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Why Do People Even Like Sena from Haganai Anyway?
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Doting? It's creepy. If this were a reverse harem she'd be the most hated character. Now I wouldn't consider it out of the realm of possibility that Sena might not have done anything wrong, at least legally speaking, but when someone is so uncomfortable with you that they rather NOT hang out of you, and not to mention the person acts like and looks like a minor, and you coerce that person into a bath only to violate their trust, that's just wrong on so many levels.



If this were a reverse harem she'd be a 17 year old guy, and Kobato would be a 14 year old shota. Fujoshi would eat up the BL implications. Sena would be loved a thousand times more than she is now.

If Sena was a guy and Kobato was a girl, Haganai would probably sell 10x more than it did.



This gif says it all, really. Both Sena and Araragi are mostly good people with glaring personal boundary issues, to put it mildly. It's honestly my biggest problem with both series, but it's not enough to make them unwatchable for me; in fact, having such a horrible flaw makes the two of them seem more human, since they're both otherwise presented as essentially perfect.
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I again remind people that anime is not real life and should not be treated as such.
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I again remind people that anime is not real life and should not be treated as such.


Everyone already knows this lol. Why would you remind someone of this, now please tend to your life.
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Everyone already knows this lol.

No. Very few people are aware of it. Why do you think Westerners are always going on about age of consent, pedophilia, objectification and women's rights?
Posted 2/7/16 , edited 2/7/16

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ignitingmemories wrote:
Everyone already knows this lol.

No. Very few people are aware of it. Why do you think Westerners are always going on about age of consent, pedophilia, objectification and women's rights?


We known anime is fake. Tell us something we don't know don't group all Westerns together.
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ignitingmemories wrote:
We known anime is fake.

As I just explained to you, very few Westerners are aware that anime is fake. Most people treat it as if it were reality.
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Honestly, It really doesn't matter whether or not I like Sena,

Because Kodoka chooses


in the Light Novels.
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Honestly, It really doesn't matter whether or not I like Sena,

Because Kodoka chooses


in the Light Novels.


I wish that were the case.

Honestly
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xxJing wrote:


Series5Ranger wrote:

Honestly, It really doesn't matter whether or not I like Sena,

Because Kodoka chooses


in the Light Novels.


I wish that were the case.

Honestly


While she claims otherwise, I really felt like the author had no idea how to end the story without pissing off a significant part of the fan base, so just decided to end with an ending that doesn't really satisfy anyone. Kinda like Oreimo, really.
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imaginarycreatures wrote:


xxJing wrote:


Series5Ranger wrote:

Honestly, It really doesn't matter whether or not I like Sena,

Because Kodoka chooses


in the Light Novels.


I wish that were the case.

Honestly


While she claims otherwise, I really felt like the author had no idea how to end the story without pissing off a significant part of the fan base, so just decided to end with an ending that doesn't really satisfy anyone. Kinda like Oreimo, really.


I just want some concrete resolution. Both this and Oreimo though pretty much leave things kind of resolved kind of unresolved. Half-finished. They are half-assed endings, it's those types of endings that piss me off the most.

School Days for example is a good ending in my opinion. It's not a happy ending, but it's a good ending. People are in two groups, they are either satisfied with it, or mortified by it. They aren't disappointed though.

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No. Very few people are aware of it. Why do you think Westerners are always going on about age of consent, pedophilia, objectification and women's rights?


Because fantasy can still incorporate and convey ideas about the real world. That's actually part of what gives fantasy its value: it allows us to explore taboo, uncomfortable, exciting, and even impossible concepts and situations for the sake of advancing consideration thereof further than it otherwise might go. A Christmas Carol is very clearly a fictional work, but to say that its content has no meaning that could be extracted by the reader for consideration in their own lives, that beyond enjoyment of a story about an old man meeting ghosts the reader cannot reasonably take anything further away from the work, is wrong. The work discusses the concepts of greed and selfishness quite plainly, and the fact that it's a fictional work has no bearing on the reader's ability to extract and consider the ideas about those subjects the work conveys to them even if it is possible to simply take it at face value and enjoy a vicarious experience through its characters for its own sake. Both are legitimate approaches to A Christmas Carol.

Here PV is saying that a particular idea presented in Haganai made him uncomfortable despite clearly being intended to amuse, and that he wonders how others are comfortable with that idea and find amusement in it. Pointing out that Haganai is a fictional work technically answers the question, but only by indicating that you read fiction very casually. The ideas presented in fiction don't matter to you because they're presented in a context where nothing that "happens" actually happens. And that's fine. That's a way to approach fiction. It can be a casual, vicarious experience of imaginary situations through imaginary characters that carries no deeper meaning for you than enjoyment of that experience for its own sake. You are allowed to view Haganai as a casual comedic experience you don't think too hard about. But PV is also allowed to extract the ideas the work presents and consider them more deeply, and he is allowed to feel discomfort with ideas that you find amusing. That is true even despite the fact that the production team intended the idea that made him uncomfortable to amuse. PV is allowed to think what he thinks, to feel what he feels.
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xxJing wrote:


imaginarycreatures wrote:

While she claims otherwise, I really felt like the author had no idea how to end the story without pissing off a significant part of the fan base, so just decided to end with an ending that doesn't really satisfy anyone. Kinda like Oreimo, really.


I just want some concrete resolution. Both this and Oreimo though pretty much leave things kind of resolved kind of unresolved. Half-finished. They are half-assed endings, it's those types of endings that piss me off the most.



Yeah, that was pretty much my feeling about it. Honestly, I would have been fine with almost any other resolution than the wishy-washy ending we got.
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drninja wrote:

I again remind people that anime is not real life and should not be treated as such.


We know that, but to discuss the series you have to attach some sort of realism to it to create context. Otherwise why bother talking about anime? I find talking about the technical aspects of anime to be enlightening, but as dull as used dishwater. It has a time and place to be sure, but..talking about the story and characters is much more fun.
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ignitingmemories wrote:
We known anime is fake.

As I just explained to you, very few Westerners are aware that anime is fake. Most people treat it as if it were reality.


I'm sorry, but I am worried over you. By your logic most westerners would think Scarlet O'Hara and Mickey Mouse are real. Honestly most westerners don't give a crap about anime. Perhaps you should check your prejudices at the door. Just remember that we here at CR are a tiny percent of the population as a whole.
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drninja wrote:

As I just explained to you, very few Westerners are aware that anime is fake.


This may just be a theory, but I somehow seriously doubt that
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Gafennec wrote:


I'm sorry, but I am worried over you. By your logic most westerners would think Scarlet O'Hara and Mickey Mouse are real. Honestly most westerners don't give a crap about anime. Perhaps you should check your prejudices at the door. Just remember that we here at CR are a tiny percent of the population as a whole.


You mean I'll never be able to bang... I mean meet Lana Kane?
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