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There is an old saying that in a perfect society all drugs would be legalised and in the perfect society no-one would want them.


I recall Ron Paul saying something like that in some of his speeches. There was also an episode of "The Morton Downey Jr Show" from the 1980s (it's on YouTube by the way), where Morton Downey Jr. tells Paul that he will vomit all over him if he got into the White House (Paul was running as the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988).
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No we should not, what the fuck kind of question is that
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bronzefoot wrote:

There is an old saying that in a perfect society all drugs would be legalised and in the perfect society no-one would want them.


While trying to be clever--and taking Ron Paul's, Mike Gravel's and Ken Burns' mainstream-intellectual cop-out Libertarian view, ie. that, heavens, they don't use it themselves, but it would just be bad to forbid anything--that sort of sums up the reason:
Legalization isn't expressing a mass view, it's people who want something that makes you want it very badly, asking why they can't get it. Which sort of emphasizes the sad problem of steps we have to take to prevent people from wanting it.

(Like the old joke: "On my birthday, as a kid, my parents allowed me to eat all the ice cream I wanted; the catch was, I wasn't allowed to want any.")


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I recall Ron Paul saying something like that in some of his speeches. There was also an episode of "The Morton Downey Jr Show" from the 1980s (it's on YouTube by the way), where Morton Downey Jr. tells Paul that he will vomit all over him if he got into the White House (Paul was running as the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988).


(Ah, Morton Downey, the very, very poor man's pre-Rush Limbaugh, back in the days when we still believed he was real, ie. before he spray-canned his own face and exposed himself as a big fat ratings-desperate fraud. Not that it wasn't apparent already, but we were much more naive about things in the Reagan 80's.
I've been meaning to watch the Netflix documentary on him, but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to go back there yet. Now that we have real actual loonies like Bill O'Reilly and Donald Trump, Morton's Reagan-era revival-tent fakie-show now seems almost quaint.)
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If someone wants to do drugs, they will find a way to get that drug. It's unavoidable, that's why there is such an issue with drug dealers. And let's face it, there is a massive drug problem among many people with prescription drugs these days and those are "legal."
The amount of money that is thrown into this "war on drugs" every year is ridiculous. The cost of feeding inmates who simply carry/do drugs is astronomical, i.e. people who were sentenced to 10+ years for carrying an ounce of weed over a state border.
People should be given the choice of whether they want to mess their own lives up or not. The only time something should be so heavily regulated is when it effects other peoples lives. Alcohol is a very common thing that messes up people's lives all the time. The only time that anything is done about that is when it actually effects others, such as driving under the influence or being drunk in public. If we treated the drugs as alcohol, taxed and regulated it, we would actually start to crawl our way out of the debt that our country has dug itself into. Our country should focus less on making every person the same cookie cutter shape and focus on things that are actually important, such as the veterans and elderly who don't get the benefits they earned and deserve because our country doesn't have the money for them.
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Marijuana yes, for the rest I am for decriminalization and treatment for the rest of them. After we legalize and start taxing marijuana we can look at other drugs and evaluate them on a case by case basis.
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The problem with drugs isn't that "if we legalize them, everybody will do them". When has something (like, hmm, drugs?) being illegal stopped people from doing it? People drink and drive, smoke weed, and do drugs EVEN THOUGH the government says that they aren't allowed to. Therefore, if a drug such as heroin or cocaine were to become legal, the only people who would do them are the SAME PEOPLE who would do (and CURRENTLY DO) them when they're illegal. Do you truly think that if cocaine was to become legal, everybody would suddenly start snorting it? No, it's ridiculous. People are aware that it isn't good for them and they will continue to not do it.

I won't even get into the war on drugs, which has spent (wasted?) billions of dollars since the 80's on a worthless campaign that has gotten nowhere. However, the implications, intentional or unintentional, that it has created are undeniable: it targets lower-class, poverty-stricken parts of the country by punishing NOT the drug czars but the people, typically black males, who sell them because of the income that it provides. Look at it this way: would you rather work at a McDonald's at minimum wage in order to provide for your family, or would you rather make a lot of sweet, fast, tax-free money by selling crack on a street corner? The answer is obvious: you would do what any person with common sense would and feed your children. The users, with no other option, are also forced to go through shady, illegal routes to get what they not only want, but because of addiction, NEED. . This gives more power to the drug czars and distribution through the vehicle of money. By legalizing all drugs, these users and 'dealers' no longer have to go through illegal routes to sustain themselves.

If a person is caught with drugs, they are going to get arrested for it. In the United States, this means that they get introduced to the good ol' Prison Industrial Complex (PIC), since federal prisons are run by businesses. This isn't bad in itself, of course- referring to businesses when hiring help, getting food supplies, and things of that nature create an economy that can be relief on. The problem is when the prison itself is controlled by these businesses... which, they are. Naturally, if there are more prisoners, they will need more supplies like food, clothing... so doesn't it makes sense that these businesses WANT more inmates, since they get more money? According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, approximately 46% of all inmates are in prison for drug-related offenses, and this isn't even considering the other non-violent offenses that receive prison time, but that isn't what this is about.

Of course, I am not condoning the use of drugs. Of course, they pose negative health effects, and by creating actual 'drug' (cocaine, heroin, etc.) stores we may be keeping the state things stagnant, since drugs will still be available to these lower-income areas. However, in doing this, the drug czars and the power of gangs decrease significantly, the lower-income zones where a significant percentage of people (adult black males) are either in prison or have been in prison for a drug charge are given a say in their government (felonies in many states mean disenfranchisement: look it up!) and the opportunity to change themselves, and innocents who are truly only harming themselves at the core of it all can decide what they want to do with their body.

I just wrote an essay. Oh, well. Feel free to start a discussion or rip me apart, that's what forums are for.
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Ejanss wrote:


bronzefoot wrote:

There is an old saying that in a perfect society all drugs would be legalised and in the perfect society no-one would want them.


While trying to be clever--and taking Ron Paul's, Mike Gravel's and Ken Burns' mainstream-intellectual cop-out Libertarian view, ie. that, heavens, they don't use it themselves, but it would just be bad to forbid anything--that sort of sums up the reason:
Legalization isn't expressing a mass view, it's people who want something that makes you want it very badly, asking why they can't get it. Which sort of emphasizes the sad problem of steps we have to take to prevent people from wanting it.

(Like the old joke: "On my birthday, as a kid, my parents allowed me to eat all the ice cream I wanted; the catch was, I wasn't allowed to want any.")


rabbitofcaerbannog wrote:
I recall Ron Paul saying something like that in some of his speeches. There was also an episode of "The Morton Downey Jr Show" from the 1980s (it's on YouTube by the way), where Morton Downey Jr. tells Paul that he will vomit all over him if he got into the White House (Paul was running as the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988).


(Ah, Morton Downey, the very, very poor man's pre-Rush Limbaugh, back in the days when we still believed he was real, ie. before he spray-canned his own face and exposed himself as a big fat ratings-desperate fraud. Not that it wasn't apparent already, but we were much more naive about things in the Reagan 80's.
I've been meaning to watch the Netflix documentary on him, but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to go back there yet. Now that we have real actual loonies like Bill O'Reilly and Donald Trump, Morton's Reagan-era revival-tent fakie-show now seems almost quaint.)


Morton Downey Jr. a poor mans Rush Limbaugh? His show actually pre-dated Rush by several years. Although MDJ made Rush seem polite by comparison, which is saying something.
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Well, my town borders Fremont, which has the meth central of the Bay Area located in it, so...


Which areas of Fremont, so I can avoid them when I'm there?
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Mark_Henry wrote:

The problem with drugs isn't that "if we legalize them, everybody will do them". When has something (like, hmm, drugs?) being illegal stopped people from doing it? People drink and drive, smoke weed, and do drugs EVEN THOUGH the government says that they aren't allowed to. Therefore, if a drug such as heroin or cocaine were to become legal, the only people who would do them are the SAME PEOPLE who would do (and CURRENTLY DO) them when they're illegal. Do you truly think that if cocaine was to become legal, everybody would suddenly start snorting it? No, it's ridiculous. People are aware that it isn't good for them and they will continue to not do it.
I'm not so sure. I believe that the restrictions and 'difficulty' obtaining the drugs are at least somewhat of a barrier to some people who might want to just try them. Also, we assume that we all know the implications with doing drugs, but some people are not aware just how much the drugs affect their bodies until it's too late (or else why would anyone ever start?).


I won't even get into the war on drugs, which has spent (wasted?) billions of dollars since the 80's on a worthless campaign that has gotten nowhere. However, the implications, intentional or unintentional, that it has created are undeniable: it targets lower-class, poverty-stricken parts of the country by punishing NOT the drug czars but the people, typically black males, who sell them because of the income that it provides. Look at it this way: would you rather work at a McDonald's at minimum wage in order to provide for your family, or would you rather make a lot of sweet, fast, tax-free money by selling crack on a street corner? The answer is obvious: you would do what any person with common sense would and feed your children. The users, with no other option, are also forced to go through shady, illegal routes to get what they not only want, but because of addiction, NEED. . This gives more power to the drug czars and distribution through the vehicle of money. By legalizing all drugs, these users and 'dealers' no longer have to go through illegal routes to sustain themselves.
I'm no expert on the drug war, but I'm pretty sure if the drugs are legal to sell, they won't be nearly as hard to acquire, so wouldn't that just make the prices go down?


If a person is caught with drugs, they are going to get arrested for it. In the United States, this means that they get introduced to the good ol' Prison Industrial Complex (PIC), since federal prisons are run by businesses. This isn't bad in itself, of course- referring to businesses when hiring help, getting food supplies, and things of that nature create an economy that can be relief on. The problem is when the prison itself is controlled by these businesses... which, they are. Naturally, if there are more prisoners, they will need more supplies like food, clothing... so doesn't it makes sense that these businesses WANT more inmates, since they get more money? According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, approximately 46% of all inmates are in prison for drug-related offenses, and this isn't even considering the other non-violent offenses that receive prison time, but that isn't what this is about.
I pretty much agree with everything here. Even though you kind of branched off topic xD.

I'm not really that much of a conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn't think that it's too far from the truth to say that right now we (as in American businesses) want more people in jail, because it is ultimately making them profit more. Which is why all these ridiculous sentences continue to be carried out.


Of course, I am not condoning the use of drugs. Of course, they pose negative health effects, and by creating actual 'drug' (cocaine, heroin, etc.) stores we may be keeping the state things stagnant, since drugs will still be available to these lower-income areas. However, in doing this, the drug czars and the power of gangs decrease significantly, the lower-income zones where a significant percentage of people (adult black males) are either in prison or have been in prison for a drug charge are given a say in their government (felonies in many states mean disenfranchisement: look it up!) and the opportunity to change themselves, and innocents who are truly only harming themselves at the core of it all can decide what they want to do with their body.

I just wrote an essay. Oh, well. Feel free to start a discussion or rip me apart, that's what forums are for.

Really have no problems with your take on it at all. I can't pretend to offer a better solution for the drug situation in America, but just thought I'd add my own two cents.
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Legalize them, tax them, and regulate them.
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nanikore2 wrote:


byClear wrote:

Well, my town borders Fremont, which has the meth central of the Bay Area located in it, so...


Which areas of Fremont, so I can avoid them when I'm there?

It's just in Niles, it isn't that bad, but they live up in the hills surrounding the town. If you want to visit the old town Niles it's perfectly safe.

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If the US legalizes all drugs I'm moving to Canada >.>
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Heh, I just really don't like the idea of making illegal stuff legal as a solution to crime. I mean, drug traffickers will probably just switch to something like human trafficking and I don't think we want to make that legal.
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Oh yeah sure, let's legalise all drugs because FREEEEDOOOOM!

I mean, it's not like drugs are dangerous or make you do crazy things right?
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The amount of edginess in this thread from both sides is hilarious.
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