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Post Reply You must convert to windows 10
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Posted 2/3/16 , edited 2/3/16
Well, I don't know what you're talking about, so I'll just 'Find in page' Information and look for anything that might be relevant.

Significantly, applications do not only access the information about a given user that has added the application. Applications by default get much of the information about that user's friends and network members that the user can see. So without any action from a user, an individual that has never joined any applications will have their information sent to the third party application when their friends or associates in their networks join.
Third party applications.


In September of 2007, Facebook introduced public search listings. Previously, only Facebook members could search Facebook for other users. Now, non-members will be able to search. Further, major search engines such as yahoo and Goggle will index the public search listings. The listing shows a limited amount of information such as name, profile picture, and Friends.

This change exposes Facebook members to the general Internet. The information was exposed without the explicit permission of Facebook users. The change was announced via the Facebook blog, and users were given about 30 days to opt-out before the information reached major search engines.
Okay? This is no different than any other social networking site. I could find my old myspace account with a google search. I can find my family member's dating site account with a google search.


Facebook's Beacon advertising system was also launched in November of 2007. Beacon is similar to social ads in that it broadcasts a user's interaction with an advertiser to the feeds of that user's friends. However, Beacon is broadcasting information from third party websites such as Overstock.com, or Ebay. Facebook promises advertisers that all they need to do is "[a]dd 3 lines of code and reach millions of users." The advertisers determine which user actions on their website -- such as adding a movie to queue, or purchasing an item, or signing up for the site -- will generate feed messages.

As originally designed, users were given a brief time-limited alert which gave them the ability to opt-out of each message. As launched, the application did not permit a global opt out and did not require an affirmative opt-in before each message was broadcast.

Following protests, Facebook added two user controls to Beacon. First, users would be asked to affirmatively opt-in before a new site sent messages to their friends. Once they approved one message from that site, no further opt-ins were required. Secondly, CEO Mark Zuckerbereg announced that Facebook will allow users to globally opt-out of Beacon, preventing all message publication.

A security researcher published an examination of Beacon's data flow, "Facebook's Misrepresentation of Beacon's Threat to Privacy: Tracking users who opt out or are not logged in." The analysis shows that the Beacon system transmits information from all users of the third party site to Facebook, whether they are Facebook members, members who have opted out of Beacon ads, or never have been Facebook members. Facebook represents that it deletes the data if it cannot associate it with a Facebook member.
I'm assuming you're talking about this. And yah, I guess that is pretty shitty.

Edit: Forgot to tag you. Oops.
Source is https://epic.org/privacy/facebook/ for anyone who didn't read the quote I'm replying to.
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George_z wrote:

Most of the issues I'm reading here aren't actually with the OS, but having issue with Microsoft.
As Hrafna aptly sais above me, you're free to move over to Apple, just know that Apple is no different from Microsoft in that regard, they too will "force" their updates on you and at certain points tell you that if you do not that certain things will stop working.

As for Linux, have fun with that one! That's all I'll say about it.

Now for the little privacy issue, just try to fathom what Google alone knows about you. And then think of all the other social media you use.
If you want true privacy you'll probably have to move to a cave somewhere in a dense forest in Siberia.


People just don't like change. There are those that want to move forward and those that want to stick to the Windows 95 days. Also, a reason people go for windows is it is cheaper. I can get a $2100 gaming laptop with windows (and adore it)... or I can pay $3300 for a MacBook with the same gear.

Also, I shudder to think of what Google knows about me... my ads are scary enough as is. I think what people fail to realize is all big companies data mine. Apple, Google, Android etc. It is how they target ads at you, how they autocomplete, etc.
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The topic of course is still Windows 10, and not "other social networks besides Facebook"...

This is not even getting into "free" webmail such as Gmail scanning your email... Which is the reason I use a paid email service.

Regarding Google. Notice how it pretends to give you the option of deleting your search + browsing activity from your logged in Google account, EXCEPT that you have to go down and display one day at a time. Now, how in the world is anyone supposed to delete all of their past data, one day at a time? Good luck with that. Google doesn't give anyone a real option to delete their activity info.

Even if someone goes back and delete that info day-by-day for years, it's no good anyways because Google said it keeps it to thwart spammers... uh huh.

What I find funny is that people would put up with something just as bad or worse than Win10 while at the same not putting up with Win10
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As I made my point on the Windows 10 part I'm just going to leave the following to keep some people awake at night.

Google, Facebook, heh, anyone ever stopped to think about what your own Internet provider knows about you?
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nanikore2 wrote: What I find funny is that people would put up with something just as bad or worse than Win10 while at the same not putting up with Win10
hahaha... ... thats what you think and deleting a post (for me I wouldn't really mind if it was or not) but much sites don't "delete" it. still much worse that COULD happend if like installing win 10 right now... just nope... it would be a nightmare to deal with.

George_z wrote: heh, anyone ever stopped to think about what your own Internet provider knows about you?

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Nope. Still going to keep my Windows 8.1 version. Windows 10 can go screw itself.
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I'm not getting 10 until I get a new computer ...maybe in another year or two; from what I hear it is a pretty decent system but I don't want to have to relearn an OS as of yet - besides I'm using my iPad more anyway.
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I hope none of the people saying "Microsoft is spying on me" uses Google Chrome, Gmail, or even FACEBOOK..............



It's hard to switch from gmail. Even the other email providers seem to be using gmail in the background, but with their own logo on it. For example, my ISP provides me with 10 free email addresses, but it uses the same exact format and log-in animations and such as gmail. Conclusion? My ISP really doesn't have their own mail servers. They're leasing Google's servers, but slap their own logo on it. Google gets its cut - and its data.

My brother told me there's a way to fake your identity on Facebook, but that you have to use that account for vary narrow purposes. Otherwise, over time, they'll figure out who you really are. I'm still trying to figure that process out. I use Firefox, but I've been looking at a new browser, slated to come out in the Spring or Summer of this year, called Brave. I want to try that out.
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George_z wrote:

Most of the issues I'm reading here aren't actually with the OS, but having issue with Microsoft.
As Hrafna aptly sais above me, you're free to move over to Apple, just know that Apple is no different from Microsoft in that regard, they too will "force" their updates on you and at certain points tell you that if you do not that certain things will stop working.

As for Linux, have fun with that one! That's all I'll say about it.

Now for the little privacy issue, just try to fathom what Google alone knows about you. And then think of all the other social media you use.
If you want true privacy you'll probably have to move to a cave somewhere in a dense forest in Siberia.


People just don't like change. There are those that want to move forward and those that want to stick to the Windows 95 days. Also, a reason people go for windows is it is cheaper. I can get a $2100 gaming laptop with windows (and adore it)... or I can pay $3300 for a MacBook with the same gear.

Also, I shudder to think of what Google knows about me... my ads are scary enough as is. I think what people fail to realize is all big companies data mine. Apple, Google, Android etc. It is how they target ads at you, how they autocomplete, etc.


These are all done from your browser, if you don't have your privacy features turned on. Microsoft is not only data mining your hard drive, but actually uploading parts of your hard drive content to their servers - without your consent - except for the "Yes" button that you click for the EULA you didn't read. This is far more invasive that what the other companies are doing.
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Every time it forces an update during the hours I'm sleeping, I wake up to find that all the settings I changed revert back to default, dimming the screen and putting me into tablet mode, and disaibling classic shell. Try contacting microsoft about an issue you have or trying to give a complaint. Good luck

Cortana has access to everything, and it is optional.. but runs in the background anyway and is impossible to turn off. I wish I could just go back to windows 7 ffs. Oh, and when I tried to contact them, I got someone from Malaysia in an online chat. That's not a bad thing by itself, but they barely spoke english and took 3-5 minutes between 3 word responses.
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As someone who has been openly against upgrading to 10, for various reasons, I went ahead and upgraded to 10 on my server PC (I have 2 desktops at my place) to do some testing. It's easy to downgrade anyways. I have a lot of custom programs and security rigged up on my system and will have to rewrite some of them for this. From what I can tell, performance wise the only con I've noticed is the bandwidth seems to be getting eaten up more than usual. Particularly with the Edge browser. I know it's not a settings issue since I took care of all that right away. I'll have to see what's causing it when I get time.

Can't say I'm a fan of the layout but it's better than 8/8.1 for sure. Don't see any reason to upgrade my gaming rig just yet since the only real pro to that would be getting DX12 (which technically was supposed to be available regardless of Windows 10 if you had a GPU that came DX12 ready). I'll eventually update it too once I'm content with tests.
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Considering windows 10 steals bandwidth and spies on you. I'll pass.
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George_z wrote:

As I made my point on the Windows 10 part I'm just going to leave the following to keep some people awake at night.

Google, Facebook, heh, anyone ever stopped to think about what your own Internet provider knows about you?


Facebook knows nothing about me. Mainly because I don't use it. I have used it to play some games in the past, but with a faked identity.

Google knows very little about me. They know what I search for. If I didn't use maps, they would only know this information based on IP, which with most ISPs is dynamic. With maps, they would have to assume that a destination I select as to or from when mapping a route is where I live. Considering I usually just click in the general area of where I live to do an area search or route check, they don't necessarily know where I live or who I am. I don't have an account with Google, so I don't log into it.

The ISP is the only one that knows about me and my internet habits. However, all they know is my internet habits. They don't know what I have on my hard drive, and they don't know what I do outside of the internet.

With Microsoft 10, they are spying on every aspect of your computer use. This is an absolute no-go for me.

As far as the topic is concerned, I have my updates turned on, but only for "Important" updates. I have the option to treat "Recommended" updates the same as "Important" unchecked. So, unless they change the Win10 download to "Important", it shouldn't auto-download. I may change to Win10 at some point, but it would have to be Windows 10 Pro, which supposedly can actually turn off the information gathering by Microsoft. It also has the other option for hard drive encryption, so with some account finagling, I should be able to prevent Microsoft from spying on my data and from having the key to my hard drive data.
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I don't really understand the hate with windows 10 im loving it so far and have not had any issues related to gaming or anything else, Think most ppl are just on a hate bandwagon because its the "popular" thing to do, the only issue i see is the forced upgrade, but hey you're going to have to update anyways as the other windows will go the way of , 95,98 and XP.
Posted 2/3/16 , edited 2/3/16
There's a program you can download that will remove the windows 10 update and all windows 10 files and supposedly keep the update away. It's called GWX control panel I have used it and does a good job actually. Only thing is I have had to manually hide the update but it will delete anything related to windows 10 and notify you when windows 10 files are detected. So highly recommend it if you don't want windows 10.

Edit: If you don't trust a program doing it for you look for this update in your windows update area (installed windows updates) KB3035583 uninstall it and hide it because of the fact it will reinstall itself do to automatic updates. Also turn automatic updates off put it to notify me of new updates and let me choose as well. Only thing is I don't think you can delete the installed windows 10 files yourself but without the KB3035583 update they should never activate or update.

So now windows 10 should never reinstall or wake up and find windows 10 setting itself up by itself one day.
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