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Posted 1/19/16

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That was a one time thing. When I changed it I booted off the linux CD, installed it, then it booted directly into linux.



Yes. You don't need to play the new Star Wars Battlefront on your PC. I do.
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Meh?

I must have missed something... Are you saying that you have to boot into Windows in order to boot into something else? O.o

Whatever bootloader you're using, it's always loaded, every time you turn on your computer. It's what tells your computer, "hey, read this image into system memory and activate it." That image can be a Linux kernel or Windows kernel (as well as other OSes of course).


Even if you have, say, Windows Vista and WIndows 8.1 dual-boot, this is what happens when you have to boot into Vista, every single time...

1. Turn on PC
2. New Windows boot menu comes up
3. Choose Vista
4. It WARM REBOOTS. It DOESN'T BOOT VISTA DIRECTLY FROM HERE
5. Now it boots again, except no boot menu comes up
6. Vista loads

Is this clearer?
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i need to get me a linux / internet only pc.
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...and this is news?
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I like windows 10. You just have to customize the options properly.

For gaming it's still a rough transition period, but it's actually a nice OS. Much better than Windows 8--competitive with Windows 7.

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sarteck wrote:



Meh?

I must have missed something... Are you saying that you have to boot into Windows in order to boot into something else? O.o

Whatever bootloader you're using, it's always loaded, every time you turn on your computer. It's what tells your computer, "hey, read this image into system memory and activate it." That image can be a Linux kernel or Windows kernel (as well as other OSes of course).


Even if you have, say, Windows Vista and WIndows 8.1 dual-boot, this is what happens when you have to boot into Vista, every single time...

1. Turn on PC
2. New Windows boot menu comes up
3. Choose Vista
4. It WARM REBOOTS. It DOESN'T BOOT VISTA DIRECTLY FROM HERE
5. Now it boots again, except no boot menu comes up
6. Vista loads

Is this clearer?


Mmm, 'fraid not. Ya lost me at 4. Afraid I don't understand why it would reboot twice. I left Windows 10 on my father's new laptop, and just installed Ubuntu alongside it, and both boot directly from the bootloader. I don't know if that's just some weird thing that happens with multiple Windows installations or if your computer is just weird.
Posted 1/19/16 , edited 1/19/16

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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Is anyone really shocked that a company is trying to force you to buy their latest product? It's what companies do.

Your fear of it going to a subscription based service isn't something I bother thinking about anymore. I have read many articles saying it will never happen and that they will be getting their money through other methods like, for example, your complaint about the app store. Even if they did try it all it would do is make people go elsewhere or downgrade back to 7 which is really quick and easy. They may make mistakes but I don't see them being dumb enough to push people away that hard.

As for the app store though not only do I not use it but it doesn't try to sell me anything whenever I open up the start menu. It is just a simple blank icon that says "Store" with its little logo. If I see anything in the start menu I don't like I simple right click it and unpin it. Simple and easy fix and it allows me to only have what I want on there.

Problem with the searches using Bing? You have plenty of options to even change that aspect of it located here: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2986172/windows/how-to-make-cortana-search-with-google-instead-of-bing-in-windows-10.html

It may be more of a hassle than it really should be but I really just think you are making way too big of a deal out of it all.



You won't be able to up-grade to Win7 on the newest hardware. You'll be stuck with Win10. Also, when the final launch release version of Win10 comes out and the free downgrade to Win10 ends, a new EULA will come out that prohibits up-grading back to Win7.


I am aware of how windows 7 won't be supported by new hardware that is why I included "going elsewhere" meaning apple, linux etc. Some people who don't feel the need to have the latest hardware will find themselves with the option of going back to windows 7 should they desire it while those who do upgrade hardware will still have plenty of other options. If the hardware is capable of using 7 they can't actually prevent people from going back to it. You just reformat and install 7.


Also, to those that are complaining about the data windows 10 collects about you, not only can you turn all of that off but if you have a smartphone it tracks you way more than windows 10 can. If you aren't bothered enough by it to not use a cellphone then stop complaining.
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Posted 1/19/16

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Linux is the way to go


I use Ubuntu, what's your favorite distro? as for PC-BSD or OpenIndiana, I don't I could get into it even though it has similar principles to GNU/Linux (if I had Nvidia, then maybe I can use them). As for the anti-Microsoft people, I don't think Microsoft is that great either.

I'm using mint right now. It's a bit glitchy but good
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nanikore2 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

That was a one time thing. When I changed it I booted off the linux CD, installed it, then it booted directly into linux.



Yes. You don't need to play the new Star Wars Battlefront on your PC. I do.


I'm a PC only gamer everything has to run on my PC, even games I own a disk to on a PS2 collecting dust. I normally switch between linux and windows. When I boot up I get a menu that asks "linux, some utilities, windows 7". If I want windows 7 I move down to it and select it.





Sartek: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/windows-10-will-require-uefi/1ced300f-6141-4d8e-ad55-016ef69acc99?auth=1
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Posted 1/19/16 , edited 1/19/16

Rujikin wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Yes. You don't need to play the new Star Wars Battlefront on your PC. I do.


I'm a PC only gamer everything has to run on my PC, even games I own a disk to on a PS2 collecting dust. I normally switch between linux and windows. When I boot up I get a menu that asks "linux, some utilities, windows 7". If I want windows 7 I move down to it and select it.



Even if I don't have the issues I've described to sarteck, I would rather boot up and do everything on one OS. I don't want to maintain multiple OSes. If I already have to install Windows, I might as well use it for other things too.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

I like windows 10. You just have to customize the options properly.

For gaming it's still a rough transition period, but it's actually a nice OS. Much better than Windows 8--competitive with Windows 7.



This, Windows 10 is great. Fast boost up, runs games slightly better, DX12 incoming. Only problem I had was making the PS4 controller work but that's working fine now.
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Create your own software/OS then.
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i would love to see Firefox come up with a operating system. Bill and his money can burn for all i care



I don't think Bill Gates is involved with Microsoft anymore.
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I don't think Bill Gates is involved with Microsoft anymore.

Wouldn't surprise me, tbh.
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Posted 1/19/16

Rujikin wrote:

I have avoided windows 8/10 but my mom's laptop started with a UEFI bootloader. I had to access the BIOS from within windows and change it to a traditional boot loader. Then I could access some of its options and install linux on it. I don't know if windows 10 requires UEFI or not but it has to be disabled to install linux.



UEFI doesn't have to be disabled, presently I'm running Linux Mint 17.2 with UEFI enabled. I'm told that if you wanted to install an older version of Linux then you have to disable it.
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