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Post Reply Can a person take a cliche idea and make it into an original one?
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Yep
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Yah. We pretty much have done a spin on anything and everything that we can conceive of until someone comes up with a new idea that changes how we look at things or invents something previously not thought of.

Until then, the best thing you can do is take someone else's idea and make it your own as best as possible. That's why it's annoying for me to see people downgrade other's ideas (as well as anime/games/movies/etc.) as 'already done before'. No shit.
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Instead of simply putting no. Explain more.
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It is possible if you take a cliche but then do it in a completely different way. For example, the magical girl genre has become a cliche but Madoka Magica took it and flipped it around, making it dark.
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Theres cliches in pretty much everything. While it isn't possible for a cliche to be original (unless its a very broadly defined cliche, but then I wouldn't call that a cliche, I'd call it a genre), it is possible to subvert cliches and go against expectations alongside cliches.
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qualeshia3 wrote:


Instead of simply putting no. Explain more.


I refuse due to the fact that I feel like I have been through this with you several times. Um, I think this question might have some relation the one I answered a few weeks back; can't remember though.
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Yes, it is possible to put a whole new twist on old cliches. For instance, back when I was little, you had the usual children's stories and fairy tales of Cinderella, Hansel & Gretel, Snow White and Rose Red, King Arthur, Robin Hood, and others... but they were always told in the classical style. Disney might add some comedy with the mice in Cinderella or something but for the most part they were always set in pre-industrial times with the standard happy ending. Then along came Esther Friesner and Jack Chalker with their Chicks in Chain Mail and River of Dancing Gods and all of a sudden you had fairy tales where the princess saves herself and the prince, or where a trucker becomes a barbarian with a magic sword named Irving. From there, you started having some of the more modern style urban fantasy where the fairy tales become mixed up with modern life, like Mercedes Lackey's Serrated Edge series or some of Charles de Lint's stuff. Then you start seeing the more "adult" versions of the kiddy stories where they take a horror slant like American McGee's Alice in Wonderland, Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters, or they take on a romance side like Marian Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon, and Laurell K. Hamilton's stuff.

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JuJu26 wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:


Instead of simply putting no. Explain more.


I refuse due to the fact that I feel like I have been through this with you several times. Um, I think this question might have some relation the one I answered a few weeks back; can't remember though.


Fine.
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Yes you can. A very good example Gene Simmons. This man has made money on cliches ideas.
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Yeah its pretty easy, they already started doing it

Present the cliche and then go about talking about it like nobody knows what's going on, but the viewer is like, ok I see what you did there, talking about a cliche so nonchalantly that it creates a new outcome that is based around a cliche, but it actually just pokes fun at it, so then it becomes a new cliche in the end. So it is an original cliche, boom, mind was just blown.
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qualeshia3 wrote:I was just wondering if it is possible to make a cliché idea an original idea. Pretty much you take a cliché and try to add some originality to it. Can it be done?


Ironically, I was going to look up my own response, and realize...wait, this isn't the exact same thread you already posted two weeks ago, this is a new one.
Which, if you're asking about "originality", does bring up some questions.

(I mean...don't you HAVE an actual online writing critique group you can ask these metaphoric artistic-creation questions to? I know we have a forum for that, but you've really been asking us to talk you through your book chapter by chapter, and there is a place for that.)
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There are only like 32 actual plots that you can do in a story. These plots have been done over and over again but we still keep going back because each creator makes it their own.
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One Punch man - Its a cliche about over powered main characters but does t so well.
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Ejanss wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:I was just wondering if it is possible to make a cliché idea an original idea. Pretty much you take a cliché and try to add some originality to it. Can it be done?


Ironically, I was going to look up my own response, and realize...wait, this isn't the exact same thread you already posted two weeks ago, this is a new one.
Which, if you're asking about "originality", does bring up some questions.

(I mean...don't you HAVE an actual online writing critique group you can ask these metaphoric artistic-creation questions to? I know we have a forum for that, but you've really been asking us to talk you through your book chapter by chapter, and there is a place for that.)


Nope.
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NekobasuRider wrote:

Most original ideas are twists on cliches. They combine cliches to make something new, or they use cliches as a base and then build upon them in an unexpected way, or they take the cliche and do the opposite. I don't believe something can even be a "twist" if it's not playing on your expectations, but you wouldn't have expectations if the premise or scenario wasn't familiar.


I agree about this part.

NekobasuRider wrote:

For example, the cliche is that the hero defeats the villain at the end. That's your expectation. So the only way for there to be a twist on that cliche is to have the hero lose, die, fail, etc. Otherwise the cliche would just play out the same as always. But cliches can be a good thing, because endings like that could be really unsatisfying.

For another example, the main suspect in mysteries and cop dramas is never the actual culprit. But that's a good thing. If the suspect the writer wanted you to think did it actually did it, then there's no mystery. The detective or whoever just figured it out right away. At that point the story would become about finding evidence, which would probably get boring.


That's not how the old series Colombo worked. The main point was how he was going to get the suspect to trip up.


NekobasuRider wrote:
The fun is in trying to figure out or guess which of the other 4 or 5 suspects is guilty. You see this cliche all the time because it works to create the suspense and uncertainty you want as a writer. There's no twist if you know who did it, so that rules the main suspect out, see? If it was who you thought it was all along, it'd be boring and obvious, and the reveal of "whodunnit" wouldn't be shocking or satisfying.

So it's not automatically good to go against cliche, but twists only come from going against your expectations.
So it's a balancing act.




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