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Another example of trouble coming from these blm associates. These kinds of actions are not helping the black community. If blm wants the country to take them seriously they have some major cleaning up to do within their household.
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And that's why BLM nobody is gonna treat you with the respect you think you deserve. In the end you are just common criminals giving law abiding Black Americans a bad reputation.
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I grow tired of African-Americans thinking the world owes them when clearly they don't.




Sadly I actually talked to a woman who believed that. She said "minorities can't be racist".



except, whites are becoming the minority now
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Just to be clear I realize this is likely just thugs using the BLM movement as an excuse. However the issue is even the better people of the movement don't act much better nor do they act in such a way that I'd put this past them.

Every time I hear about these guys they are either harassing innocent people or they are acting self entitled like the world somehow owes them something just because they got an unfortunate lot in life.

Guess what people life isn't always fair! Everything unfair that happens to you isn't because you are black or some other minority and just because I'm white doesn't mean everything is sunshine and roses.

Because while a lot of things are stacked in my favor a lot of those things don't matter all that much and also I don't get any free handouts. I don't get a lot of minority only scholarships and I don't get a lot of other things made specifically to help minorities. Now I'm not complaining overall since again I am part of the majority and that comes with at least a few perks.

But my point is it's not all THAT great being a white male in this day and age and it's not that bad to be black in this day and age. It's certainly not to the level people act like it is and what little inequality is left will probably NEVER be fixed. Because you can't force people to not be racist. You can't force statistics to perfectly cut everything evenly.


Again life isn't fair. It never will be fair. and somethings you just have to suck it up and deal with a little crap.
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only black lives matter. is what is meant
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J-POP187 wrote:

Another example of trouble coming from these blm associates. These kinds of actions are not helping the black community. If blm wants the country to take them seriously they have some major cleaning up to do within their household.


I think the biggest issue is that blacks all classify each other together, whether your a wealthy entrepreneur or a ghetto hood rat. There's problem children in all ethnicity, white, latino, asian, etc. but they don't try to associate all of them together. Most groups seem to disregard the useless criminal ones, while blacks seem to embrace and protect those ones, even if they deserved to die. I think that's the biggest issue, blacks try to treat and relate the criminals to themselves, even if they grew up in completely different circumstances. It's like whites treating the politicians and celebrities the same as they would to rednecks, it doesn't work or make any sense.
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Metazoxan wrote:
Every time I hear about these guys they are either harassing innocent people or they are acting self entitled like the world somehow owes them something just because they got an unfortunate lot in life.


And you don't notice that you're forming this opinion because this is the only time you pay attention to them?



Metazoxan wrote:Guess what people life isn't always fair! Everything unfair that happens to you isn't because you are black or some other minority and just because I'm white doesn't mean everything is sunshine and roses.


and has life been systematically unfair for your family going back generations? Do you live in a state of "unfairness" that is literally inescapable for you, your children and your grandchildren? -.-

This isn't something that can be dismissed with "life sucks, deal with it".



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But my point is it's not all THAT great being a white male in this day and age and it's not that bad to be black in this day and age. It's certainly not to the level people act like it is and what little inequality is left will probably NEVER be fixed.


Yes, actually it is. You should read up a bit. Its infuriating the way people are treated in parts of America. And I say that as a white male. =/

While its certainly true that there are white people in the US who suffer in poverty, lack of education etc too. They still have the advantage in that they live in a system that was put into place by and is run by other white people. Where in all likelihood white people hold political and judicial power where they live. Its a pretty big difference between being trapped in poverty and being trapped in poverty with a system that is biased against you.



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And you don't notice that you're forming this opinion because this is the only time you pay attention to them?

No I do pay attention or at least I try to. Not much of what they do that recieves any kind of notice is outside of what I said. Just to be clear I'm not saying Black Lives don't matter. I'm saying this movement that focuses so much on just black lives is wrong. Even when the stuff they do that isn't headed by assholes still feels like a joke. I remember a video that spat out all these statistics trying to make black people seem like the most unfortuate people on earth. But nearly all of the statistics they gave were biased or otherwise manipulated to look far worse than they really were.

Really you can make a statistic say whatever the hell you please if you just manipulate things like the scale, population, and sampling and then at long as you don't mention that stuff your statistic looks legit until people call bullshit on it.

Mind you I'm not saying black people never get the short end of the stick statistically. I'm just saying it's this kind of manipulated biased crap that is all I ever seem to see some out of the BLM movement. I'm all for trying to help black people being opressed but give me real problems with real statistics.


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and has life been systematically unfair for your family going back generations? Do you live in a state of "unfairness" that is literally inescapable for you, your children and your grandchildren? -.-

This isn't something that can be dismissed with "life sucks, deal with it".

That doesn't mean a damn thing. We are talking about here and now not generations back. yes racism was a major problem generations ago. That much is hystorical fact. But there is no reason I or anyone should owe anyone else for crap that happened back then.

You can throw around vague statements all you want. But unless you can point out any "state of unfairness" that is completely aimed towards black people and isn't just due to personal prejudices then sorry folks but just suck it up. Again we can't control people so we can't stop people from being prejudice at times. Ideally as time passes these things will continue to fade. But you can't just force it to change in a day.


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Yes, actually it is. You should read up a bit. Its infuriating the way people are treated in parts of America. And I say that as a white male. =/

While its certainly true that there are white people in the US who suffer in poverty, lack of education etc too. They still have the advantage in that they live in a system that was put into place by and is run by other white people. Where in all likelihood white people hold political and judicial power where they live. Its a pretty big difference between being trapped in poverty and being trapped in poverty with a system that is biased against you.




If such places exist then BLM should be focusing there! Instead all you ever hear about is another biased report about another white cop doing something to a black person somewhere. Never mind all the black cops who may or may not be doing things or all the things white cops may have done to other white people.

Is inequality still a thing? Of course. Can we make it mroe equal? In a few areas probably.

Again the problem is ever movement I ever see focuses their efforts almost exclusively on what the media hypes up which is almost never an actual issue. The media just hypes things up to make good stories and as a result real issues that can actually be fixed are overlooked.

Also I hate that " live in a system that was put into place by and is run by other white people." line because never in my life has this actually helped me. Never has anyone gone "hello fellow white guy let me help you out since we're both white. In fact generally a lot of companies will purposefully try to hire minorities to either help their public image or receive some kind of benefit from the government or some group helping minorities. Again I'm not complaining about this but what I am saying is being white doesn't help me as much as some people act like it does. At best it keeps me from getting screwed over by someone racist which does happen and does such.

But I don't get any help either because even those assholes who are racist oddly don't care much about helping the race their claim to like.


So again I'll just make this clear again. Racial inequality is a thing and I'm not denying that. What I am denying is where most people claiming to want to help are focusing their efforts on. Because most of them focus their efforts on things that honestly can't be helped and are caused simply by racists or assholes who just hate everyone in general doing something wrong. But you seriously can't stop that without controlling people and just forcing them all to behave.

So you might be asking "where should we focus our efforts"... well if the answer to that question was that straight forward we wouldn't have inequality now would we? I can say instead of trying to weed out racists or somehow force people to not be racist we should just treat them like they don't matter. If they step out of line because of racism then deal with it like anyone else who steps out of line for any reason but leave it at that.

Also instead of putting so much focus on black lives mattering put more focus on making it so that whether you are black or white you life is worth the same. That is what equality is. It's not about giving minorities benefits or treating their lives as something that needs to specifically protected.

Of course it's not all that simple and sometimes minorities do need some specific help. Again it's not all that black and white. My point is that is where I feel more focus should be on.
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Sadly, there are a lot of people willing to align under a banner just to cause chaos due to a certain sense of entitlement and whatnot. Why, if anyone ever seen the cartoon, "Liberty Kids", a man was tarred and feathered just so people could steal his hard earned money, under the guise of rooting out Tories. That doesn't make the cause any less legitimate for either the black lives matters or the rebelling colonies, but it makes you wonder, doesn't it?

I mean, look at Ferguson.


"Liberty Kids", I thought I would never hear that name again. Fucking 8th grade.
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How much you wanna bet if the Marine was carrying and squashed these vermin that the media would be portraying THEM as heroes?
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Metazoxan wrote:
I'm saying this movement that focuses so much on just black lives is wrong.


Why? Why should a social or political cause be obligated to take up the torch other causes outside of their own?



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Even when the stuff they do that isn't headed by assholes still feels like a joke.


This just effectively says you don't actually know what they do. Which would require not having paid attention to American political history for the last 2 years. =/



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That doesn't mean a damn thing. We are talking about here and now not generations back. yes racism was a major problem generations ago. That much is hystorical fact. But there is no reason I or anyone should owe anyone else for crap that happened back then.


This isn't about reparations ( why are you bringing that up? ) and yes it means a damn thing. It means everything. Racism and socioeconomic problems are generational problems. The current state of affairs didn't get this way last week. It took decades of systematic fuckery to reach this point. You can't solve complex socioeconomic issues by just ignoring history.




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You can throw around vague statements all you want. But unless you can point out any "state of unfairness" that is completely aimed towards black people and isn't just due to personal prejudices then sorry folks but just suck it up.


There have been countless studies done on this. What would you prefer? The DOJ? The Department of Education? The American Psychology Association? University of Michigan? Heck, NPR? Its more surprising that you haven't seen evidence. Even the most premliminary glance at the US judicial system, prison system and incarceration rates would tell you something.

Unless you are really going to claim that you think white guys are 8 times less likely to commit a crime than black people? Do you really think crime rates neatly increase across a colour scale from light to dark?



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If such places exist then BLM should be focusing there! Instead all you ever hear about is another biased report about another white cop doing something to a black person somewhere. Never mind all the black cops who may or may not be doing things or all the things white cops may have done to other white people.


They are focusing on them. Also, what? You mean the whole shooting unarmed black people thing? >.>

Are you really going to use a "yeah well I bet black cops do stuff to white people too so its fair" as an argument?



Metazoxan wrote:In a few areas probably.


Its a tad more than a few areas.



Metazoxan wrote:Again the problem is ever movement I ever see focuses their efforts almost exclusively on what the media hypes up which is almost never an actual issue. The media just hypes things up to make good stories and as a result real issues that can actually be fixed are overlooked.


Cops murdering people isn't an actual issue? I mean, that seems like a pretty big issue to me. I mean Jesus Christ, how do you justify shit like Tamir Rice or Walter Scott?

And while yes, US media tend to be a bunch of hype/fear mongering assholes, they're often just as culpable in all this fuckery. Though for different reasons then the ones you're arguing.




Metazoxan wrote:Also I hate that " live in a system that was put into place by and is run by other white people." line because never in my life has this actually helped me.


Are you in jail? -.-

Also, you're going to go with the reverse racism argument?



Metazoxan wrote:So again I'll just make this clear again. Racial inequality is a thing and I'm not denying that. What I am denying is where most people claiming to want to help are focusing their efforts on.


But you didn't even know where most people are focusing their efforts, so this is sort of a moot argument. You also can't just go "oh well" and shrug when faced with problems of this magnitude.

These problems affect the entire country. They affect you. Even if they do not affect you on a personal or social level, they at least affect you on a pragmatic level. They cost you tax dollars. Poverty and oppression are expensive. Crime is expensive. Incarceration is expensive. Sure, the current state of things does benefit some people. But those people already have a fuck ton of money to begin with.

Even if you don't give a rat's ass about these sort of matters socially, at the very least it should irritate you economically.






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"Liberty Kids", I thought I would never hear that name again. Fucking 8th grade.


What the fark is a Libery Ki-oh god, seriously PBS? >.>

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How much you wanna bet if the Marine was carrying and squashed these vermin that the media would be portraying THEM as heroes?


I bet somehow, since they are part of BLM, they'll say they're the real victims.

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