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Can someone here perhaps tell me why Windows 10 is so bad?
I've read and heard many rumors, with a debunk rate of no less than 100%, but noone could tell me any other valid reason than "This here program I bought in 1985 won't work with Windows 10". (Well then, isn't it time you looked for an update to that program then, pops?)
System requirements? Haven't changed at all since Windows 7, any Windows 7 capable PC can run Windows 10.

I've been running Windows 10 since it was in beta, everything I use my pc for works fine, I don't experience loss in performance nor any instabilities and my machine runs for weeks at a time without shutting down or rebooting.

Before long Windows 7 and 8 will also stop receiving updates completely, putting your computer at even greater risk.

Now tell me again, why won't you upgrade your PC?
People don't think twice to ram the update button when their Android and/or Apple device tells them there's an update to their operating system, or accept without question the loss of functions when they don't.
But when Microsoft offers a full upgrade to their operating system, for free, it is bad?

The broken down version.

I'm not upgrading because I don't want to upgrade.

My trust in Windows is shattered.

When support for 7 is discontinued, I will invest in a macbook until I have enough money to build my own computer in which I'm considering running Linux with.
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George_z wrote: Can someone here perhaps tell me why Windows 10 is so bad?

Now tell me again, why won't you upgrade your PC?
People don't think twice to ram the update button when their Android and/or Apple device tells them there's an update to their operating system, or accept without question the loss of functions when they don't.
But when Microsoft offers a full upgrade to their operating system, for free, it is bad?

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About the phone/tablet look argument, Microsoft actually took a large leap back from that with this OS. It's completely customizable. You're lucky to have skipped Windows 8(.1) which pretty much forced that Look and Feel on you.
Sure it's still there, but unlike it's predecessor, you do not need third party applications (Classic Shell) to get the old Windows Look and Feel back.
1st off, can't trust Microsoft at this point and what they do to hold everything in their hands or gain from it.
like the Beta is way more a "ea" for some to test out how good it are and where it goes wrong.

As I know many... many had issues with it (though everything would be fine with an upgrade) most I have heard repeated times is anit-viruses going on/off by its own "will".. having issues with using/downloading programs
and for me the most is like games that it would run (as it have had known issues with games in general some exp much worse while few got a bit of an + side but not by much)


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My trust in Windows is shattered.

When support for 7 is discontinued, I will invest in a macbook until I have enough money to build my own computer in which I'm considering running Linux with.
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Yeah, I'd like them to force people to use Windows 10, too. I don't have Windows 10, yet, and I'm all for it. As a web designer, all I can say is that it's about time. If you don't like it, switch to Mac, or Linux.

Windows 10 isn't the new Windows Vista. You would have to be incredibly ignorant to not realize that Windows Vista was Windows XP with a makeover, just like Windows 8 was Windows 7 with a makeover. Windows 10 is to Windows 7, the way Windows 7 is to Windows XP. This isn't even up for debate. If you don't get it, you're ignorant, period.

The reason why Microsoft is pushing this is due to new technology that allows for extracting the virtual world into reality, which is incredibly useful for mapping, in the most general sense imaginable. Bill talked about this in 2007 already, albeit vaguely: https://youtu.be/wvhW8cp15tk?t=1h24m48s. Shoving older operative systems off the market will boost progress in internet communication (and design) considerably. Right now, the W3 is a mess, and with this, it can finally compile to a more comprehensible list.
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Back in November, I bought a notebook/tablet that had Windows 10 installed by default. Upon starting it I had a lot of problems with how retarded it looks for an operating system. "Apps", seriously?

Anyways, my dad asked me to give it a chance, and I did. I used it for a month or so and found nothing good about it. It was difficult to navigate for one. And yet, that's not my worst problem with it.

I had a problem with my tablet and had to exchange it with a new one, and they needed access to the computer. No problem, rite? I just give them the password to the com- OH WAIT THAT'S RIGHT. It almost forces you to use your Microsoft account to log onto your computer, and I didn't even know you could make an unattached account until after I had exchanged it. Without access to Internet at the store, I had no way to make an unattached account, and therefore no choice but to give who knows how many employees access to not only the computer, but my entire Microsoft account, the one I use for Xbox Live among other things.

If you got Windows 10 and used a Microsoft account to log in, I hope you never have to get maintenance on your computer because you're giving them access to your email account too.

I am currently trying to upgrade to a copy of Windows 8 I bought, but I've run into the dilemma that my tablet does not have the internal storage space for two operating systems. I am still looking for a way to upgrade in the time I have when not busy with work or school.


Before you downgrade to Windows 10, you should note that I spent $70 and countless hours doing my best to get away from it. Save yourself the pain.
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I ended up upgrading to Windows 10 per my prerogative earlier this week, expecting security updates and such to end soon on Windows 7.

I don't like it. The operating systems works fun and I don't dislike it--it feels like Windows 7 with a slightly different GUI. What i don't like is the reason why I suspect Windows 10 is a thing and is free: it just feels like Microsoft's ongoing floundering of trying to create a phone-tablet-computer ecosystem and still failing to realize why people still don't care about Microsoft phones. They were a little too late in the market, and the forced upgrade to Windows 10 is likely about trying to bring multimedia services front in center (e.g., the MS Store icon being in the start menu by default--in fact, the entire right side of the start menu feels like one giant advertisement). Which isn't to say Windows 10 is bad as much as it is compromised. I'm sure there's some overall improvements on the technical end that I probably don't notice since Windows 7 ran pretty well as is. But, if Windows 10 is a part of Microsoft trying to create a phone-tablet computer ecosystem, I'd really appreciate they stopped trying (and failing).


That is exactly the point behind lose-dows 10. To watch what you do on your computer, and send you advertisements based on what you've been doing. If you're on Windows 10, shut down your browser. Then go to your Start menu, and do a search for something, as if you were searching for a file in your hard drive. Do a few searches, and you'll start seeing the advertisements come back at you based on stuff you were searching for. That's just one example.

Plus, the license (EULA) that you have to agree to in order for it to install and run, you agree to let MS look at the contents of your hard drive. Based on what they find, they'll "send you helpful information that will make your Windows experience better." Advertisements for example, and by the way, if they happen to discover that you've been torrenting stuff, they have the right to tell the license holder about it. So that you can get a letter from an attorney telling you to..... They'll even do their civic duty and send info to the appropriate government agency if you have stuff on your hard drive that you shouldn't have.

It's in the EULA.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/2/1408113/-Windows-10-comes-with-built-in-spyware-If-your-work-requires-confidentiality-DO-NOT-INSTALL

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.html

http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/96713/how-does-windows-10-allow-microsoft-to-spy-on-you

http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-can-automatically-disable-pirated-games-unauthorized-hardware-your-windows-10-pc
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Hrafna wrote: The reason why Microsoft is pushing this is due to new technology that allows for extracting the virtual world into reality, which is incredibly useful for mapping, in the most general sense imaginable. Bill talked about this in 2007 already, albeit vaguely: https://youtu.be/wvhW8cp15tk?t=1h24m48s. Shoving older operative systems off the market will boost progress in internet communication (and design) considerably. Right now, the W3 is a mess, and with this, it can finally compile to a more comprehensible list.
sure things get outdated and things has to be improved but the way they do it and such (even knowing that the system isn't even stable for a good chunk of people/their users) just feels like they are being major ass..holes..and that they would most likely not tell you (the user about this).

selenetiana wrote: Back in November, I bought a notebook/tablet that had Windows 10 installed by default. Upon starting it I had a lot of problems with how retarded it looks for an operating system. "Apps", seriously?

Anyways, my dad asked me to give it a chance, and I did. I used it for a month or so and found nothing good about it. It was difficult to navigate for one. And yet, that's not my worst problem with it.

Before you downgrade to Windows 10, you should note that I spent $70 and countless hours doing my best to get away from it. Save yourself the pain.



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George_z wrote:

Can someone here perhaps tell me why Windows 10 is so bad?
I've read and heard many rumors, with a debunk rate of no less than 100%, but noone could tell me any other valid reason than "This here program I bought in 1985 won't work with Windows 10". (Well then, isn't it time you looked for an update to that program then, pops?)
System requirements? Haven't changed at all since Windows 7, any Windows 7 capable PC can run Windows 10.

I've been running Windows 10 since it was in beta, everything I use my pc for works fine, I don't experience loss in performance nor any instabilities and my machine runs for weeks at a time without shutting down or rebooting.

Before long Windows 7 and 8 will also stop receiving updates completely, putting your computer at even greater risk.

Now tell me again, why won't you upgrade your PC?
People don't think twice to ram the update button when their Android and/or Apple device tells them there's an update to their operating system, or accept without question the loss of functions when they don't.
But when Microsoft offers a full upgrade to their operating system, for free, it is bad?

[edit]
About the phone/tablet look argument, Microsoft actually took a large leap back from that with this OS. It's completely customizable. You're lucky to have skipped Windows 8(.1) which pretty much forced that Look and Feel on you.
Sure it's still there, but unlike it's predecessor, you do not need third party applications (Classic Shell) to get the old Windows Look and Feel back.


Windows 10 isn't bad in and of itself, it's just not for everyone. Some people just want to stick to what they currently have because it's familiar to them. Some people aren't fond of change, after all. I've also heard some stories from people who use their computers for things like photo editing, video editing, etc, and the programs they use just aren't compatible with Windows 10. Not every program is suited to every OS. For example, old games. In most cases for old games, there just isn't an update. They were designed to be played on older OS's. Can you imagine not having access to something you need or want? Personally, I won't be updating until absolutely necessary. I like my setup the way it is now. And an 8gig download is a bit much. (My ISP has this stupid 15gig data limit for the whole house.)
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I apologize. I didn't see your post prior to my post because of the time I took writing it.


George_z wrote:

Can someone here perhaps tell me why Windows 10 is so bad?


The best answer I can give you is that it's Microsoft's attempt to mimic the idiotic simplicity and lack of functionality you get with a Mac. Whereas options and preferences were plainly available to find prior to Windows 10, it is now very difficult. There are multiple features I can't figure out how to disable, and it took me a month to find the full sound options. Windows 10 is not an upgrade- it offers nothing new of any value and hides things that were easily reachable before. I think the only reason they didn't completely wipe the options is because they knew people would not tolerate it if they did.
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Win 10 isn't that bad people, frankly I prefer it over 8.1.


frankly, id prefer gorilla buttsex over 8.1
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George_z wrote:

Can someone here perhaps tell me why Windows 10 is so bad?



Read the EULA. Read the analysis done on the EULA. Then you'll understand.

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If your just playing games and using the internet why not upgrade to 10 the adds are easy enough to ignore and the ui is just win7 in black with a few live tiles. Cortana is however useless. I'ts basicly just a bing search bar with your programs and files attached. The new webbrowser is ok. It's on par with firefox if you don't have any addons that you like say adblocker or a Gintama skin.
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Most of the issues I'm reading here aren't actually with the OS, but having issue with Microsoft.
As Hrafna aptly sais above me, you're free to move over to Apple, just know that Apple is no different from Microsoft in that regard, they too will "force" their updates on you and at certain points tell you that if you do not that certain things will stop working.

As for Linux, have fun with that one! That's all I'll say about it.

Now for the little privacy issue, just try to fathom what Google alone knows about you. And then think of all the other social media you use.
If you want true privacy you'll probably have to move to a cave somewhere in a dense forest in Siberia.
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George_z wrote:
Can someone here perhaps tell me why Windows 10 is so bad?

here's a very well circulated picture consisting of many terms and agreements.
http://puu.sh/jX1sb/7023ec215c.jpg
reading the parts, it should be self-evident why people want to stay away from it.

edit:
Apple "forcing" updates: the jailbreaking community will have to disagree with you on that one.
they just don't let people downgrade to a previous OS. and yes, that's different.

and linux has come a long way. granted, it's not the best for gaming, but for productive tasks, it's a solid OS
(and by linux, i of course mean the many distributions such as ubuntu, gentoo, etc)
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George_z wrote:

Most of the issues I'm reading here aren't actually with the OS, but having issue with Microsoft.
As Hrafna aptly sais above me, you're free to move over to Apple, just know that Apple is no different from Microsoft in that regard, they too will "force" their updates on you and at certain points tell you that if you do not that certain things will stop working.

As for Linux, have fun with that one! That's all I'll say about it.

Now for the little privacy issue, just try to fathom what Google alone knows about you. And then think of all the other social media you use.
If you want true privacy you'll probably have to move to a cave somewhere in a dense forest in Siberia.


to me, its not about what they know, its the attitude. MS wants you to accept that they will spy on your hard drive and share information with whoever they chose (and maybe whoever pays them). google has been on the other side of the privacy arguement.

and linux, yeah. i love linux, but its not ready for main stream. it can work, tho. i ran a linux machine for a long time and never really missed windows.
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Still using 7. I will use this until my computer dies and/or the OS becomes so obsolete that the performance ain't worth shit anymore.

8 was shit. 10 I hear is shittier.

It prompts me to update, but I click no, every damn time. If they force it on me, the motherfuckers better be prepared to give me back my old data, and my old OS. I will complain till they do.

I swear, if 10 is like 8, I'm just switching to Linux or something less of a pain in the ass. Macs are too expensive, and so are their software, much as I'd love to have one, it's just too costly, but if MS' systems worsen with every passing update or OS then I will really have no choice but to switch to an alternate, which would be less painful than having to deal with the crappy new 'features'.

8's tile design apple mimicry was an abomination and nightmare to me, difficult to navigate, nowhere near as effective as they claimed, it was just.. jarring. And I tired myself out trying to get the 'old style' 7 layout back when using what ended up becoming my mother's 8 desktop, to no full avail.

Urghhhh. Stop it, Microsoft. Stop it. Before you churn out the new generation version of fucking Vista.
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