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Posted 1/31/16 , edited 2/1/16
Reminds me of the time when King Digital tried to trademark the word Candy and Saga
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Right so basically I don't really think it's as bad as everyone is suggesting, or at least was genuinely done with good intentions. The main thing people are saying is 'why make a reaction video where you give some of the profit to the Fine Bros when you could make one without their format, and thus without giving them profit?' etc. etc.

The problem with this is that people seem to be forgetting that content not made with their format will (a solid 95% of the time) get absolutely minimal views, and thus no money to begin with... if people use the React formats or whatever, sure they'll have to give the Fine Bros some of the profit, but it's extremely likely they'll get significantly more views than if they made it independently, and thus they'll actually MAKE a profit to begin with

I do think that, even if I don't think it is a particular problem, the backlash should be enough of a reason for them to stop React World now and just apologise or whatever, and stop the damage before it's too late. However, what I don't understand is the unsubscribers... why would you unsubscribe from seeing content you clearly enjoy watching (else you wouldn't have subscribed in the first place) just because you disagree with a move they've made? You're affecting your own enjoyment far more than you are the Fine Bros (or whoever you're unsubscribing from, in any context). This is the same thing as what happened with the paid-mods-on-Steam fiasco that happened a while ago, when people kept saying stuff like 'uninstalling all of ____'s mods' WHY WOULD YOU DO THESE THINGS?! As I just said, you're the only one really affected by such actions.

tl;dr basically yeah the Fine Bros should probably just stop what they're doing now, but I genuinely believe that it was a move done with good intentions
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I thought two things when I first saw this:

1. Is this a hoax?

2. Are they just probing for a reaction from the broader YouTube community, or maybe even the internet in general, to a fake story? Sort of a "The Internet Reacts To" video as it were.

So I went over to the US patent and trademark office's website to search the information up directly. I found trademarks for phrases like "Celebrities React" and "Adults React". It's a thing.

So, what can people do about it? As I understand it trademarks only kick in if you use the phrase or image that is trademarked. Hypothetically you could get around these guys' trademarks and keep making reaction videos by simply changing up your title a bit and making sure your presentation is visibly distinct. Say you call yours "Grandpa Tries To Use A BluRay Player" and film an older gentleman doing just that: trying to work a BluRay player. You could make a whole series of "Grandpa Tries to" videos, I suppose. And so long as you didn't use any of the assets from the Fine Bros.' videos and didn't do exactly what they do, I think that might be it for the whole discussion. They'd bite their thumbs, say "Damn, we didn't convince one of them to join our multichannel network and give us a cut of their money", and that would be it. Well, they wouldn't really since someone else would come along and join in your place, which is why they're doing it. But you know what I mean.

So they're engaging in some questionable (but legal) business practices that probably make sense on their end, but they're doing it in a way such that they can apparently be completely avoided if it doesn't make sense on others'. Avoid them if it doesn't make sense to join them.
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i cant really form an opinion on this
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They uploaded a new video last night trying to explain any misunderstanding.

https://youtu.be/0t-vuI9vKfg

It still didn't go so well...

I don't think they meant any harm to come from this. They just really didn't think this through.
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Remember guys, don't use stick figures in your videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Zr7c-J6qE

In case you find this confusing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPnaAt-Rbs
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/43bqa1/lets_not_just_yell_about_the_react_trademark_lets/czh3w9f

nah, sounds pretty scummy to me.

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I can see why they're getting all the hate and negativity and i myself dont really agree with what they're trying to do.
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I'm more on the side that their intentions were good, but they didn't think anything through. I agree with Boogie2988's video. It may have looked like a great idea on paper and sounds great, but with how they said things it came off wrong. For all we know it may end up being a good thing, we just to have to wait and see how they handle it. I would like to trust them, but I'm gonna remain cautious
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I honestly think we shouldn't put all the blame on the swine bros, but also on Fullscreen who is their parent company. Since it's probably they who wanted this


FruitPunchSamurai987 wrote:

If someone can patent this...what else could be patented?


Well Apple owns a patent for rounded corners on phones, to every phone company using a rounded corner will have to pay a small fee to use corners... You should really research patent trolls and patent farming
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The Fine Bros have always been assholes.

https://youtu.be/N-tpIksy5UQ


Published on Oct 19, 2014
The FineBros filed a fraudulent DMCA claim against me. I filed a counter notification. I won. FineBros got FineFucked. Read on...

I even had the whole "This is fair use, blah blah blah" bit in the description, quoting all the fair use clauses. Yeah that shit doesn't matter. So instead of using this space to declare that this video falls under legally protected parody, I'll use it to call the FineBros on their shit.

Youtube acts as a mediator between copyright holders and those accused of violating copyright. But make no mistake, they're just mediators. DMCA takedowns are a legal process, and the FineBros (technically their company Fullscreen Inc.) kicked off that legal process by flagging my video. People whose videos are flagged can file counter-notifications using Youtube as the platform.

After I filed my counter-notification, a ten day countdown started ticking down. At the end of those ten days one of two things had to happen.

Possibility 1: Fullscreen Inc. sues me. This is an unattractive option for them, because this video was clearly parody and that would've stood up in court, and additionally it would've been a tremendous waste of time and money for them to litigate. Remember, this is a company we're dealing with, and all companies have one thing in sight at the end of the day: their bottom lines.

Possibility 2: My video goes back up automatically. If my counter-claim is unchallenged, then they forfeit their DMCA claim, and they tacitly acknowledge that I am not in violation of their copyright. This is what wound up happening.

From speaking with some other Youtube channel people and judging by these comments, Fullscreen Inc. and the FineBros. have a history of copyright bullying people who use their footage in satirical parodies, but never sue anybody.

There are two takeaways from this. Firstly, these guys are cunts. Seriously, they're just using the copyright system to get ten free days of parodies not being live, banking on the possibility that the uploader won't file a counter-claim or that they might delete the video in the hopes their copyright strike will be removed (it doesn't work that way). Secondly, it means you should not be afraid to upload FineBros. parodies. The worst they can do is temporarily take your video down for 10 days.
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Next up, the FineBros react to getting their ass kicked!
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Well, what if I wrote a Harry Potter book and published it on my own, and not with the permission of the original author?

What if I made a T.V. show called "Is The Price Right?", where contestants are randomly drawn from the audience, and have to win a chance to be on stage to play a series of games where they have to guess the price of various products?

What if I wrote a song called, "I Am Certain I Can Soar"

and the lyrics were:

I used to belive that I couldn't go forward
And life was naught but an awful melody
But now I know the meaning of true amoure
I'm leaning on the everlasting limbs
If I can visualize it, then I can accomplish it
If I just become certain of it, there's naught to it
I am certain I can soar
I am certain I can reach the sky
I am certain it nightly and daily
spread my wings and soar for hours
I am certain I can fly
I see me running through that open portal
I am certain I can soar
I am certain I can soar
I am certain I can soar

Or what if I made a Youtube video called, "Respond". A show, in which I show a panel of goofy teens or codgety old farts a clip of some show, or whatever, and ask them to give me their responses to what they've just seen.....

Wouldn't all of that be considered "Copy Right Infringement?"

So, how can anyone advocate "Just make your own "React" show?

It makes perfect sense for them to ask viewers to contribute in their Copy Righted format, and it is generous of them to pay their fan-artists for contributing content to their show.

Consider all of the fan-art, fan-fiction, fan-made videos of Naruto, etc. The original artists permit it, but do not pay the fan-artists, and the fan-artists are not paid for their fan-art, but the fan-artists attribute the inspiration of their fan-made work to original artists. However, there are times, when the original artists ask that the fan-made version of their original work be taken down (happened a lot to fan-subbers).

So, these guys are inviting fan-artists to contribute to their show, AND get paid to do it. Where's the wrong in that?



Parodies are a whole other arena. You can do parodies with no problems. I just wanted to throw that in, and yes I agree that we have Fair Use rights.

My argument is about flat out copying and then claiming artistic ownership of it. If you're going to copy another artist's concept and idea and say it's your original work, that's wrong, but if you make your own concept and post it,

For example, If you made a show about showing a panel a clip, and then you asked them to debate the pros and cons of it, that is way different, then just seeing an initial reaction to the clip.

I hope I clear up any misunderstanding I might have caused with my original argument.
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Because the Fine Bros. aren't making a claim to any specific work.


They are making a claim to an entire format.


It would be like if you wrote a Fantasy novel with wizards, and J.K. Rolling sued you over it.
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maxgale wrote:





Because the Fine Bros. aren't making a claim to any specific work.


They are making a claim to an entire format.


It would be like if you wrote a Fantasy novel with wizards, and J.K. Rolling sued you over it.




Yes. I agree with you. That would be wrong of J.K. Rolling. No one would be able to make a work that contained wizards, Trolls, Orcs, Dwarves, or Elves if the owners of Lord of The Rings stopped everyone else from doing so.

I was thinking that it was a direct copy of their concept. Which is to show kids or elderlies or some other demographic a thing, and then getting their initial reactions. Like making a "Price is Right" clone. Making a "game show" that is a "Price is Right" clone can get you sued for infringement, but making up your own "game show" should not get Bob Barker to sue you for making a "game show."
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Okay, so what exactly should I be mad about? It seems they're just branding a certain type of react video versus a simple "my reaction to this" videos.


From my current knowledge they are taking their shows and through react world, letting people make versions of them to distribute on the site.

My main issue is this:

If you care so much about building a "community" why not make a program that helps fund and support the creation of other smaller reaction channels instead of making something that pushes them into a set format and take part of whatever pay there is from them?

To be fair, they released an update video addressing issues of confusion, and while they answered some questions, they didn't answer all. They did leave an email open to have people ask their own questions about the issue, but i'm just going to assume that its full of spam...
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