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Ok just who the heck's lying... None of these stupid news outlets are helping, all they're doing is printing and re-printing the "lying lying lying" over and over without saying who is lying and who isn't.

Gee thanks. Maybe CR would be more helpful

Who is lying? Is it Cruz lying or Trump lying about Cruz lying? Heck it can't be BOTH

Edit: I found this NYT story that, if correct and is the whole story, indicates that Trump is lying about Cruz lying:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/17/ted-cruz-rebuffs-donald-trump-ad-lawsuit-threat/

What I'm actually annoyed with is all these "news articles" with trolling headlines but don't tell me what I want to know AFTER they trolled me with the headlines
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Why not both? Lies are par for the course in politics.
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Why not both? Lies are par for the course in politics.


Are those Cruz statements true or not, the news outlets should've just printed "true statements" or "false statements" instead of a bunch of nothing
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Because somebody made statements. How are they both true and false
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Lol Both
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It would help if you told us what specifically they were accusing each other of lying about...

But they both usually lie about almost everything so I wouldn't be surprised if they were both wrong in whatever this fight is. There's a lot of irony in Trump calling someone else a liar. You'd figure he'd like Cruz more since he keeps telling us how much he and Cruz have in common.
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You can't be for and against something at the same time


PhantomGundam wrote:

It would help if you told us what specifically they were accusing each other of lying about...

But they both usually lie about almost everything so I wouldn't be surprised if they were both wrong in whatever this fight is. There's a lot of irony in Trump calling someone else a liar. You'd figure he'd like Cruz more since he keeps telling us how much he and Cruz have in common. :lol:


It's all the headlines about Trump wanting to sue Cruz after Cruz allegedly made false statements on Trump's positions
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You can't be for and against something at the same time


If it means holding a office yes they can. I hate politicians, they all lie through their teeth and give empty promises.

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I don't know, I think Donald Trump is running for President just because he is bored and felt like it. He has the money and then some to do it. Does he want power? Probably. I think he just wants to run and win on a whim he had to see what it is like to be the POTUS. So, they are both lying because they both want to win. The question should instead be, why do they want to win?
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Both.
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Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:




You can't be for and against something at the same time


If it means holding a office yes they can. I hate politicians, they all lie through their teeth and give empty promises.



So ironically Trump's not lying about Cruz lying?


Khaltazar wrote:

I don't know, I think Donald Trump is running for President just because he is bored and felt like it. He has the money and then some to do it. Does he want power? Probably. I think he just wants to run and win on a whim he had to see what it is like to be the POTUS. So, they are both lying because they both want to win. The question should instead be, why do they want to win?


Given just how easily triggered this guy is I seriously doubt he's dumb enough to want to go through the whole wringer just on a whim.
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nanikore2 wrote:


Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:




You can't be for and against something at the same time


If it means holding a office yes they can. I hate politicians, they all lie through their teeth and give empty promises.



So ironically Trump's not lying about Cruz lying?


They may quite literally both have sources and proof that say they are not lying. But seeing as how Trump has rarely ever done anything that doesn't help himself I'd side with Cruz. I mean Trump is a person who will and has destroyed other people's lives for his own gain. One of his golf courses is a good example he tried to get people out of their homes so he can demolish them because they were apparently a eyesore to him, weather he actually was able to do it IDK but that isn't someone I want running the country.
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nanikore2 wrote:

Given just how easily triggered this guy is I seriously doubt he's dumb enough to want to go through the whole wringer just on a whim.


I'm pretty sure that's just an act. He is a drama queen after all. He'll do anything for attention, and the media happily gives it to him.

Anyways, I just took a quick look and it looks like they're both right and wrong on different things.

Cruz is pretty much accusing Trump of lying about his positions and being liberal. Technically, Cruz is correct about this since Trump really does flip flop on his stances (pro-abortion, pro-government dictated healthcare, wanting a liberal in the SCOTUS, etc.) and pretends that he supports the conservative positions whenever it's convenient for him. Trump also has a habit of saying one thing and then denying it entirely the next day. Trump can deny that all he wants, but Cruz is right.

Then there's Trump accusing Cruz of cheating in Iowa. Since Iowa republicans historically favor evangelical candidates, it stands to reason many of Carson's supporters would move on to Cruz. On the night of the caucus, Carson decided to go home instead of move on to New Hampshire. Cruz's campaign instantly took advantage of this and told everybody that Carson was dropping out and so they shouldn't waste their vote on him. It's more likely than not that Cruz won with such a wide margin thanks to the confusion he instigated. There's no way to know for sure if he still would've won if he didn't do that, but he did lie in order to trick the voters. So Trump is correct about Cruz using dirty tactics in an attempt to "steal" Iowa. He's just wrong about everything else.
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Posted 2/17/16 , edited 2/17/16
In general they both lie all the time? It's how they got successful.
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