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HolyDrumstick wrote:

Sounds like a better platform for candidates to debate.

I know nothing about coding, but it sounds like something I may watch.

I like the idea about setting debates up a week or so in advance so people could gather research. Someone else said this, I think. That would be much better, I think.


As far as organization of a debate schedule, while I -could- program schedule management into the system, it would be far more advantageous to allow a "Moderator" to just manually start each debate whenever they deem it is supposed to start.


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You could also have different debate teams and "positions" in the teams. Like each team leader would do most of the speaking, but the other members could have a limited number of buzz-ins to support the ideas. Teams wouldn't necessarily have to do much if any cooperating, and could research independently. Depending on how strict the limitations were, that could get messy. You could also have it set up where the team leaders/ primary debaters could take on topics a couple of weeks in advance, and then could break their argument into pieces and let people sign up and be approved as supporting debaters.


"Team" debates and "positions" is something I'll have to take into considerations while programming, yes, you're right. I'll initially program in two roles, "Member" and "Leader" until such time as we have need of specialized roles.


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If you REALLY wanted to make into something crazy good, you could also do a voice debate system where one debater was unmuted at a time. Others could buzz in, and then be unmuted by the moderator. One person unmuted at a time, so no interruptions or people talking over someone. Then, once you had that system in place, get some popular (as popular as you can) youtubers (not the stupid kind, the educational kind) to participate and they'll do their own advertising. That's free advertising for you. I'm sure there are plenty who are dying to have some hard conversations with each other. Also, gathering people who've already researched the info will cut down on the stupid.


See, this is what I plan on doing with the Google Hangouts app I was going to program.

I was going to have the application "auto-mute" all channels, only open the "Active Speaker"'s channel, the allow "Interruptors" to "buzz in" as defined by "Debate Settings." (Sorry for all the quotes, heh.)

And fuck yeah, I would desperately try to get Sargon of Akkad to try this out. Love that guy.


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Next thing you know, people are watching/listening to the debate streams and they're all up on youtube for later viewing. It hits it big... AND people are learning and growing from this. You've just made the world a better place AND earned a pretty penny.


Hah, I don't really care about either one. The world can fuck itself, and I'm not getting paid by any means for this. XD I just like coding, it's that simple. I already have a full-time job, in a related field, and I love that. This is just shit I like to do on the side, as a hobby.


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But, Sarteck, remember me when you hit it big.... I'm not expecting handouts, but when you start having to hire a staff, at least offer me a position. I mean, even I can fetch coffee.


I know it sounds like I'm exaggerating with all of this, but I'm so dead serious. It could be huge. It could be a thing. So, if you don't have dreams... I will do the dreaming for you, buddy.


Yeah, nah. I'd be releasing the source code for this right away, anyhow, for a bunch of reasons:

It will not be THAT complicated. It's really not hard to build some kind of interface with an engine to control your Google+ account during a Hangout. In fact, I'm going to try to comment it very thoroughly so that even those not really familiar with programming in general or the language in particular could reasonably determine how to edit things.

People out there less lazy than me could add to it if they can read it, and make it even more awesome. And so on and so forth.

Finally, though, it's not really something worth PAYING for, if you know what I mean. I mean, big deal, software that assists moderating Debates with extensive timer/interrupt system. A human paying attention could do that, right? It's just an assist, so no bucks to be made there. XD
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Another idea, if you're using a moderating bot, give the person speaking a 30sec to 1min countdown, so they know they're about to be interrupted and can find a pausing point.
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Another idea, if you're using a moderating bot, give the person speaking a 30sec to 1min countdown, so they know they're about to be interrupted and can find a pausing point.


If I did that, I would make it optional and not even default, heh. It's a debate; allowing uninterrupted speech is more like just writing a forum post, without having what others may consider irrational be challenged immediately by rational thought.

Considering how many options we're allowing, I'll probably need a suggestion on a layout for the User Interface for moderators and debaters.

Before I get way too deep into any of that shit, though, let me look over the Google+ API for Hangouts, and see what I can do and how I can do it. If I can just send an XML stream back and forth to be interpreted by my own server, and have it carry all commands, then that would be perfect.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

Another idea, if you're using a moderating bot, give the person speaking a 30sec to 1min countdown, so they know they're about to be interrupted and can find a pausing point.


If I did that, I would make it optional and not even default, heh. It's a debate; allowing uninterrupted speech is more like just writing a forum post, without having what others may consider irrational be challenged immediately by rational thought.

Considering how many options we're allowing, I'll probably need a suggestion on a layout for the User Interface for moderators and debaters.

Before I get way too deep into any of that shit, though, let me look over the Google+ API for Hangouts, and see what I can do and how I can do it. If I can just send an XML stream back and forth to be interpreted by my own server, and have it carry all commands, then that would be perfect.


Well, I'd be willing to help test it, but that's about all I'm good for.
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