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Posted 2/20/16 , edited 2/20/16
I'm going to vote for Bernie Sanders, and I'll list why below, but first I'd like anyone not from the US to mention how they voted, so I can keep track below.

US Votes Only:

-Bernie Sanders: 7
-Hillary Clinton: 0
-Donald Trump: 4
-Ted Cruz: 0
-A Republican that isn't a Racist, Sexist, Xenophobe, and can compromise: 0



I'm personally voting for Bernie Sanders because:

-He's the only Politician that I've ever had the chance to vote for that doesn't run a negative campaign
-He's actually nice
-He's been saying the same things forever, unlike most politicians who are two faced liars
-Did I mention he's not like all the other politicians
-He has similar political beliefs (Capitalism doesn't work without huge government oversight, the US is too far to the right, "If Europe can make it work, why can't we?", the list goes on and on)
-I actually agree with every single thing he says, which has never happened with all of the other politicians out there
-He's called out the US government for looking very close to an Oligarchy, with all of the "Big Money" in Politics.
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Posted 2/20/16
Feel the Bern.
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Can't stump the Trump!

I'm British, not a ruddy colonial, so I don't actually have to worry much about what happens to the USA. If I had to pick one to actually run my country, I'd naturally pick Bernie Sanders but that's meaningless beyond the fact that the "overton window" over here is in a different place and he's the only guy who might fit in.

I'm much more interested in the kind of systemic change that the very idea of "President Trump" represents. This is distinct from whether he himself would be any good; imagine what the 2020 election would look like, how the lay of the land of American democracy would be changed, if 2016's one gave us President Donald Trump. Isn't that worth whatever damage he might do? Sure, that's probably more appealing to you if you're an accelerationist than if all you want is a bit of democratic reform, but I'm pro- both of those things. Also, from a less morally righteous angle, when a political office barely affects my life but shows up in the news a lot (e.g. US presidents), I'd rather that office be filled by larger-than-life cartoon people than by the boring suits that so many politicians, especially here (Boris Johnson the glorious exception) tend to be.

Oh, one other point about Trump: There already is a wall, if you're not advocating open borders, but you decry "we need to build a wall" as horrible bigotry, what the hell do you want?
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Trump. I don't trust any of them, especially Hillary, but I see value in Trump as a businessman. I'm interested in whether or not he can financially aid the US. I'd rather him as Treasurer, but we can't vote over that. I want to see if he can positively impact our economy and mountainous dept at all within one term. We need to sort out our country's finances, big time. Call me rigid, but I think we need an economic overhaul right now. Not even one century ago, we had the Great Depression. In 2008, we had a mini one. Our dept has multiplied astronomically during the last two decades alone. This shit needs worked out.
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aeb0717 wrote:

I see value in Trump as a businessman..


He should stay as a business man. He is a fascist, a violent man. A lot of countries hate him and I don't think we want that.
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24 / F / Johnstown, PA, USA
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Posted 2/20/16
He can't be utilized, that way, it seems. And the US is sneered at, regardless.
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Banks are crooks and the US Government is both a soft tyranny and an oligarchy, not a wanna be. The US is a democracy in name only. For those points I like Bernie but he, Hitlery, and Trump are too old for the job of figurehead entertaining the great unwashed, politically speaking. Barry is the right age but he's too idealistic and likely won't get the nod even if he attempted a 3rd term. George Soros who some believe to be his backer and mentor is powerful but he doesn't have time to waste his effort playing God here in the US yet as there's too much money to be made playing the Canadian currency card for the time being. We'll deserve his attention later if and when the dollar starts heading south so he can short the currency in favor of ______________ .<----- place your fav foreign currency here

Huge government oversight? Oh, brother. This government is as corrupt as your views toward capitalism might be. It has always been an imperfect system. All government does is look after, handsomely pay itself. It doesn't create anything but economic misery account screwed up, ill conceived policies benefitting no one but themselves; it merely consumes capital while denigrating the economic structures and well-being of its citizenry with zero consequences to itself. Too bad capitalism over here has gotten away from a modicum of fiduciary responsibility toward the populations it serves (using the term loosely rather than as a pun) and regressed back into an uber-predatory regime in the last 10-15 years but total government control isn't the answer unless you wish to live like present day Cuba.

As far as the straw man -ist descriptors go both sides are culpable. The utopian world you seek is a fiction. It could never exist in real world human terms unless you are at the very top of the bureaucratic ponzi pyramid like Hitlery strives to be. The European models are deeply flawed also. A few have posited that Europe is as broke as the US is trying to float well intentioned poorly designed schemes that don't work.

Compromise? Dems haven't compromised with the Elephants at all since possibly before you were born. The HR and Senate no longer operate on a adversarial plane meting out the best of ideas for approval. It has been a country club full of elitists for years. Any newbie going in wanting change will either be shown the exit or brow-beaten into submission by the Established Order entrenched on either side. It's sad. The only way those bastards can be removed is a no warning mega-ton nuclear explosion with uber collateral damage.......not going to happen any time soon.

Barry was able to get some of his stuff past the oligarchy by using either the race card or Executive Privilege. Do what ya gotta do.

Aim your vitriol at the Federal Reserve, big banks, their minions, and the Saudis instead. The Fed has been awarding their bank members 6% dividends for years while our fiat money papered economy remains flat from the quantitative easing printing of thin air money paying anyone further down the food chain a pittance or 0% saving rate. Read Web of Debt (The Shocking Truth About our Money System and How we can Break Free) by Ellen Hodgson Brown, JD. It's an interesting expose about duplicity on the people and you don't need a PhD or Masters in Economics to understand her tenets. Very readable.

My Party? Don't have 1. Neither side has represented me for decades. My vote (waste of time that it is) will go Ted Cruz but I doubt he'll get past the Republic Convention deal making.



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Posted 2/21/16
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bemused_Bohemian wrote:and you don't need a PhD or Masters in Economics to understand her tenets.



Why would you feel the need to say that? The people most likely to oppose fiat currency are the ones who don't understand economics well enough to really understand the concept, who will knee-jerk dismiss it as not having "real value" as if that's a meaningful term.
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Posted 2/21/16
Bernie Sanders, his main stance falls on education and he is one of the few candidates who has openly addressed the failing infrastructure of the U.S., the other being Rand Paul.

Hillary's main selling point is on Foreign Policy, which I do agree is quite important, but I feel does not warrant her to the presidency. Aside from that, her stances domestically feel somewhat gimmicky. She pushes for equality, which sounds nice but does little in terms of policy or agenda. Pushing for more women in the STEM fields is a nice ring, but aside from education reform or financial aid, this falls outside of Hillary's power, and I would much rather have Sanders running the show if education reform is coming.

Donald Trump I am against. Racist, islamophobic, and otterly crazy things aside, Trump's agenda holds no real weight behind it. He makes plenty of promises and open ended statements, but does very little in the way of telling how these will come about. Take the wall he plans to build. Trump has already come forth with a projected price of $7 Billion. He claims he will make Mexico pay for it, but how is that to occur? What kind of conditions would the U.S. need to be put into in order for such a contract to be agreed to?

Ted Cruz is a bleach candidate, and one I do not agree with. He wishes to rid the U.S. of Obamacare, the Department of Education, tax codes (which he wishes to recreate with a flat tax rate) and virtually eliminate the IRS. He also has stated his foreign policy will be to continue to hold leadership on the global stage, however it is unknown how much conflict will arise from this stance. His stance on abortion also troubles me, as he sees life as a gift from god and therefore is pro-life. I do not concern myself with abortion laws since I am male, however his defense for pro-life conflicts with "separation of church and state" and I find issue with that.

TL;DR - Bernie Sanders because of education reform. Hillary's policy feels gimmicky, Trump's policy is non-existent, and Cruz wants to disband too many things.
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Posted 2/21/16
My question is why voting for Trump?
Posted 2/23/16
Rias Gremory for el president
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Posted 2/23/16
I made this joke once and I'll make it again.
Donald Trump looks like he's turning into an orange because he's trying to turn into something smarter.
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