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Posted 2/17/16

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If it's legal that means all drugs are controlled and distributed by the government. So it will be the same as it is now, but now law enforcement can basically break open your door if they know you didn't purchase it legally without a warrant. It's actually a swing in the right direction. I mean, the price will increase, so natural selection will take its course. People are going to do drugs and by drugs illegally, or legally, I think it's better to put it in the hands of the government, I mean it already is in their hands to begin with lol. People are desperate, but not for that much money lol. Oh well I think it would be a fun little experiment, maybe just legalize it in Detroit, see how that goes


Did you get the last part from The Wire

Also Law enforcement can break down your door if you already have illegal drugs in the first place so not much will change


Sorry lol. The way you worded it before was odd. No I didn't, it's just my take on it. I guess that part is true, I don't really keep track of law.
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Lets face it here in America the "War on drugs" has failed. We are giving money to drug Kingpins, giving more reasons for young men(especially black and latino) to join gangs and enact gang violence. Sitting on a market that could revolutionize medical science, made the U.S into a prison state, and costing us too much money.


basically, what you're saying is that only african american and latino are joining gangs because of drugs.. mmm believe it or not i've seen white ppl in gangs so is no just african amaerican and latinos..go to school and keep learning..
Posted 2/17/16
i dont think legalising all drugs will solve criminal problems. some people become drug dealers because they need income. if drug dealing is not an option, they will move to something else... probably human trafficking?

so no matter what you do, 1 solution will lead to another problem.


if you want to fix criminal behaviours, you have to fix society, not legalise drugs... that's my opinion. i'm no expert on criminology.
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Legalization of drugs is a double edged sword. You're going to get cut no matter which side you touch. I honestly don't think there's any easy answers to this problem. It might cut down on crime but then criminals would just move onto other more lucrative things. Drugs don't explain human trafficking or many robberies. It might cut down on drug related crimes but the results could even lead to worse crimes. While on one hand I don't think that every addict should be thrown in prison, especially the non violent one's who really aren't out committing crimes I am not sure that giving people what they want would necessarily be a good thing. If drugs were legal I'd probably still be an addict. If someone's not hurting anyone should they be able to do what they want? Is it really not hurting anyone? You have to remember these addicts have families, children and friends who are all effected by their addiction. The war on drugs is an abysmal failure though. How does one wage war against their own family, friends and neighbors? On the other hand would it really be a good idea to legalize all drugs? Would it really make heroin any safer or would there still be a black market selling cheaper and potentially more dangerous heroin? Even if the quality of the drugs improve you can still overdoes on good drugs. Continued cocaine and crack use can and does cause blood clots and death. It just builds up in your system. You can do it every day for years and be just fine then one day you take one hit or do one bump and bam, you're out and they're having to try and resuscitate you.

Honestly I don't know what the answer is. I think more treatment options are a good idea. Not throwing every addict in prison and giving them the option of going to rehab even if it's for the tenth time as opposed to prison is the right thing to do but it all depends on the addict. If they're out robbing, raping and hurting others because of their addiction then those crimes have to be met with justice. Just think of how many murders there have been because of drugs. You take away that addiction and those same people would probably never do anything like that but you can't just ignore it once they've crossed that line. Stopping the addiction, education, identifying medical ways to identify who's more at risk from birth may help. Not everyone with the genes becomes and addict just like not everyone who's not inclined to addiction can remain safe. I think we're on the right path of offering counseling, education and treatment vs prison time but I think we need to do it more. I don't think I'd like to see heroin made legal but I would like to see addicts being able to get clean needles at least until they can kick the habit. I would also love to see free testing for HIV and other STD's offered to all addicts regardless of their income or insurance as well as free help for those who can't afford it without the horrible waiting periods. It can take months for a bed to come available in a treatment center for many addicts and that's time the might not have.

As far as marijuana goes I could care less. Legalize it already. I don't consider it a real drug and think if we can allow people to drink then marijuana should be allowed also. Just make sure you have laws in place to protect people. I wouldn't want to board a flight where the pilot has been toking all freaking day nor would I want to see people's children driven to school by someone who's high. We just need to invest more in research for medical ways to help addiction. Getting clean can be really hard and it does require constant effort on your part but it can be done. If everyone no matter their income had the best resources and education as possible at hand then I think we'd see a major decrease in addiction. At this point I really doubt there's anything that can be done to erase it entirely. Some dragons once released can never be contained again.
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Absolutely not. I've had too much personal experience with the effects it's had on people to even remotely consider giving a "yes" vote. Drugs are fucking stupid, and you especially realize this once you see your family members fall down that path.

I couldn't care less about weed if it were treated like alcohol (illegal to drive, smoking sections/banning from restaurants, etc.) but as for meth, MDMA, LSD, coke, crack, bath salts, etc., you have to be on one of them to even suggest this.
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mike3391 wrote:


PapaGregory wrote:

Lets face it here in America the "War on drugs" has failed. We are giving money to drug Kingpins, giving more reasons for young men(especially black and latino) to join gangs and enact gang violence. Sitting on a market that could revolutionize medical science, made the U.S into a prison state, and costing us too much money.


basically, what you're saying is that only african american and latino are joining gangs because of drugs.. mmm believe it or not i've seen white ppl in gangs so is no just african amaerican and latinos..go to school and keep learning..


Keyword especially, as in most of the time its blacks and latino kids also they don't join gangs for drugs but for money.
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only the leaves yes
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No

We should execute the drug dealers.
No prison sentence, no second chance, execution.


I agree with this


add rapists,child molesters and murderers to that too
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As a medicinal cannabis patient, I say only weed should be made legal. Hard drugs like heroin and meth should be kept illegal, for obvious reasons.
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You're determined not to hear any single argument against the one you've already wishfully made up for your own, so I'm not quite sure what your purpose in "discussing" it was, unless you thought we'd all instantly agree....Tough beans, huh?

Just goes to show ya, you can usually tell a legalizationist by his utter and complete misunderstanding of why Prohibition happened and why it was ended.
They usually get as far as "There were too many gangsters, so we gave up!", and leave it at that. Errrrmmm...............not quite.

(That said, it would be a help to the state if California decided not to make it a "strike" for the Three Strikes Rule, but saying "Treatment, Not Jail" is not the same as legalizing it and putting the Coke back in Coca-Cola like they did in 1900. It's still a recognition that users are messing themselves up, and the rest of us with it.)


As for heroin its not that bad as most people make it out to be.


Ohh, NOOOOOO..... It's just gotten bad play in the media!
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Drugs have ruined people I love.


Please, not the ones that really don't need to
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No, I really do not think it would help that much to do that.
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Lol. no

I'm all for letting people do what they want to do. But I've seen more than enough friends of mine regret ever getting on some of them and even seen a few of them through their rehabilitation. I don't even see why people get on some of these when you see how bad it affects some people. I guess you don't really think of the consequences when you're just trying to have a good time. lol
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if we legalise murder will that stop the war on murder
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Posted 2/17/16 , edited 2/17/16

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You're determined not to hear any single argument against the one you've already wishfully made up for your own, so I'm not quite sure what your purpose in "discussing" it was, unless you thought we'd all instantly agree....Tough beans, huh?

Just goes to show ya, you can usually tell a legalizationist by his utter and complete misunderstanding of why Prohibition happened and why it was ended.
They usually get as far as "There were too many gangsters, so we gave up!", and leave it at that. Errrrmmm...............not quite.

(That said, it would be a help to the state if California decided not to make it a "strike" for the Three Strikes Rule, but saying "Treatment, Not Jail" is not the same as legalizing it and putting the Coke back in Coca-Cola like they did in 1900. It's still a recognition that users are messing themselves up, and the rest of us with it.)


As for heroin its not that bad as most people make it out to be.


Ohh, NOOOOOO..... It's just gotten bad play in the media!


Okay I have no idea what you quoted from me so I don't know what you are talking about in the first paragraph, also while gangsters weren't the only factor they were still a huge problem and I like how you didn't give an answer why the Prohibition was uplifted.

Also its been said time and time again that pure heroin is basically like morphine.



amyhasabowtie wrote:

if we legalise murder will that stop the war on murder


Except murder involves a unconsenting victim
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