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Obviously, everyone here is an atheist. But what is the best argument you've heard in favor of the Christian God (or any other god or gods)? Have you heard any that you found convincing? Literally every argument I've ever heard for the existence of God was either flimsy philosophy or based on some false refutation of science that made it seem like a creator would be needed (never mind that such a creator, if it existed, would likely bear no resemblance to any deity conceived of by religion).
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There are many arguments for God's existence, but most of them have the same logical structure, which is the basic structure of any deductive argument. First, there is 'a major premise, or general principle. Then, a minor premise states some particular data in our experience that come under that principle. Finally, the conclusion follows from applying the general principle to the particular case.


Some will ask how the Universe just "happened by chance."

Any reasonable atheist doesn't believe that the Universe just "happened by chance." They, or at least I, believe that it just has always been here. It is eternal, always has been, always will be.

If you ask, "Well, who started the Big Bang?", then I'll refer you to the Oscillating Universe Theory, the theory that the Universe will eventually collapse in on itself. Gravity will pull everything back toward the center, and when the incomprehensible amounts of gravity given off by all the mass in the Universe begin to localize back at the center, the process will accelerate, eventually slamming the Universe back together at a single point so dense that it will spontaneously fission, and explode, making another Big Bang. This process has always gone on and will always go on.

Most of the people who's minds don't change use anecdotal evidence, there's literally not a "good" argument for something existing that literally doesn't exist.

The most rational and sensible position is to simply withhold belief and remain an atheist. The existence of a god hasn't been demonstrated to be so important that we should try to believe absent sound empirical reasons.

Even if the existence of god is really important, that's not a reason to reduce our standards; if anything, that's a reason to demand higher standards of evidence and logic.

Should any Christian who reads this persist in defending their god through means of “divine transcendence” and “faith,” and should any Christian call me an atheist fool, I will be forced to invoke the wrath of the Invisible Pink Unicorn:

“You are a fool for denying the existence of the IPU. You have rejected true faith and have relied on your feeble powers of human reason and thus arrogantly denied the existence of Her Divine Transcendence, and so are you condemned.”

If such arguments are good enough for Yahweh, they are good enough for Her Invisible Pinkness.

As for me and my house, we shall choose reality.
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I can't say that I know of any good arguments for the existence of god. The idea that anything exists boggles my mind, regardless of why or by what mechanism: introducing the idea of god does absolutely nothing to make existence easier to accept.

So to me, there is no good argument. Generally, arguments for god are based in emotion - people believe because it makes them feel good to believe.

Even if there was a good argument, well, I don't think I'd believe. I'd keep believing there isn't a god more out of hope than anything. Hopefully I won't sound too edgy here, but if the Christian God (for example) were to exist, I couldn't stand him. I'd want nothing to do with him.
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I can't say that I know of any good arguments for the existence of god. The idea that anything exists boggles my mind, regardless of why or by what mechanism: introducing the idea of god does absolutely nothing to make existence easier to accept.

So to me, there is no good argument. Generally, arguments for god are based in emotion - people believe because it makes them feel good to believe.

Even if there was a good argument, well, I don't think I'd believe. I'd keep believing there isn't a god more out of hope than anything. Hopefully I won't sound too edgy here, but if the Christian God (for example) were to exist, I couldn't stand him. I'd want nothing to do with him.


I agree with you 100% this particular god is a special kind of psychopathic mass murdering disgusting creature
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Schmooples wrote:

I can't say that I know of any good arguments for the existence of god. The idea that anything exists boggles my mind, regardless of why or by what mechanism: introducing the idea of god does absolutely nothing to make existence easier to accept.

So to me, there is no good argument. Generally, arguments for god are based in emotion - people believe because it makes them feel good to believe.

Even if there was a good argument, well, I don't think I'd believe. I'd keep believing there isn't a god more out of hope than anything. Hopefully I won't sound too edgy here, but if the Christian God (for example) were to exist, I couldn't stand him. I'd want nothing to do with him.


I agree with you 100% this particular god is a special kind of psychopathic mass murdering disgusting creature


Yeah, takes a really special "good guy" to make the "bad guy" seem amazing.

But even aside from much of what that god is credited that can pretty easily be seen as vile (punishing everyone for one mistake by one person, killing entire races and cities, flooding the Earth with the intent to kill everything) I just can't get behind something like a creator god. To me, though many will disagree, it seems basely immoral to create in the way that god supposedly did. And the idea that everything hinges on that one being grates against me in a way I can't really explain.

So I think I share your views, but also have a weirder stance below it - even subtracting the bad, the very idea of such a being disgusts me. I guess I'm misotheistic to an extreme or something.
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