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I feel like I should also mention one more thing about the gun situation in the US - my family are gun owners. We've never perpetrated a violent crime. When I was child, I was also UNABLE TO ACCESS THE FIREARMS AROUND ME, AS IT SHOULD BE. Grabbing my parents guns was never an option for me because my parents did that whole parenting thing that seems lost to the rest of the country, and were generally intelligent people. They locked them up, which is what everyone is supposed to be doing, so those high schoolers that they didn't spend a minute raising can't grab them and massacre people.

What blows my mind is that guns are so accessible to people who aren't supposed to have them. It's clear how they get them too, almost always negligent gun owners. I wouldn't mind stiffer gun control laws, because I'm confident that I could pass them, but I would also like to retain the right to buy and own one, as a last line of defense.

Then again, a lot of the people we really don't want having guns, are going to have them regardless of what a law says.


I know several folks who own guns for sport or they hunt. What your parents have done and taught you is the RIGHT way to handle guns.

And I was being sarcastic before; if Sandy Hook didn't spur any actions nothing will.

I'm not saying ban guns completely...but something HAS to be done in regards to guns. I mean people think right off the bat that 'OH NOES GUNZ WILL BE BANNED!!!' at the slightest bit of gun control. Certain types of people(and I dont mean anyone on here) would seriously rather watch innocents get gunned down than have any slight chance of gun controls 'cause MURRICA.

Sorry, but it's fucked up.
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I can't wait to see what happens when our entire continent is neutered.

When they try to take the guns from America, there will be a lot of unrest - and Obama will enact martial law. He'll get his third term in office and the 99% will be literal slaves instead of just figurative slaves. What really sucks is that the whole world will be on this boat.

I hope the thoughts I just put into words are wrong, but it seems like the entire world is ducks in a row. I don't care if you hate guns or if you love them - if people with guns are threatening you, you're going to need them to have a glimmer of hope.

These are depressing times.


Oh for fuck's sake...

....Obummer ain't taking your guns. The NRA and the American public would rather watch the slaughter of innocent people in your local elementary school than put the tiniest bit of gun control.


Canada is about to learn from America Nii-san all about glorious guns and freedoms!




I wasn't glorifying guns, I was stating facts. It's about more than just losing something that we want to hold on to - we're losing our only way of defending ourselves. I am not a gun owner personally so what you're saying there doesn't really apply to me at all, so please, spare me.

Do you think the government isn't going to label every single person who doesn't like it if martial law is enacted a dissident? I wish I had that kind of faith in other human beings. I'm not trying to glorify guns, but I am stating what is happening right now. I don't really care if you agree, watch the news. History has shown us what happens when a populace can't defend itself against it's, uh, defenders. It isn't good, it ends in genocide, among other things.

This has been years in the making, it's not some revelation i just had, just now while I was watching some anime - taking away america's guns is going to cause problems, it is causing problems. Local militias clashing with other militias because the government is using eminent domain to take land people have used to raise their cattle for their entire lives, and they aren't happy. Every little incident gets America that much closer to having it's guns taken, and it's not going to be pretty, for numerous reasons.

The groundwork is already taken care of - the facilities to handle a disobedient public are already around and ready to accept inmates. They're in every part of the country and they've been waiting to cut that ribbon. It's too bad it isn't just the people that will try to hold on to their guns that are going to populate them.



No offense. But you sound like exactly like the type of people that think Jade Helm is real.

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"Learn to take responsibility for yourself, Canada. "

Well... not that you are wrong... but you are not quite right either.

America does have a lot of guns, and guess what. Some of those make it over the border. Black markets exist for many reasons.

In Canada, if you need a gun it is likely for just hunting or sport shooting. There are plenty of legal ways to get guns for this.

The only people who use the black market for guns are the criminals and people who don't give a shit about our stupid laws and just want to own a certain gun. (i.e collectors)

Here is the nitty gritty truth to it all. The only way such a black market were to ever be quashed and rid of for good, is if we were to just let everyone have guns.

Now, that obviously isn't going to fly with everyone, but then, that's why we have the problem we have now.



Supply and demand.

If guns are being smuggled into Canada, then that means people in Canada - someone, somewhere - are wanting guns.

Perhaps they should make sure their own house is in order before pointing fingers at someone else's.
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BlueOni wrote:

VeggyZ wrote:
I can't wait to see what happens when our entire continent is neutered.

When they try to take the guns from America, there will be a lot of unrest - and Obama will enact martial law. He'll get his third term in office and the 99% will be literal slaves instead of just figurative slaves. What really sucks is that the whole world will be on this boat.

I hope the thoughts I just put into words are wrong, but it seems like the entire world is ducks in a row. I don't care if you hate guns or if you love them - if people with guns are threatening you, you're going to need them to have a glimmer of hope.

These are depressing times.


After managing to somehow use a Jedi mind trick to get around the limitations imposed on the federal government's domestic use of the military by Posse Comitatus the President would have to have either a 2/3 majority in both houses of the legislature calling for repeal of the second amendment or 2/3 of the state legislatures calling for such an amendment in order to even begin to travel down the road you're worrying about. The President plays no part in either amendment process, and so has a limited ability to impact its initiation and progress in either case. The next step in the first process is to pass along the proposed amendment to the state legislatures through the governors' offices, 3/4 of which (38 states) must approve the amendment. It is a guarantee that you will exceed 12 when counting the number of states that would object to passing an amendment that nullifies the second, let alone one that does that while simultaneously granting the military unlimited policing power.

In other words, the regulatory landscape of the US and its cultural landscape render your fears impossible to realise. The most popular presidents in history couldn't have done it. The closest anyone ever came to it was the Lincoln administration's suppression of pro-Confederate factions and newspapers. There's plenty to be critical of as far as the Obama administration's use of the defence and intelligence communities are concerned. This isn't one of those things.


there are always ways around that. hell, how many veterans got PTSD and had their rights to the second ammendment taken away.... and lets not forget gun control laws run contary to the idea behind the 2nd. 'to create a milita of the united states' kinda encourages hi cap mags and full auto assult rifles.


I agree that there are ways to get around the Constitution-Congress-Senate.
These are called Presidential Emergency Powers!
This was a good idea at the time. In the past 6 years a few scary Emergency Powers have been added. These are powers not directed at the outside world , but at the country we live in. The groundwork to do this is already in place.
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CrownedSonofFire wrote:

"Learn to take responsibility for yourself, Canada. "

Well... not that you are wrong... but you are not quite right either.

America does have a lot of guns, and guess what. Some of those make it over the border. Black markets exist for many reasons.

In Canada, if you need a gun it is likely for just hunting or sport shooting. There are plenty of legal ways to get guns for this.

The only people who use the black market for guns are the criminals and people who don't give a shit about our stupid laws and just want to own a certain gun. (i.e collectors)

Here is the nitty gritty truth to it all. The only way such a black market were to ever be quashed and rid of for good, is if we were to just let everyone have guns.

Now, that obviously isn't going to fly with everyone, but then, that's why we have the problem we have now.



Supply and demand.

If guns are being smuggled into Canada, then that means people in Canada - someone, somewhere - are wanting guns.

Perhaps they should make sure their own house is in order before pointing fingers at someone else's.


Well, seeing as how most of the gun related crime is closest to the American border, where Americans like to hang out when coming to Canada and hence where it is easiest to get guns, you might want to rethink your theory there bud. The most demand there is for a gun here in Canada is for hunting usually. Otherwise it's criminals who want them, or sometimes collectors. Usually criminals. Sure, that's demand, but a lot of those criminals get their guns from America because America makes it easy.

Generally the only time a gun in involved with a violent crime in Canada, it is when it is near the American border. Yes, sometimes this is not always true, like with La Loche, but those are the very rare circumstances.

Actually to tell you the straight up truth, I don't think you realize just how few guns related crimes there are in Canada to begin with. 2015 maybe had the most ever in the past 10 years. The amount of violent crime involving a gun in Canada in the past 10 years could be counted on two hands compared to the amount that happens in just ONE American city.

So yeah, we need to get our house in order all right. Starting with the basement called America.
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CrownedSonofFire wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:


CrownedSonofFire wrote:

"Learn to take responsibility for yourself, Canada. "

Well... not that you are wrong... but you are not quite right either.

America does have a lot of guns, and guess what. Some of those make it over the border. Black markets exist for many reasons.

In Canada, if you need a gun it is likely for just hunting or sport shooting. There are plenty of legal ways to get guns for this.

The only people who use the black market for guns are the criminals and people who don't give a shit about our stupid laws and just want to own a certain gun. (i.e collectors)

Here is the nitty gritty truth to it all. The only way such a black market were to ever be quashed and rid of for good, is if we were to just let everyone have guns.

Now, that obviously isn't going to fly with everyone, but then, that's why we have the problem we have now.



Supply and demand.

If guns are being smuggled into Canada, then that means people in Canada - someone, somewhere - are wanting guns.

Perhaps they should make sure their own house is in order before pointing fingers at someone else's.


Well, seeing as how most of the gun related crime is closest to the American border, where it is easiest to get guns, you might want to rethink your theory there bud.

Generally the only time a gun in involved with a violent crime in Canada, it is when it is near the American border. Yes, sometimes this is not always true, like with La Loche, but those are the very rare circumstances.

Actually to tell you the straight up truth, I don't think you realize just how few guns related crimes there are in Canada to begin with. 2015 maybe had the most ever in the past 100 years. The amount of violent crime involving a gun in Canada in the past 100 years could be counted on two hands compared to the amount that happens in just ONE American city.

So yeah, we need to get our house in order all right. Starting with the basement called America.


Canada's gun problems isn't Americas fault. People are paying to smuggle guns into Canada, that's their fault, not ours.
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I made a few small edits before you posted your reply because I made a couple typo's... and wanted to further cement my point. Please re-read even if it doesn't change your opinion.
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D4nc3Style wrote:


CrownedSonofFire wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:


CrownedSonofFire wrote:

"Learn to take responsibility for yourself, Canada. "

Well... not that you are wrong... but you are not quite right either.

America does have a lot of guns, and guess what. Some of those make it over the border. Black markets exist for many reasons.

In Canada, if you need a gun it is likely for just hunting or sport shooting. There are plenty of legal ways to get guns for this.

The only people who use the black market for guns are the criminals and people who don't give a shit about our stupid laws and just want to own a certain gun. (i.e collectors)

Here is the nitty gritty truth to it all. The only way such a black market were to ever be quashed and rid of for good, is if we were to just let everyone have guns.

Now, that obviously isn't going to fly with everyone, but then, that's why we have the problem we have now.



Supply and demand.

If guns are being smuggled into Canada, then that means people in Canada - someone, somewhere - are wanting guns.

Perhaps they should make sure their own house is in order before pointing fingers at someone else's.


Well, seeing as how most of the gun related crime is closest to the American border, where it is easiest to get guns, you might want to rethink your theory there bud.

Generally the only time a gun in involved with a violent crime in Canada, it is when it is near the American border. Yes, sometimes this is not always true, like with La Loche, but those are the very rare circumstances.

Actually to tell you the straight up truth, I don't think you realize just how few guns related crimes there are in Canada to begin with. 2015 maybe had the most ever in the past 100 years. The amount of violent crime involving a gun in Canada in the past 100 years could be counted on two hands compared to the amount that happens in just ONE American city.

So yeah, we need to get our house in order all right. Starting with the basement called America.


Canada's gun problems isn't Americas fault. People are paying to smuggle guns into Canada, that's their fault, not ours.


Um... are you stupid? Seriously, are you? Because you do realize that by supplying them in the first place so that they CAN be smuggled IS your countries fault, you dumb cunt.
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CrownedSonofFire wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:


CrownedSonofFire wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:


CrownedSonofFire wrote:

"Learn to take responsibility for yourself, Canada. "

Well... not that you are wrong... but you are not quite right either.

America does have a lot of guns, and guess what. Some of those make it over the border. Black markets exist for many reasons.

In Canada, if you need a gun it is likely for just hunting or sport shooting. There are plenty of legal ways to get guns for this.

The only people who use the black market for guns are the criminals and people who don't give a shit about our stupid laws and just want to own a certain gun. (i.e collectors)

Here is the nitty gritty truth to it all. The only way such a black market were to ever be quashed and rid of for good, is if we were to just let everyone have guns.

Now, that obviously isn't going to fly with everyone, but then, that's why we have the problem we have now.



Supply and demand.

If guns are being smuggled into Canada, then that means people in Canada - someone, somewhere - are wanting guns.

Perhaps they should make sure their own house is in order before pointing fingers at someone else's.


Well, seeing as how most of the gun related crime is closest to the American border, where it is easiest to get guns, you might want to rethink your theory there bud.

Generally the only time a gun in involved with a violent crime in Canada, it is when it is near the American border. Yes, sometimes this is not always true, like with La Loche, but those are the very rare circumstances.

Actually to tell you the straight up truth, I don't think you realize just how few guns related crimes there are in Canada to begin with. 2015 maybe had the most ever in the past 100 years. The amount of violent crime involving a gun in Canada in the past 100 years could be counted on two hands compared to the amount that happens in just ONE American city.

So yeah, we need to get our house in order all right. Starting with the basement called America.


Canada's gun problems isn't Americas fault. People are paying to smuggle guns into Canada, that's their fault, not ours.


Um... are you stupid? Seriously, are you? Because you do realize that by supplying them in the first place so that they CAN be smuggled IS your countries fault, you dumb cunt.



Name calling. Typical.

If CANADIANS pay for the smuggling you can't blame Americans. Since you know, it's the CANADIANS who want the guns.
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CrownedSonofFire wrote:
Um... are you stupid? Seriously, are you? Because you do realize that by supplying them in the first place so that they CAN be smuggled IS your countries fault, you dumb cunt.


So it's Canada's fault the 18th Amendment failed?
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Nogara-san wrote:

No offense. But you sound like exactly like the type of people that think Jade Helm is real.



Whatever you say. You clearly know a lot about me.

I've heard tons of conspiracy theories, and I enjoy them, and no, I don't buy into a lot of them. The ones I am prone to "believe" are the ones I see evidence of in my everyday life. I think it's insane to be able to look at the way the world is right now and not think we're on the verge of something terrible. It doesn't really matter to me if you have a problem with my concern over the state of things, because that concern is my own, and in my mind the only intelligent course is to consider those possibilities.

Do you watch the news? even fake-news like Fox news?

I realize people in our modern times don't give a shit about much and don't like to think about such things, which is how things are getting so out of control in the first place, but that won't stop me from talking about it.

I'm not sure if you were trying to insult me, but judging from the "No offense" I'm guessing you were taking a shot at me... You're welcome to assume whatever you want, though, just like I assume you got on my case because you figured I was trying to (blindly) stand up for guns. If I have to put it into words, I stand up for responsible people being able to obtain them with due effort. I don't think the majority of people I meet in a typical work day should be able to own one, though. The general public can't handle the responsibility of a public restroom, much less firearms.

Re-reading... man, I wish that was a joke ^
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Oh, fantastic. Canada has joined that glorious pastime of Nations, passing the buck. I wonder if some of the increase was along one of their murder highways?
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