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Do you believe we'll ever stop death?
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namealreadytaken wrote:
and so far we didn't find a single planet nearby that is habitable. that's also a fact.
at most, there are planets that could theoretically be in the right conditions for life, but life outside was never confimed, and the most promising planets are several hundred (possibly thousands of) light years away from us.

On the time-scales discussed, it's not terribly difficult to make a planet of the correct size habitable.

While we currently lack the engineering capacity, the concept of how to adjust a planets orbit is very simple. Transferal of kinetic energy between a Jupiter-sized body and an Earth-sized by slingshotting asteroids between the two bodies. Each round trip would transfer a small amount of kinetic energy from one and transfer it to the other. The Jupiter-sized body would suffer only a miniscule change in its orbit while allowing for significant adjustment of the Earth-sized body.

The hard part will be finding a tectonically active planet with a coherent magnetic field and a thin enough atmospheric envelope. Baring that, we'll be looking at space stations and Dyson clouds.

Distance is a non-factor for certain forms of immortality. Uploaded copies, for example, are not going to care if thousands of years pass; they are inactive during the trip. Only after the ship has arrived at its destination and suitable preparations are made would those copies be downloaded back into biological or android bodies.

Alternatively: we construct massive computers (possibly planet sized, drawing on a significant portion of their host stars total output) and upload all of humanity into endless Simulations were even the laws of physics are defined by the user. Everything from strict historical reproductions to the most extreme sci-fi fantasy settings become possible. Availability of habitable planets is a non-issue.

Interestingly: the Simulation Argument poses the above as one of only three possible futures for the human race and further states that, if true, it is a near mathematical certainty that it has already happened and we are currently living in a Simulation.

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Dariamus wrote:upload all of humanity


the day we find a way to upload ourselves to the anime world...that will be a happy day indeed. ^^
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Someone here thinks it's a wonderful idea for even our skin cells to be unable to die and shed? Somehow, I find it hard to believe that those who may be able to "get rid of death" would consider it a good idea, once they really consider how important death is for even the simplest of things.
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mmmmyeaaa NO!
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aeb0717 wrote:

Someone here thinks it's a wonderful idea for even our skin cells to be unable to die and shed? Somehow, I find it hard to believe that those who may be able to "get rid of death" would consider it a good idea, once they really consider how important death is for even the simplest of things.


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In a way.
I believe that in the future we'll be able to map a brain and transfer a copy into a "brain bank".
they won't be alive but the person that exited at the point of time will remain the same, stuck in their thoughts of whatever they were thinking when they were scanned and never change or even learn about their new home.
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Even if they do find a way to stop it, I wouldn't do it and would kill myself before they force me to do it.
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byClear wrote:

Even if they do find a way to stop it, I wouldn't do it and would kill myself before they force me to do it.


Whoa, I don't think they will force anyone. Actually, I believe there would be fighting for immortality. I'd take it to be fair. I also think one day we'll get there. Maybe not for a long time after we are gone, but we will make it. I also suspect we will have colonies on other planets. Heck, maybe we'll figure out how to expand the life time of the universe. The technology of today seems like magic to the people of a few centuries ago. The future's tech will probably make my eyes bug out.

The whole immortality thing does present a small population problem, but I think there should be a rule about only letting immortals have children if they stop being immortal; giving up a seat on the bus so to speak.
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Yes, by 2045 if everything goes right, we should have the technological advancement to be able to prolong life, I wouldn't fully say be immortal, but at least expand are life by hundreds of years. Which would be quite amazing.

Sometimes I do just fell like dying, but if I could be immortal, life would have more point to it. You wouldn't have to see your accomplishments turn to ash.
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namealreadytaken wrote:


Dariamus wrote:upload all of humanity


the day we find a way to upload ourselves to the anime world...that will be a happy day indeed. ^^


Might be quite possible, but you would be living in a program. You would most likely be uploading your memories and thoughts to a program, however the actual you might not survive, but your new conscious, can most definitely enjoy it.
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There are studies in extended the cells livelyhood by attempting to prolong the lifespan of genom that decides its number of available regeneration.

but immortality is a stupid idea. if i didn't know i could die i would go insane.
you wouldn't feel hunger, pain, happiness, thirst. you would need nothing.
you would sit, and just be, without purpose or desire.

and memory banks are even more idiotic than that.
it's like irl heaven, a dull place to just be and nothing more. And it would have to increase in storage space the more peoples minds were uploaded/copy pasted.
wouldn't even be you.
memory transfer is like cloning. it looks and feels and acts like you. but it isn't you. it is a copy.
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I think we'll live longer & cure more illnesses plus have means to preserve organs better and easier transplants. I think stopping death out right is impossible. It would take unimaginable power to break the cycle of life, even of it could, it would be like hell on earth. No meat cos animals wouldn't die, people left unable to live but unable to die. People would get away with so much crime & very little rule.
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byClear wrote:

Even if they do find a way to stop it, I wouldn't do it and would kill myself before they force me to do it.

With biological immortality, the "right to die" will become very important.

Discussions on the issue by Robert A. Heinlein's character, Lazarus Long, are one of reasons Heinlein remains one of my favorite actors.

I highly recommend Time Enough for Love, among the author's other works.


DalekCaan wrote:

I think we'll live longer & cure more illnesses plus have means to preserve organs better and easier transplants. I think stopping death out right is impossible. It would take unimaginable power to break the cycle of life, even of it could, it would be like hell on earth. No meat cos animals wouldn't die, people left unable to live but unable to die. People would get away with so much crime & very little rule.

Why would you make livestock biologically immortal? Why would you render a person incapable of dying?

Technologically granted immortality is simply a means to an end. The goal is to live until you choose to die, not to remove death completely.


djgamer2012 wrote:

Yes, by 2045 if everything goes right, we should have the technological advancement to be able to prolong life, I wouldn't fully say be immortal, but at least expand are life by hundreds of years. Which would be quite amazing.

It would also provide hundreds of years for technology to find ways to further extend life.

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No.
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We can probably stop death by old age but invincibility will probably never happen. Either you or sombody else is going to do somthing stupid some day and you're going to be killed by it.

I personally plan to live till I'm 1000. Hopefully I'll see the turn of the new millenium.
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