiboot (at least they don't make it as easy as on Windows 7, because M$ decides to have it so I have to go through _their_ boot to get anywhere first) and that sort of makes me choose... At least that was the last time I tried. Who knows, maybe EasyBCD came up with an updated version that could easily merge everything into a single Win10 boot menu.

As for Battlefront, I'm playing that new one that's basically a re-skin of Battlefield 4.



Ah, I've never touched anything newer than Windows XP except for this Windows 7 I have on this computer (and I actually haven't turned it on since the day after I installed it, hahaha!). But even using Windows bootloader would be okay, neh? There was a similar issue when I was dual-booting Windows NT and Linux back about ten or fifteen years ago--I had to use Windows bootloader (and Windows HAD to be installed first).

Oh, wait, are you using a laptop? If so, you probably have that UEFI bootloader bullshit, right? Yeah, I hear that's a bastard...


I really would rather not boot into the new M$ bootloader, and then reboot AGAIN just to get into another OS... (even if it's only an earlier version of Windows!) M$ made it too much of PIA.


That was a one time thing. When I changed it I booted off the linux CD, installed it, then it booted directly into linux.
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"Out there," like... what? Stackexchange? The official distribution site of whatever you were using? XD

The majority of the time, they do "just work," honestly. And they do it without showing a blue screen of death, to boot. :3


I don't remember. All I knew was I was trying to duplicate whatever I had used on my Windows machine.

This had happened so many times that I really don't want to go through it again just to test the waters of "it won't happen this time"
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