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I'd banned all guns if women weren't so sexually attractive and dangerous holding them. I have a gun fetish you might say.




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I don't understand the point you're making. Are you calling me naive for saying that institutional racism doesn't exist? Your basis is that ghettos exist and that your father is a racist. Oh, and also that it was a prominent issue in the last century. I should probably take the time you tell you that I lived in what's considered a ghetto for over a decade. There's a lot of self segregation and stereotyping going on between everyone.

No, there isn't. In fact, it seems that institutions are doing everything they can to promote intermingling, which is why things like affirmative action exist. Racism and bigotry most definitely exist on a individual level though. Unfortunately, individuals sometimes have influence.
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I don't understand the point you're making. Are you calling me naive for saying that institutional racism doesn't exist? Your basis is that ghettos exist and that your father is a racist. Oh, and also that it was a prominent issue in the last century. I should probably take the time you tell you that I lived in what's considered a ghetto for over a decade. There's a lot of self segregation and stereotyping going on between everyone.

No, there isn't. In fact, it seems that institutions are doing everything they can to promote intermingling, which is why things like affirmative action exist. Racism and bigotry most definitely exist on a individual level though. Unfortunately, individuals sometimes have influence.


No need to get so defensive, it might be broken up some but its still there, and also in the form of counter-racism. We're not going to get into a pissing match to see who has the more experience now with racism, because mine is in the family as well as the community. There is also no need to agree, because its an invalid argument, why of course its still there, just not as overtly enforced in the government. If an individual can be a racist and run for office, that's a blind spot with your theory.
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I'm not interested in your experience with racism, because it has no bearing on my point. If you feel that it's invalid and unnecessary to debate about it, then why did you quote me in the first place? There is no blind spot in my theory, because I never said anything about politicians. I don't want to hear about Trump's blatant racism, because he's an anomaly who exists solely for shock factor, and even I can't comprehend it. Listen, this country believes in free speech, so people are entitled to spew whatever filth they like. However, as an employer, teacher, or anyone in power, you have no right to abuse anyone for their race. Our system protects people from that. I did just specify that individuals can be racist but that this isn't something practiced on corporate, educational, or even governmental levels. We can at least agree that, that was my argument, yes? Here is the definition of institutional racism for you.

Institutional racism (also known as institutionalised racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions, as distinct from racism by individuals or informal social groups.

This is something that I believe we've done away with in the last century, as I stated. All those "underground" groups you mention probably fall in the latter category. The fact that they have a sway over even a small gathering means they have an influence--that cult mind-washing nonsense that annoyingly persistent groups like the kkk have. SO, LONG STORY SHORT:

Does racism exist? Yes.
Are there still groups that adhere to racism? Yes.
Does the government or educational system propagate the advocation of racism, even if not explicit? No.
Is our society imperfect and still in need of fixing the dirtier things that slip through the cracks? Yes.

Anyway, I'm done dignifying you with a response. Quote away.
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I'm not interested in your experience with racism, because it has no bearing on my point. If you feel that it's invalid and unnecessary to debate about it, then why did you quote me in the first place? There is no blind spot in my theory, because I never said anything about politicians. I don't want to hear about Trump's blatant racism, because he's an anomaly who exists solely for shock factor, and even I can't comprehend it. Listen, this country believes in free speech, so people are entitled to spew whatever filth they like. However, as an employer, teacher, or anyone in power, you have no right to abuse anyone for their race. Our system protects people from that. I did just specify that individuals can be racist but that this isn't something practiced on corporate, educational, or even governmental levels. We can at least agree that, that was my argument, yes? Here is the definition of institutional racism for you.

Institutional racism (also known as institutionalised racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions, as distinct from racism by individuals or informal social groups.

This is something that I believe we've done away with in the last century, as I stated. All those "underground" groups you mention probably fall in the latter category. The fact that they have a sway over even a small gathering means they have an influence--that cult mind-washing nonsense that annoyingly persistent groups like the kkk have. SO, LONG STORY SHORT:

Does racism exist? Yes.
Are there still groups that adhere to racism? Yes.
Does the government or educational system propagate the advocation of racism, even if not explicit? No.
Is our society imperfect and still in need of fixing the dirtier things that slip through the cracks? Yes.

Anyway, I'm done dignifying you with a response. Quote away.


ohh, okay. I don't care about you either and prefer that as well. There's no need to get wrapped up in a stupid debate over made up terms, racism is racism, its as simple as that, and its as much a problem now as its always been. Wake up to the world around you sometime, I'm due for some sleep.
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Germany is dead, there is only, CARNAGE.
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But that's my point, really. America handles a shit-ton of immigrants every single day since its birth. And we catch tons of shit over petty things. But you guys can't handle it in shot spurts.


"Short spurts"? This has been going since 2011 and involves the displacement of over 6 million people. There's also a difference between immigrants and refugees. The US only accepts a maximum of 70,000 refugees per year and has only accepted a few thousand Syrian ones so far. Turkey, a country less than a third your size and no where near as economically powerful, has taken in 2.5 million. Pakistan has taken in well over a million.

Turkey has taken in as many refugees in a few years as the US has, in total, since 1975.

So don't sit there and boast how well you would handle one of the largest refugee crises in modern history when you're barely even involved in helping to begin with and have never faced one of this size in the history of your country. No country has faced one of this size before.





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HolyDrumstick wrote:
But that's my point, really. America handles a shit-ton of immigrants every single day since its birth. And we catch tons of shit over petty things. But you guys can't handle it in shot spurts.


"Short spurts"? This has been going since 2011 and involves the displacement of over 6 million people. There's also a difference between immigrants and refugees. The US only accepts a maximum of 70,000 refugees per year and has only accepted a few thousand Syrian ones so far. Turkey, a country less than a third your size and no where near as economically powerful, has taken in 2.5 million. Pakistan has taken in well over a million.

Turkey has taken in as many refugees in a few years as the US has, in total, since 1975.

So don't sit there and boast how well you would handle one of the largest refugee crises in modern history when you're barely even involved in helping to begin with and have never faced one of this size in the history of your country. No country has faced one of this size before.







^^^ We definitely can't deny that we are hesitating and fighting this. And we can't scoff at other countries for problems created by the refugees they take in. Essentially that's snickering at people doing what we are too afraid to do. I won't go into what we should or shouldn't do, mainly because I don't have nearly enough knowledge on the subject. But I do think that we should acknowledge Europe for their efforts. This is a great humanitarian crisis and they have done far more than us.
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Yeah, but you misunderstand me entirely. Kudos to European nations for taking in refugees.

My point is that the US has way more immigration in total, with estimates of illegal immigration in 2012 being from 8mil to 20mil people. There were also 1mil legal immigrants. Keep in mind that we have crazy high immigration every year, in comparison to other nations.

My point is that the US catches a LOT of grief for issues cause by cultural clashes by nations that have overwhelming native majorities. REGARDLESS of how many refugees they've been taking in.

My point is that it's nice to see Euro nations deal with cultural clashes, when they give the US so much grief over issues caused by this.

Yeah, good job, Europe. You've done a great job taking in refugees. Now, try to handle your cultural clashes as gracefully as you seem to expect the US to.
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In the 1840s, Hindu priests complained to Charles James Napier (then Commander-in-Chief of British forces in India) about the prohibition of suttee by British authorities. Suttee was the custom of burning widows alive on the funeral pyre of their husbands. According to Napier’s brother William, this is how he replied:

“Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”

Hopefully the Germans will re-learn a little history. You touch our women, we break every finger on you hand.

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My point is that the US has way more immigration in total, with estimates of illegal immigration in 2012 being from 8mil to 20mil people. There were also 1mil legal immigrants. Keep in mind that we have crazy high immigration every year, in comparison to other nations.


There are an estimated 11 million or so illegal immigrants in the US currently. But illegal immigration has plummeted over the last 10 years or so as Mexico's economic situation improved. And while yes, there are 1 million legal immigrants per year, 60% of them are only a change of status ( IE they were already here and its just being made official ). The % of the foreign born population in the US has also actually declined. Contrary to the "taking our jerbs" narrative thats popular in some circles.

But, this is all kind of a moot point because you're ignoring scope and scale. Comparing the US to any individual European company isn't really a fair comparison given the size of the US. A fair comparison would be the US vs the EU given the structure of the EU and its global immigration policies.

And when you compare the US and the EU, you actually lose. The EU takes in 1.4 million immigrants annually despite being half the size of the US but having a higher population. And that's not including refugees and this entire current crisis. Yes, they deal with less illegal immigration ( when there's no civil wars going on anyhow ) but thats more to do with the difficulty of the trip.

So again, no, you cannot position yourself as an expert on this. You deal with more illegal immigration, sure, but you also take in less legal immigrants and significantly fewer refugees. While having twice as much space to put them.



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Yeah, good job, Europe. You've done a great job taking in refugees. Now, try to handle your cultural clashes as gracefully as you seem to expect the US to.


I'm not sure where you're getting this from. To be honest, some European countries have far worse culture clashes going on than the US and have had them going on for quite some time. There's no "Surprise! Now you know how America feels." going on here. If I am to be perfectly honest on the matter, some European countries are outright hostile on the matter in ways that would never fly in the US. I mean, people in the US certainly can and have tried to do similar things but ultimately they will get struck down.

The US is and always has been a multicultural melting pot. Its the fundamental backbone of your nation. But the ugly side of it is throughout all of US history there has *always* been a new group to hate on. Then that group finally gets accepted and politics moves on to the next target. Its an unfortunate symptom in US politics that there always needs to be a boogeyman to blame things on. Muslims are just at the top of the list right now. But if you rolled back a century or so it'd be the Irish.

Another 100 years and iwho knows. People could be ranting about shifty Australian immigrants taking their jerbs.






















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STILL missing my point. Also, not trying to be an expert in anything. I just get tired of the copious amounts of shit talk that comes from the mouths of Europeans directed at America.
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Lol almost every post:
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I hear cartoons work well on Muslims too.
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HolyDrumstickwith estimates of illegal immigration in 2012 being from 8mil to 20mil people


curious, but too lazy to check facts elsewhere: Isn't the US all in all something like 300 million people? If you had 8+ million immigrants each yeah you'd have to have a pretty crazy growth of your overall population. Sounds weird to me. Either 2012 was some weird spike or something is off about the numbers.
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