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Posted 1/26/16

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That's baseless.


How so? Your apathetic viewpoint that no one should serve their country is one that if taken to the extreme would mean we'd all just go meh while our world burns, after all it isn't our job to save it according to you.


What I mean is if the worlds armies were reduced to missiles and the soldiers reassigned to police, the people would benefit from having maximum personal and boarder protection while threats of war would be purely diplomatic and exclusive to world leaders.

WW2 had a massive number of people dying for no reason, it should have been to gain territory but too much of it was purely about sending civilians out to kill and be killed for the job security of the powers that be, it wasn't until most of the major parties had the technology for mutually assured destruction that the world leaders started to care.
To put it another way I believe the only thing that ends and prevents wars is the selfish attitude of a tyrant recognising their own safety is in danger and the need to negotiate for peace.
Posted 1/26/16 , edited 1/26/16

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Here's where I mildly disagree. The function of a club is to meet people and all that. Speaking English is pretty much a requirement, and these clubs entire business runs on exclusivity. After all, a third of your patrons don't speak English, that would be doing a disservice to the people looking to hook up and all that. However, the hotel in question is banning on appearance (presumably) and national origin, and I don't know how to feel about that, considering the functions of a hotel.


Whenever you're unable to communicate with one of your customers and they're doing risky things like obviously getting drunk or staying there a long time, you have heightened risk issues and increased liability. If you care about your business, you're going to try to minimize unnecessary risk and liability. You need to weigh the profits, costs, and those risks. With guests like those, who always seem to pay less than others, but who also result in more expenses than ordinary guests, it may not be worth it to even let them in.

During the busy times, especially during the summer, many people I've worked for just refuse to let them in. When it's slow season, maybe they'll take a gamble when they feel like it.

Nightclubs are most bust during Fridays and Saturdays and holidays. Most of the money is made from the drinks. The bartenders would need to be able to know what someone wants to drink in order to serve them efficiently. Lines get long REALLY fast, especially a few hours after the club opens and starts letting people in. I don't care if people want to hook up or not. It's not bringing in any business if there are a lot of complaints about sexual harassment, the bouncers and security guards are overwhelmed or doing a bad job, and all the female patrons leave so the number of guys coming in goes down as well.

Maybe I'd take the risk on weekdays, maybe not.


That doesn't change the fact that the club is clearly discriminating against a group, especially an ethnic or racial group, that inherently has nothing to do with the functions of said establishment. I'm not talking about how to run a business, but talking about whether the discrimination is clearly warranted or not. Hotels aren't nightclubs. Nightclubs discriminate against people all the time for loads of reasons, which in general have to do with the very nature of the business. Attractive people. Presumably race ratios. Etc. I find this to be radically different than a hotel banning groups of ethnic, racial, age related, etc groups compared to nightclubs.


Although I suppose there is some justification. While it is true that "letting in X doesn't necessarily cause Y", it could also be said that "Banning X eliminates Y."
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That doesn't change the fact that the club is clearly discriminating against a group, especially an ethnic or racial group, that inherently has nothing to do with the functions of said establishment. I'm not talking about how to run a business, but talking about whether the discrimination is clearly warranted or not. Hotels aren't nightclubs. Nightclubs discriminate against people all the time for loads of reasons, which in general have to do with the very nature of the business. Attractive people. Presumably race ratios. Etc. I find this to be radically different than a hotel banning groups of ethnic, racial, age related, etc groups compared to nightclubs.


Hotels exist so you can rent a room and have a comfortable private place to sleep and shower. When people start interfering with other guests' ability to enjoy the hotel and make it hard for us to provide good service to such a degree that it's almost unsafe, we can kick them out. We are usually nice and provide several warnings, but we have a right to refuse service.

The problem is that once a guest pays for a room and they are clearly causing issues, but not issues big enough to warrant us giving them the boot right away, we have to endure it for the entire stay they paid for. For tour groups, that get a discounted rate per room, it's often not worth the trouble if you know the hotel will be full and you're going to be buried in complaints. And we obviously can't kick out an entire tour group. The front desk has to deal with all of them for the entire stay. Your front desk will HATE you for paying them so little while making them deal with so much bull.

Oh, yeah, and we sometimes ban groups of unruly teenagers, too. A lot of it really depends on how you conduct yourself at the front desk. If you're not nice and give off the impression that you're going to cause problems, we might not even want to deal with it. No skin off our backs if it's the busy season. There's no way we'll just let in every paying customer without considering how risky it will be to let them in. Our goal as a business doesn't cancel out the obligation of guests to conduct themselves acceptably.

You'll be glad to know that this usually is not a problem when the hotel is charging like $150+ per night. You get the issues I mentioned way more when you're running a motel that's charging $60 per night.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

That doesn't change the fact that the club is clearly discriminating against a group, especially an ethnic or racial group, that inherently has nothing to do with the functions of said establishment. I'm not talking about how to run a business, but talking about whether the discrimination is clearly warranted or not. Hotels aren't nightclubs. Nightclubs discriminate against people all the time for loads of reasons, which in general have to do with the very nature of the business. Attractive people. Presumably race ratios. Etc. I find this to be radically different than a hotel banning groups of ethnic, racial, age related, etc groups compared to nightclubs.


Hotels exist so you can rent a room and have a comfortable place to sleep and shower. When people start interfering with other guests' ability to enjoy the hotel and make it hard for us to provide good service to such a degree that it's almost unsafe, we can kick them out. We are usually nice and provide several warnings, but we have a right to refuse service.

The problem is that once a guest pays for a room and they are clearly causing issues, but not issues big enough to warrant us giving them the boot right away, we have to endure it for the entire stay they paid for.

Oh, yeah, and we sometimes ban groups of unruly teenagers, too. A lot of it really depends on how you conduct yourself at the front desk. If you're not nice and give off the impression that you're going to cause problems, we might not even want to deal with it. No skin off our backs if it's the busy season. There's no way we'll just let in every paying customer without considering how risky it will be to let them in.


But here's what I'm thinking. Is it reasonable to expect said crime based solely on race or ethnic origins? I was raised in the US, and here's what they had to say regarding said discrimination.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance


Hotels are considered places of public accommodations compared to night clubs, which are allowed to discriminate against said laws. Outright denying service based on factors in said public settings is illegal.


Being Chinese doesn't mean we're threatening anyone. That's absurd. Being threatening is threatening to people.


P.S. Don't know if LegalZoom is a reliable source, but that got that green certificate in the address bar, so I guess so?


Though I guess this is futile. We're arguing whether or not said discrimination is fair, which is really a back and forth argument if ya ask me.
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But here's what I'm thinking. Is it reasonable to expect said crime based solely on race or ethnic origins? I was raised in the US, and here's what they had to say regarding said discrimination.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance


Hotels are considered places of public accommodations compared to night clubs, which are allowed to discriminate against said laws. Outright denying service based on factors in said public settings is illegal.


Being Chinese doesn't mean we're threatening anyone. That's absurd. Being threatening is threatening to people.


Workplace laws are sometimes absurd. You can call someone a lying m*****f***er useless sack of a**holes whose dad probably fed lead to when he was 3, and you can some up with all manner of horrible insults and you'll be okay. But as soon as you mention their sex, age, or race, that's "discrimination." I got fired once for that crap. I actually did the research and told my manager to let me go since the guy would have a decent racial discrimination case against the company if they kept me there despite what I said.

Yeah, it's fine if you're Chinese and you're acting in an acceptable manner. But when you come in and start spitting everywhere and stand around in the parking lot to get hit by cars almost on purpose, I'm going to want to ask you to leave. These people make me not want to speak Chinese to them. They'll keep talking to me and interfering with my ability to do my job once I reveal that I can speak Chinese.

A lot of discrimination happens in spite of the laws. Attention is only brought to the cases when someone is determined enough to bring them to court. Discrimination isn't necessarily bad, anyway. You simply can't afford to keep taking the risk of letting everyone in.

Instead of asking if it's reasonable to expect someone to commit crime based on their appearance, you should be asking if it's reasonable for businesses to let everyone in despite the businesses' experiences. It's all about how you frame the question and what the focus is of denying people is on, if you ask me.
Posted 1/26/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

But here's what I'm thinking. Is it reasonable to expect said crime based solely on race or ethnic origins? I was raised in the US, and here's what they had to say regarding said discrimination.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance


Hotels are considered places of public accommodations compared to night clubs, which are allowed to discriminate against said laws. Outright denying service based on factors in said public settings is illegal.


Being Chinese doesn't mean we're threatening anyone. That's absurd. Being threatening is threatening to people.


Workplace laws are sometimes absurd. You can call someone a lying m*****f***er useless sack of a**holes whose dad probably fed lead to when he was 3, and you can some up with all manner of horrible insults and you'll be okay. But as soon as you mention their sex, age, or race, that's "discrimination." I got fired once for that crap. I actually did the research and told my manager to let me go since the guy would have a decent racial discrimination case against the company if they kept me there despite what I said.

Yeah, it's fine if you're Chinese and you're acting in an acceptable manner. But when you come in and start spitting everywhere and stand around in the parking lot to get hit by cars almost on purpose, I'm going to want to ask you to leave. These people make me not want to speak Chinese to them. They'll keep talking to me and interfering with my ability to do my job once I reveal that I can speak Chinese.

A lot of discrimination happens in spite of the laws. Attention is only brought to the cases when someone is determined enough to bring them to court. Discrimination isn't necessarily bad, anyway. You simply can't afford to keep taking the risk of letting everyone in.


Yeah, I guess you're right. Nice talking to you.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Nice talking to you.


Ditto. Thanks for not calling me a racist scumbag. I get that a lot.
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And so, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, and Polish is not allowed in those clubs as well?
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dang it but i wanted to go to a danish nightclub

my dreams are dashed... darn u Denmark
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I mean why would a refugee ever want to go to a nightclub.
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I mean why would a refugee ever want to go to a nightclub.


Pretty much this. I thought they would be trying to relocate their families? Does this even matter? Are the troublemakers actually refugees?
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A nightclub? The place where women wearing hardly any clothing go to get drunk and have casual sex? Hmm... I wonder why refugees are going there...
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eclair-lumiere wrote: The place where women wearing hardly any clothing go to get drunk and have casual sex? Hmm... I wonder why refugees are going there...
why you girls like that?
now I want to join islam -__-

Posted 1/27/16
Siden ingen Nordmenn egentlig kan snakke Dansk, betyr det at det ikke lenger er godt å være Norsk i Danmark? :'(
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Siden ingen Nordmenn egentlig kan snakke Dansk, betyr det at det ikke lenger er godt å være Norsk i Danmark? :'(
Nein.

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why you girls like that?
now I want to join islam -__-





Not all of us are like that. I'm not. But a lot of guys are like that too. There's men looking for casual sex in them clubs. And in the religion of Islam, women are just slaves.
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