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Posted 1/26/16

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^ FYI - If you feel that way about law enforcement looking at your phone, you better not travel internationally. Even if you are an American citizen, when it come to airports and borders, you have no rights. CBP can look at your phone without your consent. It's called Border Search Authority,

I'm ok with law enforcement having the ability to look at my phone. My thought is that if you have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem. No one in law enforcement cares about your emails to your snookums or your fantasy football leagues.


This pretty much.

I mean, unless you download loliporn or something illegal....then just comply and be on your merry way


IT does suck, but this is the world we live in.

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The reason California and New York want phone makers to "Make Back Doors" into cell phones that they can use to "Bypass The Encryption" is because the Encryption is "Very Effective." Not weaker, like you suggest. If it were weaker, then they wouldn't need to do this, and more of people's financials, and other datas would be stolen more easily.


Mate I am going to go ahead and just assume you know nothing about the complexities of software encryption, your posts so far are doing nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Even the weakest level of encryption would take a while to brute fore, this back door as you call it simply would save anyone with the proper authorization a lot of time and effort. And yes you can encrypt the back door itself as well, with several layers if you feel like it.

The fact you think a wireless signal will ever be considered a secure channel for anything more valuable then your porn collection is laughable. I feel no remorse for anyone who stores anything more valuable then that on a smart phone.

I am also of the opinion you're a paranoid delinquent with something to hide if you oppose the use of technology to make the fine men and women in blue's job that much harder. If you have nothing to hide why bother pretending you do. In an age of ever increasing technological sophistication the human trash out there are evolving as well. And the tools and weapons law enforcement use must evolve as well.

But hey what do I know, I am just a soldier who was always taught to never hide anything and always cooperate with my fellow man. This claim to privacy rights is a laughable ideal in my mind. If you're an upstanding citizen who isn't some nut job planning to shoot up some school or something who cares if some underpaid cop decides to randomly check out the contents of your wireless devices hard drive. I mean unless you really dislike somebody finding out you're into my little pony porn or something?
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Posted 1/26/16 , edited 1/26/16

Ranwolf wrote:
And the tools and weapons law enforcement use must evolve as well.


You're so right. I mean, all the wiretapping and what not definitely helped prevent mass shootings in the US. o wait.

i find it very ironic that you're saying that privacy is not needed, when you're hiding behind a generic avatar and a fake name for the forum.
Posted 1/26/16

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I never understood you freaks, so concerned with the contents of a smartphone. I mean the most harmful thing any sane person keeps on the damn glorified pocket calculators is what porn, maybe a movie or two. I mean if you're the sort of human trash that uses the damn thing as a contact number for the people who buy meth off you or something ya deserve to have your so called personal rights violated without lube ya dig.

As for the financial information spiel, who in their right mind uses their smart phone for that?


Sorry, but please take the door out the building. I rather keep my rights to privacy. No, I don't care for your macho man act nor I have nothing to hide excuse. You think I am doing something illegal? Get a legal warrant.
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You're so right. I mean, all the wiretapping and what not definitely helped prevent mass shootings in the US. o wait.

i find it very ironic that you're saying that privacy is not needed, when you're hiding behind a generic avatar and a fake name for the forum.


No the inability for police to act upon the information they gather without the practically year long process getting a warrant is the major reason so many crimes go unpunished until after the fact. One could also make an argument for the rather large surplus of fire arms in circulation both legal and illegal here but that's a whole different argument.

And yes I am hiding as you put behind a avatar and a name not my own, because as I said multiple times I don't put anything even remotely valuable onto even my PC if I can help it. My actual identity and information is already in several government databases and if they need more they simply have to ask. As unlike you and those you think like you I have no issues providing law enforcement with whatever data they need to do their job .

That does not mean however I am about to broadcast my credit information to some random forum poster who asks simply in attempt to be snide like you're doing right now.
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Posted 1/26/16 , edited 1/28/16

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DeadlyOats wrote:



The reason California and New York want phone makers to "Make Back Doors" into cell phones that they can use to "Bypass The Encryption" is because the Encryption is "Very Effective." Not weaker, like you suggest. If it were weaker, then they wouldn't need to do this, and more of people's financials, and other datas would be stolen more easily.


Mate I am going to go ahead and just assume you know nothing about the complexities of software encryption, your posts so far are doing nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Even the weakest level of encryption would take a while to brute fore, this back door as you call it simply would save anyone with the proper authorization a lot of time and effort. And yes you can encrypt the back door itself as well, with several layers if you feel like it.

The fact you think a wireless signal will ever be considered a secure channel for anything more valuable then your porn collection is laughable. I feel no remorse for anyone who stores anything more valuable then that on a smart phone.

I am also of the opinion you're a paranoid delinquent with something to hide if you oppose the use of technology to make the fine men and women in blue's job that much harder. If you have nothing to hide why bother pretending you do. In an age of ever increasing technological sophistication the human trash out there are evolving as well. And the tools and weapons law enforcement use must evolve as well.

But hey what do I know, I am just a soldier who was always taught to never hide anything and always cooperate with my fellow man. This claim to privacy rights is a laughable ideal in my mind. If you're an upstanding citizen who isn't some nut job planning to shoot up some school or something who cares if some underpaid cop decides to randomly check out the contents of your wireless devices hard drive. I mean unless you really dislike somebody finding out you're into my little pony porn or something?



Why are you resorting to name calling and insults. I didn't say anything to insult you. Also, it may be that you don't use your phone to do financials, but there are an increasing number of services for shopping, banking and other types of transactions that are done over the phone, and they have many, many millions of customers who use them. Look at all of the Bank of America, Wells Fargo, etc, etc etc ads promoting their phone apps to make banking easier and more convenient....

The reason I care so much is because government has been steadily eroding our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights. I served in the Marine Corps for 12 years, and served in a couple of hot spots including in Saudi Arabia and in Kuwait during the first Golf War, so I REALLY CARE about the way our government is chiseling away at the very foundation of our liberty.

If you've served in the U.S. armed forces, they you should recall your oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. This is my way of continuing the fight of protecting our basic liberties, even after leaving military service. I do what I can to spread the word, and call on my fellow citizens to take action by writing their congress people about it. Just because I am no longer serving in the Marine Corps does not mean that I want my efforts to defend the Constitution to go to waste, and watch my own government destroy our very own Constitution and our Bill of Rights.

This is how I feel about it. It's not about the insults you hurled at me.
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Mate I am going to go ahead and just assume you know nothing about the complexities of software encryption, your posts so far are doing nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Even the weakest level of encryption would take a while to brute fore, this back door as you call it simply would save anyone with the proper authorization a lot of time and effort. And yes you can encrypt the back door itself as well, with several layers if you feel like it.

The fact you think a wireless signal will ever be considered a secure channel for anything more valuable then your porn collection is laughable. I feel no remorse for anyone who stores anything more valuable then that on a smart phone.

I am also of the opinion you're a paranoid delinquent with something to hide if you oppose the use of technology to make the fine men and women in blue's job that much harder. If you have nothing to hide why bother pretending you do. In an age of ever increasing technological sophistication the human trash out there are evolving as well. And the tools and weapons law enforcement use must evolve as well.

But hey what do I know, I am just a soldier who was always taught to never hide anything and always cooperate with my fellow man. This claim to privacy rights is a laughable ideal in my mind. If you're an upstanding citizen who isn't some nut job planning to shoot up some school or something who cares if some underpaid cop decides to randomly check out the contents of your wireless devices hard drive. I mean unless you really dislike somebody finding out you're into my little pony porn or something?


Sorry bro, but I have to start calling you out on your BS here.

First that hilarious "laptops have 10x stronger encryption" bullshit, which itself is nonsense, and now this "wireless signals never secure" bs, it's kind of like you don't really have a clue about encryption or how it's actually used. "Wireless" data is as secure as data on the line, except for being able to be accessed by more devices, generally-speaking.

So my porn collection is quite safe, thanks.

YOur "paranoid delinquent" opinion that "we should at all times be able to show law enforcement that we don't download porn" is great and all, but contrary to the "innocent until proven guilty" thing we've got going on.

Well, "soldier," I'm glad my military experience has been vastly different from yours. I know it's surprising, but I don't plan on shooting up any school, and yes, I don't want people to see my Futa Rainbow Dash collection, thanks.
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namealreadytaken wrote:


You're so right. I mean, all the wiretapping and what not definitely helped prevent mass shootings in the US. o wait.

i find it very ironic that you're saying that privacy is not needed, when you're hiding behind a generic avatar and a fake name for the forum.


No the inability for police to act upon the information they gather without the practically year long process getting a warrant is the major reason so many crimes go unpunished until after the fact. One could also make an argument for the rather large surplus of fire arms in circulation both legal and illegal here but that's a whole different argument.

And yes I am hiding as you put behind a avatar and a name not my own, because as I said multiple times I don't put anything even remotely valuable onto even my PC if I can help it. My actual identity and information is already in several government databases and if they need more they simply have to ask. As unlike you and those you think like you I have no issues providing law enforcement with whatever data they need to do their job .

That does not mean however I am about to broadcast my credit information to some random forum poster who asks simply in attempt to be snide like you're doing right now.


So would you give your credit information to a random cop? Just because he asks? Because if you are fine with giving information to a random cop, then you should be fine with giving it away to any random person. Unless you are a hypocrite with double standards.
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Posted 1/26/16

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namealreadytaken wrote:
You're so right. I mean, all the wiretapping and what not definitely helped prevent mass shootings in the US. o wait.
i find it very ironic that you're saying that privacy is not needed, when you're hiding behind a generic avatar and a fake name for the forum.

No the inability for police to act upon the information they gather without the practically year long process getting a warrant is the major reason so many crimes go unpunished until after the fact.


the problem is that the police was already proven to not have the best judgment. there's plenty of evidence, such as the shooting of kids carrying a toy, the shooting of someone who apparently committed a minor traffic violation...the warrant is there to protect the right of the citizens, and is needed to ensure the police don't abuse their power. If the law passes, it'll effectively give police the right to bypass the law and enforce whatever they desire, whether it may be questionable or not.

Some countries already have similar laws, and they are mostly authoritarian regimes. In China, everything that you do is reported to the government, and the electronics there all have a backdoor or spyware of some sort to help the government spy on the citizens.
They are basically doing the same thing here in the US. Well, if you like the government models of China and Russia, then i suppose you have no reason to oppose this.

>"I don't put anything even remotely valuable onto even my PC if I can help it. "
why not? as you said, do you have "anything to hide"? interesting that you're paranoid enough to not have anything personal on your pc, yet claim that we don't need privacy.

>"My actual identity and information is already in several government databases and if they need more they simply have to ask."
completely WRONG. once this passes, they don't need to ask, they already have everything without even asking for your permission.
you no longer have the right to your data.
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Posted 1/26/16 , edited 1/26/16

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Mate I am going to go ahead and just assume you know nothing about the complexities of software encryption, your posts so far are doing nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Even the weakest level of encryption would take a while to brute fore, this back door as you call it simply would save anyone with the proper authorization a lot of time and effort. And yes you can encrypt the back door itself as well, with several layers if you feel like it.

tell that to DUAL_EC_DRBG(from bsafe).


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I should have no google that sir. Well time to delete my history.

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Ranwolf wrote:


Mate I am going to go ahead and just assume you know nothing about the complexities of software encryption, your posts so far are doing nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Even the weakest level of encryption would take a while to brute fore, this back door as you call it simply would save anyone with the proper authorization a lot of time and effort. And yes you can encrypt the back door itself as well, with several layers if you feel like it.

tell that to SHA-1,MD5, and DUAL_EC_DRBG(from bsafe).



SHA* and MD5 are hashing algorithms, though, not encryption. (Dunno about DUAL_EC_DRBG.)
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Radraymond01 wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


Mate I am going to go ahead and just assume you know nothing about the complexities of software encryption, your posts so far are doing nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Even the weakest level of encryption would take a while to brute fore, this back door as you call it simply would save anyone with the proper authorization a lot of time and effort. And yes you can encrypt the back door itself as well, with several layers if you feel like it.

tell that to SHA-1,MD5, and DUAL_EC_DRBG(from bsafe).



SHA* and MD5 are hashing algorithms, though, not encryption. (Dunno about DUAL_EC_DRBG.)

Pfff, I mistook encryption for hashing passwords. I'll take the door out now.
(DUAL_EC_DRBG is encryption though)
(still easy to break!(relatively))

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I should have no google that sir. Well time to delete my history.

Futa Rainbow Dash collection


To be perfectly honest, I'm not into Rainbow Dash, she's just the "popular one" everyone knows in the series.

I have a thing for Trixie, Rarity, and even Princess Luna, though.
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AES-256 is a very strong form of encryption and there's no way to easily crack it other than through brute-force as far as i know.
unless you use something trivial for the password, like "admin", "123456789", etc.
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