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Kerst wrote:

You can save yourself time and Read BlueOni's post since she actually took apart your stupidity with actual facts.


It bears mention at this point that Max is an originalist while I'm not, and so we view constitutional law and matters such as discrimination statutes very differently. I lean more toward the sort of thinking Ginsburg tends to espouse, while he seems to tend more toward the sort of thinking Scalia put out and Alito still does. It's also worth mention that I'm not a lawyer even if I do think of myself as being fairly reasonably capable of reading legislation and court briefs even if there may be subtleties that I won't always pick up on.

It's no surprise that we'd come to opposing conclusions, really.
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Lets keep this thread very very clean please. The subject matter cropping up can easily become heated and lead to some bad blood/flaming and that is not the sort of forum atmosphere we want to encourage.

To Kerst I will say this. As a person who is from, and lives in, a "southern state" I like to remind you that Alabama and Mississippi are just two states and I doubt you know everyone or everywhere in both of those states. Personally in my southern state which I won't name I am within s 30 minute drive of a very well known LGBT only bar and 40 minutes from an "Art Community" town that is comprised almost entirely of homosexual people. That doesn't mean you are not in a bad place or the people who deal with on a daily basis are not bigots or racists.... but don't let a small part of a very large world convince you everyone is rotten. There are bigots and racists in every state and country on this planet, the trick is finding the people who aren't.
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Karkarov wrote:

Lets keep this thread very very clean please. The subject matter cropping up can easily become heated and lead to some bad blood/flaming and that is not the sort of forum atmosphere we want to encourage.

To Kerst I will say this. As a person who is from, and lives in, a "southern state" I like to remind you that Alabama and Mississippi are just two states and I doubt you know everyone or everywhere in both of those states. Personally in my southern state which I won't name I am within s 30 minute drive of a very well known LGBT only bar and 40 minutes from an "Art Community" town that is comprised almost entirely of homosexual people. That doesn't mean you are not in a bad place or the people who deal with on a daily basis are not bigots or racists.... but don't let a small part of a very large world convince you everyone is rotten. There are bigots and racists in every state and country on this planet, the trick is finding the people who aren't.


I'm well aware but I've been in the south more than just these two states for over half my life and alot of my friends are from them and while the entire state isn't its still worst in prejuidice ingeneral down here out of the rest of the US.
It doesn't help that my father and aunt have worked in Law since I was 13 and every other night your hear about someone being arrested for attacking someone who is gay.
Or that my ex was thrown out of his house by his parents because he was gay.
Or how you hear people preach about the good word of God and how he hates anyone who is gay.

I'm not from the U.S. but I live here now so I know the World is very large place.
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Just finished reading the entire bill (NOT a law yet).

Oops my bad, First amendment- I fixed it.

Depends what you mean by "medical services" - refusing to sell condoms is one thing; no one would ...or be allowed under the law, to refuse medical treatment like a blood transfusion - which would be a "compelling state interest". Even if a child wants therapy for homosexual desires in California the law forces him, not to get it ...but if the same boy wanted to "transition" to a woman, he gets full support - that is screwed up!

No one is going to ask if a guy is homosexual before renting a car! How ridiculous; that section of the bill referred to wedding services anyway.

emails secured through public records requests have proven state officials in Oregon asked a homosexual activist group what should be done concerning the cake bakers - which is illegal! A state official even purchased a ticket to their fund raiser ...the whole thing reeks of corruption. Thank you Mississippi for protecting religious citizens whether they belong to a church or not - even a religious business (GASP).

A lesbian couple is free to find accommodation elsewhere, not force others to be unable to operate a business according to their own convictions ...at least in Mississippi; other states need to change their unjust laws (Oregon, California) by offering reasonable accommodation to people of faith - "public accommodation" is no excuse to trample over religious liberty. Activists are LOOKING for religious businesses to sue; FORCE, that's the way the left operates.


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....you dont like gay people? wow guess what thats the same way i feel about you crazy ppl who take religion too far!! :P

im sure this is bait but your post is bad and you should feel bad. what i could manage to read of it anyway.
cuz its so stupid. (i didnt read your second post but whatever. im sure im not missing out.)


I don't dislike homosexual people ...unless they want to force their views on me. Not "bait" but a view differing from your own; I feel ....happy an gay about my very intelligent post.

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this law sounds stupid but at the same time uhh i wouldnt want to give money to people like that anyway. you dont like gay people? wow guess what thats the same way i feel about you crazy ppl who take religion too far!! :P


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"Mississippi passes law against anti-religious bigotry" would have been a better tittle for this thread. What a good, reasonable, and yes ...constitutional law(s)! Liberals and homosexual activists will not be able to victimize people of faith FORCING them to adopt their own sexual beliefs.

"with a preference toward boys" ....um, that is illegal.

Unlike the backward regime in Oregon, religious people won't be destroyed by homosexual activists working (illegally) in conjunction with governmental officials to COMPEL or destroy a family that will sell cakes to homosexuals but not participate in their same sex ceremony.

Religious adoption charities who place children with married couples (which means male/female for the confused) won't be shut down and FORCED by intolerant leftists who can't abide that policy even though private and governmental agencies exist who do place with same sex couples.

An elderly couple opening a B&B in their home won't be FORCED to violate their beliefs by a lesbian couple? Now THAT is real tolerance!

The First Amendment protects the free exercise of religion; this law does not violate the 14th. OBERGEFELL was a bad decision (that will be overturned) that created a new right outside the legislative process.


im sure this is bait but your post is bad and you should feel bad. what i could manage to read of it anyway.
cuz its so stupid. (i didnt read your second post but whatever. im sure im not missing out.)
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One thing I've never understood is how servicing gay people violates anyone's religious beliefs. Anyone have an explanation?
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Welcome to America. The united States of prejudice, discrimination, homophobia, and religious nutjobs who hate gay love but are fine with shooting things.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

One thing I've never understood is how servicing gay people violates anyone's religious beliefs. Anyone have an explanation?


Read Matthew 19 (Bible)

As in the case of the Oregon cake bakers they DID service homosexual people! What they would not do was write a message on the cake approving of the ceremony.

Religophobia and faith based discrimination (& prejudice) is alive and thriving! Sadly.

SHAME Oregon!
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Kerst wrote:

Ok I'm bi-sexual with a prefrence towards boys and I sadly live in Mississippi. As everyone knows the southern states are racist and prejuidice.

Well lovely recently Mississippi just passed a law to refuse "service" to anyone who is in a same-sex relationship they can refuse to marry them, serve them, rent them a apartment, or just about anything as long as they state it's against their religious beliefs.

Fucking south man.
Fucking Mississippi this is the same states that banned sex toys because they promote sex. Ugh this state is so stupid.


1. NO LAW HAS BEEN PASSED!!! The thread topic is wrong! This is a BILL, passed by the House in the Miss. legislature, it still has to go through the Miss. Senate, where it will be subject to amendments and changes.

2. Per the news article,

The bill could let circuit clerks refuse to issue marriage licenses or judges refuse to perform marriage ceremonies for gay or lesbian couples. It could also let businesses refuse services for same-sex weddings. It says the state could not punish religious organizations that make hiring or firing decisions about employees whose actions conflict with the organization's beliefs.

The bill also says the state could not punish religious organizations that refuse to place children with gay parents and that the state could not punish adoptive or foster parents based on the beliefs the parents use to raise a child.


A law is determined by its exact language. The article doesn't have the language that presently exists.

Meaning that you have incorrectly stated the scope of the present bill, as stated in the article.

Meaning, as described in the article, this bill, if it becomes law in its present form, would prevent bakers, florists, caterers, reception halls, etc., from having to provide services to a same sex wedding. It would protect clerks and judges from violating their religious faith in providing services to same-sex marriages. It would also protect religious adoption agencies from being forced to violate their faith to arrange adoptions for same sex couples, and protect religious organizations from being forced to hire someone who is in violation of their faith.

The article does include:

Rob Hill, director of the gay-rights group Human Rights Campaign Mississippi, said gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender adoptive or foster children could be subjected to coercive "conversion therapy."

http://www.sunherald.com/news/state/mississippi/article61295217.html#storylink=cpy

However, that claim, while accompanied by a quote of outrage, doesn't cite any language that would be the basis for such a defense. The law appears to be solely designed to protect people who view same-sex marriage as it is preached in accordance with religious faith stretching back thousands of years.

As presently reported as written, it would not prevent a gay person from getting a rental car. It might, however, be used to allow a livery company to not have to provide limos for a same-sex wedding.

Again, THIS IS NOT YET A LAW!!! It still needs to go through Miss. Senate. Almost certainly, some sort of law will be passed. However, it should be noted that the issue of gay marriage did not pass in a single state including in the North, the East and the West, not just the South. So if you want to accuse Mississippi of bigotry, you need to accuse just about every other state as well.
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All these Rollers posting on how it's "Unconstitutional", when I'm willing to bet 100% none of the people on here even have a slight idea of how Federal or State law even works.

/sigh
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x7610 wrote:

this law sounds stupid but at the same time uhh i wouldnt want to give money to people like that anyway. you dont like gay people? wow guess what thats the same way i feel about you crazy ppl who take religion too far!! :P


dougeprofile wrote:

"Mississippi passes law against anti-religious bigotry" would have been a better tittle for this thread. What a good, reasonable, and yes ...constitutional law(s)! Liberals and homosexual activists will not be able to victimize people of faith FORCING them to adopt their own sexual beliefs.

"with a preference toward boys" ....um, that is illegal.

Unlike the backward regime in Oregon, religious people won't be destroyed by homosexual activists working (illegally) in conjunction with governmental officials to COMPEL or destroy a family that will sell cakes to homosexuals but not participate in their same sex ceremony.

Religious adoption charities who place children with married couples (which means male/female for the confused) won't be shut down and FORCED by intolerant leftists who can't abide that policy even though private and governmental agencies exist who do place with same sex couples.

An elderly couple opening a B&B in their home won't be FORCED to violate their beliefs by a lesbian couple? Now THAT is real tolerance!

The First Amendment protects the free exercise of religion; this law does not violate the 14th. OBERGEFELL was a bad decision (that will be overturned) that created a new right outside the legislative process.


im sure this is bait but your post is bad and you should feel bad. what i could manage to read of it anyway.
cuz its so stupid. (i didnt read your second post but whatever. im sure im not missing out.)


"CUZ, CUZ, it's SAH stupid, BAKA". "if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you".
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Federal law already has precedence that makes this illegal to enforce. Simply because it is against both Federal and UN constitutional rights to refuse based on lifestyle choice. That said, there is code of conduct that can be enforced provided it does not fall into descrimination. Dress codes and action are all examples of this. So a business could put up a no kissing/handholding for a restaurant or other place of business, but that would have to apply to all people.

This will be gone in short order. Is just saber rattling. Reason being? Serving or providing business to somebody isn't against any religion. Christianity for example.

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As a basic fundamental teaching from in early childhood days, and one of the major portions of the messages spread through the gospels in regards to Jesus is that religion is in one's self and even if one doesn't follow your belief, that means you must be kind and accepting of them even more.
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Who wants to live over there anyway?
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Honestly, religion is holding us back on so many levels. The stupidity is astounding.
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Vaporisor wrote:

Federal law already has precedence that makes this illegal to enforce. Simply because it is against both Federal and UN constitutional rights to refuse based on lifestyle choice. That said, there is code of conduct that can be enforced provided it does not fall into descrimination. Dress codes and action are all examples of this. So a business could put up a no kissing/handholding for a restaurant or other place of business, but that would have to apply to all people.

This will be gone in short order. Is just saber rattling. Reason being? Serving or providing business to somebody isn't against any religion. Christianity for example.

IT
IS
AGAINST
CHRISTIANITY
TO
REFUSE

As a basic fundamental teaching from in early childhood days, and one of the major portions of the messages spread through the gospels in regards to Jesus is that religion is in one's self and even if one doesn't follow your belief, that means you must be kind and accepting of them even more.


Okay...

1. There's no such thing as "UN Constitutional rights". Tell that to all the homosexuals who get executed in the Middle East.

2. You're Canadian. What knowledge do you have of the US Constitution?

3. Christianity? The Bible condemns it in both the Old and New Testaments. It is against Christianity to assist a sinner in sin. Are there certain Christian religions that have changed their position on homosexuality and/or on same-sex marriage? Sure there are. But there are many other Christian religions, and other religions, that have not.
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