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Well sorry and not sorry... -__- about this one:
With, Born Depressed - Drill Queen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpG4t54g2fk

and maybe some of this could do something dunno really what narcissism is really about though -_- (or rather say in a easier way what to "target" or point towards)

Sargon of akkad (14/02/2016) - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlXdNOXU3_M
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I think a lot of it is to do with people just spending too much time on social media online, whether it's Facebook, Instagram etc. Some just use those things to keep in contact with friends or a hobby, others however which is more in general, spend too much time and try to portray themselves like they have the best life ever, then when you actually see them through a friend of a friend or whatever irl, they're just sat there, quite on their phone. Suddenly this popular rockstar of social media is nothing more than a pleb. They're always looking for validation and evaluating themselves with others. It's pathetic, they spend so much time in their fake digital lives and for what, just so they can appease to a bunch of friends / followers they've never met?
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When you have more sharing services like reddit and such that "supports" the more extreme people like killers to more "normal" people then alot of mixed feelings, mixed understanding and so on that would effect how things would turn out to be (like how much series in anime handles crimes, psychological understanding)




what is real? what is not real? How should I feel?
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PrinceJudar wrote:
I certainly agree. Mute buttons are just a small fragment of a more encompassing problem, and no, they aren't necessary to create echo chambers. Mute options and others similar are merely components to the fact that the online experience is increasingly a user customized one. Now, I'm not a Twitter user, and frankly I find it abhorrent for any meaningful conversation...However, regardless of sites not being meant for such matters--views and opinions are expressed anyway. Memes, images, jokes, print screens--if anything the mob mentality is even worse because it is not a platform it can be reasonably contested. On both sides of the fence. Often, these platforms are all people choose to use as well.

Again, going back to the responsibility of the user because that's all it comes down to. It is up to users not to search only for what legitimizes their positions and preconceptions. Not only that, but to challenge themselves, continuously, with opposing arguments. To delete comments because someone is being incessantly rude and not because they are of an differing opinion one finds unacceptable or unappreciated. People have gotten quick to slamming the metaphysical doors on people they don't agree with online--either by insulting, muting, deleting--or simply choosing not to view it at all.

People seem to enjoy a reconfirmation of their opinions more than the learning experience that comes with being wrong. We have people now that increasingly demonstrate an unwarranted confidence in their beliefs and opinions.



Well yes because twitter is not a platform designed for meaningful conversations. Its designed for quick updates. A mute button is to stop people from annoying you, harassing you, etc which is generally all fine with me. Saying that creates an echo chamber ignores the fact that no meaningful conversations are gonna come out of twitter simply because of design.


Again, going back to the responsibility of the user because that's all it comes down to. It is up to users not to search only for what legitimizes their positions and preconceptions. Not only that, but to challenge themselves, continuously, with opposing arguments. To delete comments because someone is being incessantly rude and not because they are of an differing opinion one finds unacceptable or unappreciated. People have gotten quick to slamming the metaphysical doors on people they don't agree with online--either by insulting, muting, deleting--or simply choosing not to view it at all.


Well I do agree with this in a way though I would be okay with people deleting incredibly stupid arguments that wont help the conversation IE racism, Flat earth, etc.
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god i stopped reading after the first one.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

You've all seen it. Today people are obsessed with defining themselves outside or above the average person.


Says the poster who rarely posts without plugging "I'm living the life of my favorite snarky/egotistic/bad-boy anime character! "
(Yes, it's fun to pretend, isn't it? )


Some of my ideas from a recent musing of it:
3. Narcissism is a product of reduced empathy.
6. Narcissism is a result of online posturing.
Social media has really taken off, and with it so too has grandiose displays. Without physical interaction in such environments, some of our restrained behaviors like brutishness, grandeur, and impulsivity rise up from our depths. Often what we project, even if online, is often what we become or begin to incorporate in our real image. This should really come as no surprise considering some of the methods we use to counteract self-image issues. Projection often results in a person reprogramming themselves to that image, with or without knowledge of doing so.


Empathy is a product of adulthood, and there are fewer adults online, and less consequences for those who aren't adults.
Even back in the Wild-West Usenet 90's, the mythologized appeal of the Internet was for poor lil' picked-on junior high kids and no-future stoner high kids as a Pleasure Island for bad little boys to post what bad little junior high and stoner kids thought was "shocking" at the age of fourteen...A tradition that continues at YouTube Comments today.
After the grown-up 20's, the Internet starts actually being used, as you're not as obsessed with your social media accounts, and you gravitate more towards forums or regular blogs where actual discussions take place. This is largely due to the awakened feelings that you're actually interacting with other human beings besides yourself, a notion hard to grasp before that age.

Our current culture gravitates between trying to market to that pre-awakened "young crowd"--because they fundamentally don't understand the cellphones and social-media sites that are taking attention away from their own ads--and the crowd itself trying to wallow in its own Millennial negativity by saying its not their own fault the world's a mess, so let's all just f*** that and just post our Epic Fails on YouTube.
The mainstream sells it, the crowd believes it--while trying to hip-dismiss it that it comes from someone else besides themselves--and nobody is out there making Mature Adult Empathy look appealing, without tying it to some PC cause.

Narcissism also comes out in our humor, where we want Ours by laughing/complaining about Someone Else's, and any depiction of optimism is seen as the folly of a "total loser".
To be narcissistic is to say that the rest of the world are idiots--"I talk to myself because it's the only way I can enjoy an intelligent conversation", etc.--and to entertain the notion that they aren't is the same "deluded" problem that got the whole world into the mess narcissists believe they're "surviving" in the first place.
(Remember when we could watch a workplace sitcom on TV about co-workers who LIKED each other? Yeah, co-workers who aren't freaks and you don't despise, and a job where your jerk boss doesn't make you sit in a cubicle and you watch the clock from the minute you walk in...Total fantasy, or what? )
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it is probably a combination of all said things, i do belive though that narcissism has been around for quite some time, we have a lot of ideals that focus on the ego and the glorification of material wealth and the "self made man". in a society where the focus is on competition and you get rewarded for serving yourself only, Unhealthy Narcissism is bound to happen and be more common.
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Ejanss wrote:
Says the poster who rarely posts without plugging "I'm living the life of my favorite snarky/egotistic/bad-boy anime character! "
(Yes, it's fun to pretend, isn't it? )


I'd be a bit more of an asshole if that was the case.



I think I've stated it plenty around I'm just livin' the reclusive, simple and mundane lifestyle. I'm a bit of an egotistic ass when I game and sometimes when I argue. No doubt. Always been that way in my personal life though. At any point of the day though, I see myself as just an average. I'm very content with who I am and my life. There's a richness in routine.

Emotes are fun, you're missin' out.

Pretending to be a male though, now that can be fun.



Empathy is a product of adulthood, and there are fewer adults online, and less consequences for those who aren't adults.
Even back in the Wild-West Usenet 90's, the mythologized appeal of the Internet was for poor lil' picked-on junior high kids and no-future stoner high kids as a Pleasure Island for bad little boys to post what bad little junior high and stoner kids thought was "shocking" at the age of fourteen...A tradition that continues at YouTube Comments today.
After the grown-up 20's, the Internet starts actually being used, as you're not as obsessed with your social media accounts, and you gravitate more towards forums or regular blogs where actual discussions take place. This is largely due to the awakened feelings that you're actually interacting with other human beings besides yourself, a notion hard to grasp before that age.

Our current culture gravitates between trying to market to that pre-awakened "young crowd"--because they fundamentally don't understand the cellphones and social-media sites that are taking attention away from their own ads--and the crowd itself trying to wallow in its own Millennial negativity by saying its not their own fault the world's a mess, so let's all just f*** that and just post our Epic Fails on YouTube.
The mainstream sells it, the crowd believes it--while trying to hip-dismiss it that it comes from someone else besides themselves--and nobody is out there making Mature Adult Empathy look appealing, without tying it to some PC cause.

Narcissism also comes out in our humor, where we want Ours by laughing/complaining about Someone Else's, and any depiction of optimism is seen as the folly of a "total loser".
To be narcissistic is to say that the rest of the world are idiots--"I talk to myself because it's the only way I can enjoy an intelligent conversation", etc.--and to entertain the notion that they aren't is the same "deluded" problem that got the whole world into the mess narcissists believe they're "surviving" in the first place.
(Remember when we could watch a workplace sitcom on TV about co-workers who LIKED each other? Yeah, co-workers who aren't freaks and you don't despise, and a job where your jerk boss doesn't make you sit in a cubicle and you watch the clock from the minute you walk in...Total fantasy, or what? )


Hmm, I still see empathy as something young children learn at the playground. Kids won't play with you if you're a jerk after all, they have no motivation to do so. Cooperation is often first demonstrated by 'play' in humans. Although I can't say children, more so now than before, may lose sight of that empathy--possibly only reclaiming it in early adulthood...although sometimes overly so.

Or that time we actually sat next to each other to play video games without someone swearing up and down about how he licked his opponent's mother's asshole?

You got a point with the humor though and the stamp of dumb blond 'Naruto' optimists tend to get. Unfortunately I don't remember such sitcoms, too much of a youngen that ain't watch much TV outside of cartoons as a kid.
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Ejanss wrote:
Narcissism also comes out in our humor, where we want Ours by laughing/complaining about Someone Else's, and any depiction of optimism is seen as the folly of a "total loser".
To be narcissistic is to say that the rest of the world are idiots--"I talk to myself because it's the only way I can enjoy an intelligent conversation", etc.--and to entertain the notion that they aren't is the same "deluded" problem that got the whole world into the mess narcissists believe they're "surviving" in the first place.

(Remember when we could watch a workplace sitcom on TV about co-workers who LIKED each other? Yeah, co-workers who aren't freaks and you don't despise, and a job where your jerk boss doesn't make you sit in a cubicle and you watch the clock from the minute you walk in...Total fantasy, or what? )


You got a point with the humor though and the stamp of dumb blond 'Naruto' optimists tend to get. Unfortunately I don't remember such sitcoms, too much of a youngen that ain't watch much TV outside of cartoons as a kid.


(No Dick Van Dyke walnut-episode? No Bob Newhart elevator-episode? No Mary Tyler Moore Chuckles-episode, all of which existed in those long ago days before Seinfeld? Looks like you've got a date to start using that Hulu account for more than just anime... )

Not so much "dumb" optimists (although a pointed comparison of Anna in "Frozen" vs. Joy in "Inside Out" would reveal some interesting insights about who is "punished" for their eternal-optimism and why)--
Narcissism tends to believe that those who aren't cynical are "unprepared" to deal with our modern cynicism-worthy world, and the humor is in watching Darwinism enforce itself. On Futurama, for ex., Fry is a hopeful, naive, optimistic fan who believes in the future of sci-fi, which, to Matt Groening, makes him the butt of all possible society-punishing jokes, with a fourth-grade desire to portray him as "Shuddup and let me say MORE unintentionally stupid things!"
Coolness is hipness, and hipness must be negative and deconstruct all hopelessly outdated light and goodness, in order to prepare one's self for the hard, cold world.
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1. The increased size of the immediate social surroundings has facilitated a greater need to stand out.
Technology has interconnected our world to a much larger degree. I think it is not beyond reason to propose that this may have produced a disproportionate reaction to a subtle but encompassing feeling of being forgotten about or a losing sense individualism.


Well we're (western cultures) in an incredibly individualistic society, so naturally you will see people reflect that attitude and try to stand out among the crowd. That's also not particularly narcissistic to want to stand out, it's pretty common during puberty for kids to try to stand out in an attempt to form an identity. It has to be more extreme than just 'standing out.'



2. The predominance of low self-esteem in younger years has overly bred narcissism as a reaction.
That narcissism may be a reaction and adaption to once held beliefs. Healing from such low self-esteemed mindsets often involves inflating one’s sense of self-worth back to acceptable and healthy ranges, but perhaps this may result in over-inflation.


I'd say it's possible. There is also the movement constantly telling impressionable people 'you're perfect in every way', so it may draw from that.



3. Narcissism is a product of reduced empathy.
Now, narcissism is usually marked by a lack of empathy towards others, but perhaps it is created by that marked absence. It is highly notable that humans are cooperative and incredibly sociable in behavior—often these traits are bred from play in the early ages. So the reduction of playtime in the critical early ages has possibly reduced human empathy and increased narcissism as a byproduct.


I don't think that less playtime is a likely cause. What impacts development the most is family bonding and modeling parents' behavior. It's not just play we learn our behaviors from, it's mostly modeling and watching. It would make more sense if a possible cause of it could be less exposure to parents and their reactions to something requiring empathy, or the parents were narcissistic themselves and the child picked up the behavior through watching them. Thing is with people who live with narcissism or the other cluster B personality disorders is that they have brain abnormalities. It can't be said though if these are brain abnormalities that developed over time, or were always present within the child. We do know that it is very common for the behavior to display early in life. There are some studies currently being done though that are taking images of young children's brains to determine whether they are 'wired' like a psychopath or not. Also some studies will cite violent trauma as a possible cause for it, but correlation doesn't imply causation and yada yada. So basically, it may not be socializing or lack of causing the disorder, but maybe they were just born like that.



4. Narcissism is assisted by the increase of individually created echo chambers.
In this age of information, it may come as no surprise that a person is able to readily seek out answers. However, information is only provided by inquiry. Therefore, it is up to individuals to responsibly seek answers. When I say responsibly, I mean to say, not just the inquiring for the answers one would prefer. With mute buttons, content, and searches easily catered to one’s own preconceptions and ideas…well, perhaps we may have a developing issue of self-induced ignorance and superiority upon consistent reconfirmation.


That isn't really narcissistic behavior. People naturally seek out like minded people/thoughts due to liking familiarity/similarity. It's why your friend circle is a lot like you. (not that people don't have friends different from them, but for the most part friends are similar to each other in some way.) Now if they demanded that everything be their way or the high way then it could be read as possibly narcissistic.



5. Narcissism is being fueled by a waning collectivism.
There’s a body of evidence suggesting that the more economic prosperity enjoyed, the more people shift towards individualism.


But individualism is not narcissism. The west has also almost never been a collectivist society. Individualism has been the more dominant mindset.



6. Narcissism is a result of online posturing.
Social media has really taken off, and with it so too has grandiose displays. Without physical interaction in such environments, some of our restrained behaviors like brutishness, grandeur, and impulsivity rise up from our depths. Often what we project, even if online, is often what we become or begin to incorporate in our real image. This should really come as no surprise considering some of the methods we use to counteract self-image issues. Projection often results in a person reprogramming themselves to that image, with or without knowledge of doing so.


I mean, I'm sure that is true for some people, but I have never acted like I do online in person. I would never talk openly about my LGBT status in person and so on. I think it's more likely that the lack of empathy stems from them staring at a screen rather than a real person. As far as these kids are concerned, they're abusing a computer program and not an actual person. It's why people act worse online than they do in person. Here, social stigma is easy to get away from, but in person not so much.

But just like you stated a bunch of possible causes, there are a bunch of actual causes creating this rise. Every mental illness is on the rise and there are a number of causes for them. I lean towards a lot of personality disorders being biologically preset due to possibly changing diets of the populace, possible trauma during gestation, possible results from pollution etc. and some social influence thrown in there. All I know for sure is that I picked the right time to go to university for counseling. Also, I wouldn't say people are that obsessed with defining themselves above everyone else, but there are quite a few, sure, but not in general there isn't.
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Narcissism FTW
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PrinceJudar wrote:
6. Narcissism is a result of online posturing.
Social media has really taken off, and with it so too has grandiose displays. Without physical interaction in such environments, some of our restrained behaviors like brutishness, grandeur, and impulsivity rise up from our depths. Often what we project, even if online, is often what we become or begin to incorporate in our real image. This should really come as no surprise considering some of the methods we use to counteract self-image issues. Projection often results in a person reprogramming themselves to that image, with or without knowledge of doing so.
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I mean, I'm sure that is true for some people, but I have never acted like I do online in person. I would never talk openly about my LGBT status in person and so on..


Which would make you one of the few LGBT's who AREN'T raging narcissists--
Narcissism starts with the idea that you love yourself, or at least "guard" yourself when no one else will, and after a while, the self-guarding becomes so important to the exclusion of any other search for identity, that any dissenting idea, or the people who try to "assault" you with them, must be wrong.

Those who do talk about their LGBT status tend to act as if their finding their own self-fulfillment against a, quote, "intolerant" world is THE SINGLE MOST important issue to everyone else's life as it is to their own...In fact, you rarely see a curiosity about anyone else's.
I've been in net conversations where those who put more of their public identity into telling the world about their "new social freedom" would actually go into paranoid rages, that they were being "silenced by the mainstream and forced back into the closet again", if everyone else in the room would try to ignore them, or spin the topic back onto non-LGBT issues.
Compare this to the classic psychiatric profile of the Narcissist, who believes that he should only cultivate a social circle with people who share and understand his views--and snicker behind the back of poor unfortunate idiots who can't gain entry--and who believes that all service people are there to serve him at that moment...The jerk in front of you in the hotel checkout line, for example, who spends ten minutes arguing over some charge on his bill, and keeps browbeating the clerk to see his supervisor, and then goes ballistic when the clerk asks him to step aside for the next customer.
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I think seclusion is a factor

and also an empty feeling inside that some of us feel. The lack of a dream or desire is more common, or at least its easier to see now.

An increase in inferiority complexes either at school, at the workplace/life, or on the internet.

Grandiose delusions from the media. After watching bad ass movies and incredible anime all through out my life, I daydream often about doing something super-human or being a bad ass myself. I'd be surprised if I was the only one.
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Well, there's one problem here. These studies only reflect American culture and the first study cited is only at one university. Within that study, when broken down by ethnicity, white students had the highest rising rate of narcissistic traits and the highest overall narcissism scores by far. Followed by Asians, then Hispanics. While Black students narcissistic traits peaked several years ago and have been trending downwards since that point. While the other three groups continued to trend up.

So there's far more complicated cultural and likely socioeconomic issues at work here then many of the theories proposed in this thread.



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