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Posted 1/21/16 , edited 1/21/16

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NekobasuRider wrote:
I'm predicting it right now: anime (and video game) adaptions are the next big thing.
Not long from now, we'll be watching big-budget, live-action, American-made One Piece movies and stuff.


You mean like DB Evolution?
That's terrifying!


Heh, not all adaptations can be hits. For every Avengers and The Dark Knight there's a Green Lantern and Daredevil. Evolution didn't have the same kind of budget, effort, or star power put into it, either. I was thinking more along the lines of Edge of Tomorrow, which was based on the light novel All You Need is Kill. If bigger names like Naruto or Sailor Moon got that same sort of big-budget, top-tier treatment, they could be incredible. Of course, they might end up giant CGI crap-fests like Ninja Turtles or Transformers, but that's bound to happen with some movies in Hollywood, and even if they're only worth like a 6/10, they could still make over 100M and warrant a bunch of sequels.
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I would have talked to the manager and complained


I did. I got a $100 gift card for it, but I won't be going back to that store any time soon.


Don't let them keep that money
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While it's been becoming more popular, it seems like anime is generally poorly regarded by those that don't watch it. In many cases it seems this is for unfair reasons stemming from ignorance (a common reason being that, because hentai exists, all anime is assumed to be hentai - granted, the prevalence of fan service and panty shots doesn't help that case, but not every show does that stuff).

So, of media that is maligned, is anime the one that is most commonly maligned for things it doesn't do?


Even though anime is popular, but it still niche amongst the mainstream. I'm not even sure if ignorance and racism is the issue. I mean a lot of Korean stuff (ie: K-pop, and K-dramas) is becoming more popular and it's accepted amongst the US mainstream. I'm not joking, Korean language classes in US college had seen a huge jump meanwhile at the same time Japanese language classes had seen a big decline according to the MLA:



Despite anime popularity, Japanese language classes in US colleges has been on the decline for the last few years. This topic kind of reminds me of a thread about why K-pop fans are accepted in the mainstream, and why J-pop are not.



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It has always been viewed as "diabolical" by the Hispanic community


Wha... why the Hispanics?


The influence of evangelical pastors in the community.
When I was a kid many people said Pokemon was of the devil and many parents didn't allow their kids to watch the show


I think there's another possibility. Are we sure it's not Korean pop culture and Taiwanese pop culture is the reason why anime is no longer accepted amongst Hispanic community. I mean Korean and Taiwanese pop culture has been making big headline in Latin America:

Korean dramas find new market in Central, South Americas (2nd source article)

Forget Politics, Let’s Dance: Why K-Pop Is a Latin American Smash

Meet Latin America's Teenage Korean Pop Fanatics

Politically ignored Taiwan practices soap opera diplomacy, in Spanish

I mean I seen report of K-dramas and Taiwanese dramas being shown more on Latin/South American TVs then anime. Didn't long time ago, there used to be anime shown in Latin America like Animax (which since then is no longer there). Could that have cause a dramatic shift why anime is no longer popular amongst Hispanic communities and why Korean and Taiwanese stuff is more accepted?

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Yes when I was younger I always associate anime with weirdos, until I actually watched some for myself.
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NekobasuRider wrote:

Heh, not all adaptations can be hits. For every Avengers and The Dark Knight there's a Green Lantern and Daredevil.


Yeah, that series sucks--"Oh, we're not going to be dark and gritty like Warner, we're just going to be bleak and depressing and try to copy Showtime cable-arc series!", and then they try to do the Frank Miller "realistic" version where he doesn't have radioactive senses, and to be all gritty and urban and contemporary because boring old grownups who still watch cable-series TV don't read comic books?
Oh, and that new guy's supposed to be the Punisher? Seriously--The current fans are just...

(...Oh, wait, you were talking about the Ben Affleck movie that got the comic right? Hey, c'mon, THAT'S unfairly maligned! )
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I think people sometimes tend to think of groups they don't themselves belong to by it's worst examples.

No idea why though.
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OutSiN wrote:

I think people sometimes tend to think of groups they don't themselves belong to by it's worst examples.

No idea why though.


Because people find it easier to dislike/hate things they do not understand.



Ostracization is pretty normal as well.
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Hey at least we arent Bronies


You mean as in "at least we are not as bad as bronies" or as "at least we aren't as badly perceived as bronies" (though those two might mean the same thing to someone whose entire knowledge of bronies comes from widespread perception)

I agree that bronies are more generally disliked and negatively labeled, specially within the internet, than Otakus. But I believe that people tend to think of groups they are not a part of themselves negatively, and the fact that MLP fans are more negatively stereotyped than anime fans is more due to the fact that it is the 'bronie-sphere' is smaller and more isolated than the anime-sphere (by 'isolated' I mean that it is more likely to someone to casually watch an anime than to someone to casually watch MLP, if that makes sense).
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Probably, but then every medium is maligned at some point during its infancy and growth, I don't think its anything specific to the content of anime, that's probably just an excuse.
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Dewaynelikesanime wrote:

Probably, but then every medium is maligned at some point during its infancy and growth, I don't think its anything specific to the content of anime, that's probably just an excuse.


Just to let you know, other media from Asia like K-dramas got accepted in the US and are getting more mainstream attention then anime:

Entertainment Weekly article-Korean dramas: A beginner's guide

Here's why millions of Americans are binge-watching Korean dramas

About 18 million Americans enjoy K-dramas: Korea Creative Content Agency

Second ‘K-Drama in LA’ event draws Hollywood’s attention

So how could TV dramas from South Korea (and in the future, Taiwan) get accepted amongst US mainstream yet anime isn't?
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A lot of people, specially of the older variety, probably still think of animation as for children.
Most american cartoons are marketed towards children, with the exception of a few comedy series (Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, etc.) and of the anime that is mainstream on the US, most of it are action shounen, for young boys.

And so a lot people kind of have the wrong mentality for anime, and most aren't willing to adapt.
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OutSiN wrote:

A lot of people, specially of the older variety, probably still think of animation as for children.
Most american cartoons are marketed towards children, with the exception of a few comedy series (Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, etc.) and of the anime that is mainstream on the US, most of it are action shounen, for young boys.

And so a lot people kind of have the wrong mentality for anime, and most aren't willing to adapt.


And yet these are the same older people are more open-minded to watching Korean dramas, I'm not joking.you can read these:

2004 article-Korean soaps lure unlikely audience

2006 article-Korean Drama Craze Reaches United States

2006 article-Media: Hello to Hallyu-HAWAI‘I IS CRAZY FOR KOREAN DRAMAS, AND EVEN PLAYED A ROLE IN INTRODUCING THEM TO MAINLAND AUDIENCES

I mean if you read all 3 articles, there are non-Asian viewers that are older then the usual teen-20's year old demographic (that's what K-dramas are usually aimed at) that can watch K-dramas and can watch them in subtitles. So how could Korean dramas be accepted amongst the non-Asian older audiences yet anime can't. It doesn't make sense, it just like how K-pop fans are accepted amongst the mainstream but not J-pop fans when they view J-pop as weird.


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bbc once made a report claiming that all anime and manga were for perverts.

the same people claiming that anime is for kids and "childish" entertainment, love Pixar and Disney movies like Finding Nemo and Frozen.
they also claim that the supposed "childish" entertainment has adult material and not meant for kids.
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The assumption that we are all pedophiles is just unfair.
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mdo7 wrote:And yet these are the same older people are more open-minded to watching Korean dramas, I'm not joking.you can read these:

2004 article-Korean soaps lure unlikely audience

2006 article-Korean Drama Craze Reaches United States

2006 article-Media: Hello to Hallyu-HAWAI‘I IS CRAZY FOR KOREAN DRAMAS, AND EVEN PLAYED A ROLE IN INTRODUCING THEM TO MAINLAND AUDIENCES

I mean if you read all 3 articles, there are non-Asian viewers that are older then the usual teen-20's year old demographic (that's what K-dramas are usually aimed at) that can watch K-dramas and can watch them in subtitles. So how could Korean dramas be accepted amongst the non-Asian older audiences yet anime can't. It doesn't make sense, it just like how K-pop fans are accepted amongst the mainstream but not J-pop fans when they view J-pop as weird.


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