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Posted 1/26/16

hicksvilledave wrote:
Yep. Stupid people in the world. If a cop(or any government worker) showed up at your door and said i want to come in and look around would you let them, because you had nothing to hide???? Stupid stupid stupid law.


Yes, because government workers have nothing better to do than drive a government car around all day, knocking on doors and demanding people show them their phones

Most government workers would rather laze around, take a two hour lunch and collect their paycheck. If you need proof of that, look no further than the members of Congress and the Senate. They're not going to show up on your doorstep and punish you for your illegal MP3 download.

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You could be doing illegal things on your phone and not even know it, ever not paid for an MP3 but have it on your phone? They can search you till they find something then charge you for being a criminal.


Pretty sure this wouldn't fly in court either. A police search needs to be limited to the area in which the warrant is specified for. For example, if the warrant is to search for recent communications, they wouldn't be allowed to search for things other than that. Unless the warrant was related in some way to piracy it is, there would probably be little reason for them to search there. If the warrant was due to the possession of illegal files (ex. Child porn), going through music files would be irrelevant to the search. Further, it is often difficult or impossible to prove that a file was obtained through piracy and not another legal means.

This shouldn't be anything resembling a concern.
Posted 1/26/16

dragontackle wrote:

Better start carrying around burn phones like I do


LOL hmmm
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The logic behind these bills is:
"To prevent crime we need to make it illegal to hide anything from his by using technology, so let's ban selling encryption technology".

Yeah because a criminal who happily is willing to trade with far worse illegal goods will most certainly follow the law when it comes to buying smart phones.

The only effect of such a bill is pretty simple: One more step towards a totalitarian surveillance state.
Although after the NSA scandals in a way we're already there. I mean they employ secret judges that, in secret, overrule rather basic human rights in whatever way they want to justify their own actions. So just because some law states you have some right doesn't mean you actually have that right anymore.
Kind of like in the middle ages: People just had to be stamped as "evil witch". Nowadays people are stamped as terrorists instead.

Really people need to just accept that things like "freedom" and "privacy" and "democracy" come at a price.
The price of driving cars is hundreds of dead people every month. Same with legal drugs like alcohol or smoking. Society accepts that.
But due to the way the media works security threats that in reality kill very few people practically frighten people so much that they're willing to sell the very basic of their free society. Accept that your own freedom requires you to accept that there is a small risk that you might die in a terror attack. Just like there is a small risk to die in a car accident. And the risk of the car accident is much, much higher.
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Posted 1/26/16 , edited 1/26/16

Cola_Colin wrote:

"To prevent crime we need to make it illegal to hide anything from his by using technology, so let's ban selling encryption technology".

Yeah because a criminal who happily is willing to trade with far worse illegal goods will most certainly follow the law when it comes to buying smart phones.

Thank you.
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I never understood you freaks, so concerned with the contents of a smartphone. I mean the most harmful thing any sane person keeps on the damn glorified pocket calculators is what porn, maybe a movie or two. I mean if you're the sort of human trash that uses the damn thing as a contact number for the people who buy meth off you or something ya deserve to have your so called personal rights violated without lube ya dig.

As for the financial information spiel, who in their right mind uses their smart phone for that?
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As for the financial information spiel, who in their right mind uses their smart phone for that?

Everybody.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Everybody.


Why, the weakest encryption software on the cheapest laptop is 10 times stronger then the strongest encryption software on the most expensive smartphone..Idiots who think otherwise don't deserve to have their bank accounts hacked.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Everybody.


Why, the weakest encryption software on the cheapest laptop is 10 times stronger then the strongest encryption software on the most expensive smartphone..Idiots who think otherwise don't deserve to have their bank accounts hacked.

Okay? Your financial information becoming compromised from your smartphone ain't necessarily a big problem
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Okay? Your financial information becoming compromised from your smartphone ain't necessarily a big problem


Yeah, a extremely weakly protected wireless signal being broadcast through a basically unsecured wifi hotspot. Yeah 100% safe.
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Yeah, a extremely weakly protected wireless signal being broadcast through a basically unsecured wifi hotspot. Yeah 100% safe.

Unfortunately, I still do not see daily headlines of compromised bank accounts etc. because someone used their bank over their phone's data service. And I never said fucking over some like McDonalds wifi. If someone is stupid enough to do that shit in starbucks then yah they deserve it.
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"Having nothing to hide" and "having a reasonable expectation of privacy" are two radically different issues....reminds me of a good friend who broke up with his girlfriend over something stupid that has to do with that.

She got his password and snooped around his phone when he was asleep. She found a convo where he said "I love you" or something to a friend, which isn't all that abnormal. He explained himself fully and, apparently, he had already told her about all this BEFORE SHE SNOOPED but she did it anyway to see what he had to hide and wouldn't shut up about it.

Her reasoning? "You wouldn't be mad that I looked if you had nothing to hide." He was like "Wtf, it's not about that, it's about privacy and your trust issues." After a few weeks, he just didn't want to deal with it and ended it. She still thinks she did nothing wrong. I'm good friends with both of them but I'm afraid I have to side with my guy friend. The girl gets crazy in relationships.

Yeah, my body is not abnormal in any way and I have nothing on my body to hide, so people can secretly look at me while I'm showering because I have nothing to hi---NO, WTF.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
Unfortunately, I still do not see daily headlines of compromised bank accounts etc. because someone used their bank over their phone's data service. And I never said fucking over some like McDonalds wifi. If someone is stupid enough to do that shit in starbucks then yah they deserve it.


Yeah still I am going to stick to my encrypted to hell and back PC thank you very much, might even go back to doing my banking in person for shit and giggles.
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Ranwolf wrote:

Yeah still I am going to stick to my encrypted to hell and back PC thank you very much, might even go back to doing my banking in person for shit and giggles.

More power to you.
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Posted 1/26/16

Ranwolf wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Everybody.


Why, the weakest encryption software on the cheapest laptop is 10 times stronger then the strongest encryption software on the most expensive smartphone..Idiots who think otherwise don't deserve to have their bank accounts hacked.



The reason California and New York want phone makers to "Make Back Doors" into cell phones that they can use to "Bypass The Encryption" is because the Encryption is "Very Effective." Not weaker, like you suggest. If it were weaker, then they wouldn't need to do this, and more of people's financials, and other datas would be stolen more easily.
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