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Post Reply The reason AKB48-styled idol groups will never fly in the west
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I haven't payed much attention to Japanese idol groups in the past. The only idol concert I've been to was when Morning Musume was in LA, and I only went because they had a concert at Anime Expo that year.

Fast forward to Love Live, or precisely, how I went ga-ga over Love Live and spent a ton of money on it- but I digress.

Because of Love Live, I decided to check out idols, the 3D kind.

AKB48 has some sister groups in Japan as well as some other Asian countries. I've seen questions online where people wonder if there is going to be a sister group in, say, the United States.

The answer of course, is no.

Why?

Well, the very short answer is the following video.



It's a music video from SNH48, which is AKB48's Chinese sister group. The song is called "Ponytails and hairties"
https://youtu.be/WfWU9KuifzM
(some of the dance steps are strangely LoveLive-like... but that's OT)

If you are bothered or offended by it, then there ya go- Your answer.

If not, I guess some more explanation is in order.

The SNH48 video was pretty hot with the bikini, arguably almost just as hot as that controversial AKB48 video for "Heavy Rotation" with lingerie and stuff.

Witness the outrage (or at least the discussion of the outrage) it provoked in non-Japanese fans:

http://nihongogo.com/2013/06/the-truth-behind-heavy-rotation/

There. The answer.

If that's still not enough, I guess there's one more thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AKB48_members

Even if a prospective American AKB48 sister group were to form with an age restriction of 18 or even 20, there's always going to be "that" stigma hanging over it. It's not going to have the kind of acceptance it does in Asia.

In America, I think me looking at idols from idol groups and thinking of them as hot would be construed in a similar or same way as me looking at the Mickey Mouse Club and thinking of it as hot (...which I don't but you get the point).
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welp,
-runs back to 2d idols
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Posted 2/10/16
We have game companies that don't even want to port their games over here. Of course that's probably never going to happen.
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I never understood the hype behind this kind of thing... oh well, it definitely won't fly over on our side, you're just asking for trouble lol.
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Was I bothered or offended by it? Nope. Did I find the video, the song, and the girls boring? Definitely.
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im guessing those who complain about heavy rotation have never seen a nicki minaj video or a britney spears video and i could litteraly bring up at least 10 other artists who all repeatedly do music videos vith lyrics that is offensive on nearly every possible level against everything with 2 or more legs. akb48 videos is some of the LEAST offensive videos i have seen from the pop music genera. and if you include rap then akb48 dont even make the list of top 100 offensive music videos.
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Lol America and what we consider offensive, what I took from that video is I would like to visit that beach because it was by far the prettiest landscape I've seen this year.

In truth we are hypocrites, our media shows a range of offensive sexual content anywhere from child prostitution and incest and we turn a blind eye to it but we complain about girls in bikinis in a completely different country... explain to me the leap of logic there America, I mean come on.

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America on sexuality = "we'll show a lot of heavy stuff on television– violence and crass jokes alike, but oh, nooo, young girls in bikinis!! That's bad! That's evil! Outlaw this!! Can't let the politically correct public or the FCC flay us for showing something so vulgar!"

Japan on sexuality = "let's make the rest of the world say 'goddammit japan'. Anything goes! Aaanything!"

America's always has this kind of aversion to specific content that could be considered sexually charged— being broadcast. We are willing to show all the gore in the world that we are allowed, though.
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Well, i don't know.... I know we don't have "idol" groups in the U.S., per say. However, don't we have "Boy bands" and "Girl bands"? Aren't they kind of similar?
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Too much to read...

Anything can make it, the question however is it it would be as successful. And I personally don't think it would be as successful
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I'd of said the controversy surrounding the idol's personal lives EG not allowed to have boyfriends/girlfriends etc. etc. would be the bigger issue.

I'd argue that we do have "idol groups" in the west but with a greater emphasis on their musical "talents" when compared to Japan, Korea or China. However, the image for these groups in the west are still managed and viewed as extremely important to their success.

For example


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Voc666IV wrote:

I'd of said the controversy surrounding the idol's personal lives EG not allowed to have boyfriends/girlfriends etc. etc. would be the bigger issue.





Wait..what the actual hell..How can that even be legal?
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Ranwolf wrote:


Voc666IV wrote:

I'd of said the controversy surrounding the idol's personal lives EG not allowed to have boyfriends/girlfriends etc. etc. would be the bigger issue.





Wait..what the actual hell..How can that even be legal?

I don't see how it could possibly be illegal. No one is forced to join the group.
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I don't see how it could possibly be illegal. No one is forced to join the group.


I guess, shit seems even harsher than the terms I agreed to when I joined the army though ya know. I mean giving people that kind of control over your personal life just seems messed ya dig.
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Ranwolf wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


I don't see how it could possibly be illegal. No one is forced to join the group.


I guess, shit seems even harsher than the terms I agreed to when I joined the army though ya know. I mean giving people that kind of control over your personal life just seems messed ya dig.

Well, sure. I don't really agree with some of the rules either, but they have their reasons.
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