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Several Danish nightclubs have imposed strict admission rules requiring guests to prove their ability to speak Danish, German or English, following multiple complaints of harassment from female visitors.

Women in the Danish cities of Thisted, Sonderborg and Haderslev reported they were groped and approached with inappropriate offers from foreign men.

“Many of the refugees and asylum seekers who go out at the weekend do not know the rules. When they see a girl, they go crazy, trying to grope her or grab her clothes,” Haderslev night club owner Rafi Ibrahim, himself an immigrant from Syria who has been living in Denmark for several years, told the Copenhagen Post.

A number of Sonderborg clubs introduced the language requirement back in autumn. Now, more and more Danish nightspots are considering following suit.

“If you have a group of guests that comes in and displays threatening behavior, then it presents some security-related challenges if you cannot enter into a dialogue,” Torben Hoffmann Rosenstock, managing director of the Danish Restaurants & Cafes Association (DRC), told TV2.

However, the measures came under heavy criticism from a local Amnesty International branch, which called the ban discriminatory.

“You can’t make a general rule that states that you can’t come in if you come from a certain country that has created problems before,” Claus Juul, a consultant with the organization, was quoted by The Local as saying.

The scandal over sexually-related offences has been gathering pace since the Cologne mass sexual assaults took place on New Year’s Eve, following which police registered over 500 cases - 40 percent of which were of a sexual nature. The police chief of Cologne subsequently stepped down amid allegations of covering up refugee involvement in the attacks.

Similar cases have been reported in other German cities such as Berlin, Frankfurt and Stuttgart as well as in the Danish cities of Thisted and Sonderborg. Police were also accused of covering up migrant attacks in Sweden, after groups of young Afghan men reportedly molested girls at a teen music festival.

At the end of last year Denmark started tightening the screws on migrants. It aims to strip refugees of valuables, including cash and jewelry, to cover the costs the country bears in connection with housing them. The recently introduced bill would allow Danish authorities to claim individual items whose combined value exceeds 10,000 kroner (€1,340, $1,450).

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) commented on the controversial proposal, describing the move as a “deeply concerning response” to the refugee problem.

The Danish parliament is set to vote on the bill Thursday next week.

https://www.rt.com/news/329411-denmark-clubs-refugees-ban/


The policy denies entry to those who are unable to communicate with staff

Nightclubs in Denmark are refusing entry to migrants who cannot speak Danish, English or German amid fears that they will sexually harass female guests.

A spate of sexual assaults against women across Europe, reportedly carried out by asylum seekers, has prompted nightclubs in at least three Danish cities to tighten their entry rules.

The policy denies entry to guests who are unable to communicate with staff, the Local Denmark reported.

Some have also resorted to hiring extra security staff.

Buddy Holly discotheque in Sonderborg is among the clubs which have adopted the new rules.

"A large number of the male guests who come from the local asylum centre have a very hard time respecting the opposite sex," an employee at another Sonderborg club, Den Flyvende Hollænder, told TV Syd.

"In my eyes, it is harassment when one or more men continue to touch a young woman after she has said 'stop'."

It comes as a town official in Thisted, who oversees a nearby camp containing more than 300 migrants, said that young Danish women "feel unsafe on the streets" because they have "already been accosted by asylum seekers."

The proposals have reportedly been condemned by the Danish branch of Amnesty International, which said the clubs were discriminating against migrants.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/12108193/Denmarks-nightclubs-bar-migrants-unless-they-speak-English-Danish-or-German.html

I hope nobody seriously expected that a 3:1 gender ratio among recent asylum seekers and migrants from countries with blatantly archaic views could have had any other outcome

I mean, nightclubs were already filled to the brim with questionably behaving horny males BEFORE the refugee crisis, so this is only going to get worse
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Well, some ban you if you're not good looking. I mean, I don't know the specifics of night life, but if this was your regular old bar, I'd be strictly against it, but a trashy nightclub?


Edit: Aha, I get it, "bar".
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I don't know what people expected.
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Wish they'd do this as a general rule of thumb anywhere you go...
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Another thread of bashing "evil migrants", heh?
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“You can’t make a general rule that states that you can’t come in if you come from a certain country that has created problems before,” Claus Juul, a consultant with the organization, was quoted by The Local as saying.


Although if you go to a bar in Japan, it's helpful to go with a few native travelers, who will be able to spot whether you're being overcharged out of spite for being a foreigner.
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Refugees don't need to be evil to cause problems. If a certain group is known to cause problems, you don't just keep letting them in because you're scared of misjudging them. Your business is on the line. If you own a business, most of your major problems are caused by a certain group, and you're losing business because of them, it makes sense to protect your business by taking countermeasures.

I remember when I was doing hotel work and we had so many issues with mainland Chinese tourists and Indian tour groups, we just refused to let them in altogether. It's just not worth it to keep letting them in if almost every time one of those groups come in, you get a ton of complaints and lose business. We denied gypsies as well. Had problems with a lot of black guests as well, but denying them if they had a valid credit card would be racism or something. I could understand barring immigrants from my establishment if I was a nightclub owner. I've had experience with night clubs as well, but I'll stay with the hotel stories.

Chinese tourists: VERY wasteful and extremely loud, leave trash everywhere they go, cough and spit all over the floor, can't speak English but keep trying to ask the front desk for a lot of crap, only half of them seem to listen to their tour guide, travel around in giant packs and clog up all the walkways, they don't even move if they're in the parking lot and see you trying to drive past them.

Indian tourists: Oppressively demanding, want to bargain with you over every little thing, want to take all your amenities, will stay there and complain to you for hours until you crack and do something to make them go away, expect you to cater to their every demand even if the demand is unreasonable, are generally quite rude.

Gypsies: Sound nice but will do all kinds of shady crap in the room behind your back. They'll bring like 10 people into a room meant for 3, and bring a ton of weird and dirty luggage. They never pay on time, always try to weasel out of incidentals, almost always leave the room damaged or very dirty. Oh, and they never check out on time and almost all of them are from Arizona or Nevada for some reason. They do inexplicable stuff like somehow clog the sink on purpose and then complain to try to get a discount. You practically have to go in with a cattle prod to make them leave.

Black guests (80% of the walk-ins late at night): Obnoxiously rude, will do things like try to pay with gift cards and cash or bad credit cards and get angry and call you racist when you point out the company policy of requiring a valid CC at check-in. Often result in noise complaints. Most calls to the police are because of these guests. Sometimes leave some really crazy items in the rooms, like crack pipes and 5 used condoms. Condoms will be untied, of course, and their contents will be spilled over things that we then have to toss. They'll smoke in the room and then get mad when you charged them for incidentals even though you made it very clear at check-in that all the rooms in the hotel are smoke-free. Some are hookers and actually are stupid enough to dress like hookers. Please don't dress like that and I'll be none the wiser. But when you do that and all your behavior points to you being one, I'll tell you to go away because we don't like illegal activities in our rooms.


It's totally the fault of the people coming in. The business was fine before they came in, so how the hell is it the fault of the business? If you don't want to be scrutinized by businesses and get banned everywhere, do your part by acting like a civilized human being instead of just complaining....
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Hah, I don't know whether to laugh or sigh..In my opinion the Middle East is a hell hole and these refugees are the worse of the bunch. Cowards who ran instead of fighting to make their country a better place. And cowards having no respect for themselves aren't going to have no respect for anything else after all.


Nobody has a duty of care to their country and nobody chooses where they're born.
If it's a hell hole, it needs new management and the only people that should be expected to improve it are the ones directly responsible.
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Nobody has a duty of care to their country.
If it's a hell hole, it needs new management.


And it's people like you, who think like you that will be the ones to finally kill our species.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:



Nobody has a duty of care to their country.
If it's a hell hole, it needs new management.


And it's people like you, who think like you that will be the ones to finally kill our species.


That's baseless.
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That's baseless.


How so? Your apathetic viewpoint that no one should serve their country is one that if taken to the extreme would mean we'd all just go meh while our world burns, after all it isn't our job to save it according to you.
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Refugees don't need to be evil to cause problems. If a certain group is known to cause problems, you don't just keep letting them in because you're scared of misjudging them. Your business is on the line. If you own a business, most of your major problems are caused by a certain group, and you're losing business because of them, it makes sense to protect your business by taking countermeasures.

I remember when I was doing hotel work and we had so many issues with mainland Chinese tourists and Indian tour groups, we just refused to let them in altogether. It's just not worth it to keep letting them in if almost every time one of those groups come in, you get a ton of complaints and lose business. We denied gypsies as well. Had problems with a lot of black guests as well, but denying them if they had a valid credit card would be racism or something.

Chinese tourists: VERY wasteful and extremely loud, leave trash everywhere they go, cough and spit all over the floor, can't speak English but keep trying to ask the front desk for a lot of crap, only half of them seem to listen to their tour guide, travel around in giant packs and clog up all the walkways, they don't even move if they're in the parking lot and see you trying to drive past them.

Indian tourists: Oppressively demanding, want to bargain with you over every little thing, want to take all your amenities, will stay there and complain to you for hours until you crack and do something to make them go away, expect you to cater to their every demand even if the demand is unreasonable, are generally quite rude.

Gypsies: Sound nice but will do all kinds of shady crap in the room behind your back. They'll bring like 10 people into a room meant for 3, and bring a ton of weird and dirty luggage. They never pay on time, always try to weasel out of incidentals, almost always leave the room damaged or very dirty. Oh, and they never check out on time and almost all of them are from Arizona or Nevada for some reason. They do inexplicable stuff like somehow clog the sink on purpose and then complain to try to get a discount. You practically have to go in with a cattle prod to make them leave.

Black guests (80% of the walk-ins late at night): Obnoxiously rude, will do things like try to pay with gift cards and cash or bad credit cards and get angry and call you racist when you point out the company policy of requiring a valid CC at check-in. Often result in noise complaints. Most calls to the police are because of these guests. Sometimes leave some really crazy items in the rooms, like crack pipes and 5 used condoms. They'll smoke in the room and then get mad when you charged them for incidentals even though you made it very clear at check-in that all the rooms in the hotel are smoke-free.


It's totally the fault of the people coming in. The business was fine before they came in, so how the hell is it the fault of the business?

Here's where I mildly disagree. The function of a club is to meet people and all that. Speaking English is pretty much a requirement, and these clubs entire business runs on exclusivity. After all, a third of your patrons don't speak English, that would be doing a disservice to the people looking to hook up and all that. However, the hotel in question is banning on appearance (presumably) and national origin, and I don't know how to feel about that, considering the functions of a hotel.
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Damnnnnn the outside world is interesting
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Here's where I mildly disagree. The function of a club is to meet people and all that. Speaking English is pretty much a requirement, and these clubs entire business runs on exclusivity. After all, a third of your patrons don't speak English, that would be doing a disservice to the people looking to hook up and all that. However, the hotel in question is banning on appearance (presumably) and national origin, and I don't know how to feel about that, considering the functions of a hotel.


Whenever you're unable to communicate with one of your customers and they're doing risky things like obviously getting drunk or staying there a long time, you have heightened risk issues and increased liability. If you care about your business, you're going to try to minimize unnecessary risk and liability. You need to weigh the profits, costs, and those risks. With guests like those, who always seem to pay less than others, but who also result in more expenses than ordinary guests, it may not be worth it to even let them in.

During the busy times, especially during the summer, many people I've worked for just refuse to let them in. When it's slow season, maybe they'll take a gamble when they feel like it.

Nightclubs are busiest during Fridays and Saturdays and holidays. Most of the money is made from the drinks. The bartenders would need to be able to know what someone wants to drink in order to serve them efficiently. Lines get long REALLY fast, especially a few hours after the club opens and starts letting people in. I don't care if people want to hook up or not. It's not bringing in any business if there are a lot of complaints about sexual harassment, the bouncers and security guards are overwhelmed or doing a bad job, and all the female patrons leave so the number of guys coming in goes down as well.

The goal is to lure people in with decent ticket prices and music that doesn't suck, sell them a lot of drinks, and not get into any trouble. Having female patrons is good since it gets more guys to come in. If girls have a great time and your other patrons aren't doing too bad, either, more girls will come and more people will buy drinks.

Maybe I'd take the risk on weekdays, maybe not. I've bartended but I'm not an owner. Still, I can see from the owner's perspective since I've worked with friends who are deep in that scene. Been to my fair share of clubs as well.
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