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They should be focusing on their studies first and then activism if they want to. The way I see it education needs to come first in this country then politics. Too many people get up in arms about an issue(s) and have been increasingly dropping everything around them to focus on those things. It would actually be a boon for activists to have an education because then they can get a job, pay for their lives, and pay into their particular activist activities.
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Kids today, so desensitized by media that they would rather become activists than actually do something productive.


Dude, you're the same age as Justice Gaines(tm). >.>


That's the problem, they act like children. The youth today that is my age, I wonder sometimes what age they really act upon, and that's why I said it
Posted 2/23/16
is this what our parents said about us..and their parents about them..etc etc.. idc if you protest but make it something worth protesting. i get the feeling most don't understand what they are protesting or why..what's their means to the end? they'll figure it out eventually or just become pc bros. w.e man
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That's the problem, they act like children. The youth today that is my age, I wonder sometimes what age they really act upon, and that's why I said it


As someone who was bitter and jaded at a young age watching my peers, I applaud your bitter jadedness of your peers.

Let us wish them off our collective lawns together~
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MeImportaTresCojones wrote:

Boo hoo I can't be a full time social justice warrior while being a full time ACADEMIC in ACADEMIA
Woe is me pls gib A's for my underwater basket weaving degree professors you cis scum kthx


Who pays 30k a year to go to school, but then blows it off, while feeling entitlement to benefits they in no way deserve, to become a social justice warrior and drop out ANYWAY, due to stress?
I bet these fuckers are all getting degrees in art or feminism/ women's rights classes.
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Southern55 wrote:

Last I checked, they weren't putting thousands of dollars of loans into being activists. Classes on the other hand...

Hell, I might as well go complain about how I had to drop out of college because I was playing video games instead of going to class. "How do you expect me to go to class when I have to reach platinum rank?!?! I'm gonna have panic attacks if I have to do both!"


From the sounds of it they are being activists just to be activists not because there is a real issue at hand.


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I'll be honest, I think there's more value in activism than in the modern college education in some ways.


Let's be honest, students I observed at nearly all levels of a selective school try to be the "best" person they can be by having an unreal workload. They encouraged this from the start, especially if your high school was a magnet or in some ways selective. You ARE EXPECTED to participate in school activities if you wanted to get in a good college, and expected to make good grades alongside that. This follows in college, where alongside the ability to drive, drives people to extend their workload so they'll have cushy jobs and whatnot. The problem is, these students are workaholics. They've been bred to be workaholics since their elementary school ended.


It is essentially a good thing to be political active, though I"ll take a drink on the cynic's gauntlet and say half of them aren't doing it out of good will, but that's just me. Realize that in their eyes its necessary for them to have such a workload. They're the type to get agitated when there's no work to be done. And essentially they're the type to stress out when they feel they haven't accomplish enough versus what they've already did.


Activism is worth even less than a college education but at least with a college education you have a piece of paper to show you completed it. It's at least better than the nothing you get from activism.

Hah school activities. I learned far more useful skills by not doing school activities than I ever would have gained by doing activities. Just go out and learn you don't need to be taught to learn.


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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I'll be honest, I think there's more value in activism than in the modern college education in some ways.


The value of a post secondary education has been depreciating at an alarming rate in recent years. Yet the cost of said education continues to increase. Having a degree is no guarantee of employment anymore. Yet students are told if they just get a degree they'll have their dream job and everything will be unicorns and rainbows.


Then you end up flipping burgers despite holding two degrees. Because there simply aren't jobs available in your field of study.





That's what I was made to believe then the recession happened and no one gave a fuck about degrees and just wanted experience... Thankfully I dove deep into the matrix and learned tons of computer skills that got me a job.

-> Every person that has a liberal arts degree
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runec wrote:


Humms wrote:
That's the problem, they act like children. The youth today that is my age, I wonder sometimes what age they really act upon, and that's why I said it


As someone who was bitter and jaded at a young age watching my peers, I applaud your bitter jadedness of your peers.

Let us wish them off our collective lawns together~


Huzzah! Agreed my good sir

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A simple question. Most of those suckers are majoring in something utterly useless anyways. Why the hell do grades mather to them? Most of them are facing a future of minimum wage jobs that they could have gotten if they simply dropped out of highschool. So why bother with classes at all? Why not just become a full time activist until money runs out? Doesn't mather either way from my pov.
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nichtmalda wrote: Most of them are facing a future of minimum wage jobs that they could have gotten if they simply dropped out of highschool. So why bother with classes at all? Why not just become a full time activist until money runs out? Doesn't mather either way from my pov.
lol --__--

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If people are spending their time being activists in university rather than studying, maybe this is why there's so many morons who believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories.
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It's good for their peers, less competition when graduation rolls around.



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Southern55 wrote:

Last I checked, they weren't putting thousands of dollars of loans into being activists. Classes on the other hand...

Hell, I might as well go complain about how I had to drop out of college because I was playing video games instead of going to class. "How do you expect me to go to class when I have to reach platinum rank?!?! I'm gonna have panic attacks if I have to do both!"


I will be as kind as I can. What is your relevance, apart from what not to do, for readers? Please read my tone as such. I genuinely do not understand, saving for a cautionary tale and as an example of the existing US system's failure, what you're trying to convey. Please do not take this as malicious. I seek a sincere understanding of your point.



My point is that they are students who pay to go to school. Their priority is to go to class and to learn. Being an activist regardless of their reason or efforts is nothing more than a hobby. Calling it a hobby isn't exactly appropriate but it's the best term off the top of my head. It's not impossible to put in 120% effort to get things done when you need to, but that's not something people can sustain for long periods for example the kids in this article having panic attacks and various other health/mental issues.

Priorities. That's all it is. You are a student, not a student activist.

To put this in anime terms since we are on an anime site. These students are trying to be like Rock Lee (Naturo just in case you don't know though I'm sure you do) and do more than is asked of them, they are trying to go above and beyond. But then they are complaining about all of the work and effort and the negative effects they are experiencing. They are the cause of their own pain, and they could easily fix the problem but instead choose to complain and have others give them leniency.


Pulled this out of the excerpt the OP posted-

"In the wake of The Herald’s opinion pieces, Gaines felt overwhelmed by emotions flooding across campus. Students were called out of class into organizing meetings, and xe felt pressure to help xyr peers cope with what was going on, xe said. Gaines “had a panic attack and couldn’t go to class for several days.”

Deans’ notes helped Gaines to complete academic work while staying involved in student activism."


This is what I read-

Gaines got caught up in the hype of those around him, skipped class to attend a meeting to organize a protest and because he couldn't cope with the pressure he panicked and skipped class for several more days. He then had a Dean give him an extension on his work which he was then granted to make himself look like he was supporting the students in their cause.


These protest are not something the school requires them to do. Therefore it's an extracurricular activity. Last I checked, my teacher wouldn't give me an extension on my homework because I spent all day playing video games. Now I get that video games and protest are different things and that it boils down to the teachers opinion. But in all reality this "activism" is unnecessary and should be treated as such in comparison to school work.


that's it, I didn't double over anything that I typed so there may be a tangent or two idk. Probably repeated myself as well.
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I just love this if they can't handle school work along with their activism then they're in for a rude awaking when they are skipping work and getting the boot. Assuming they could even handle part time work since I sincerely doubt they will find any meaning employment with those attitudes.
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THE FUTURE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD FOLKS.


Complain about it all you please (and sometimes I'd join you considering some of the things I've read, trolling or not), but it's the truth. Now, I could (and genuinely, I could) offer a furious, frustrated, agitated response to your objection. Many paragraphs, much rage. You've seen me do it, and I could do it again. I have never, ever been shy about picking a fight with you when I felt it warranted, you would agree? I am honest if nothing else, yes? As I have said on at least one occasion, that red star isn't merely for decoration, after all. But to what would it amount? Nothing. You and I view law, society, and even human nature fundamentally differently. Let's focus, instead, on what we might agree upon so as to make the cards at least a bit more interesting. Therein lies the more constructive dialogue, methinks. We're not so different in terms of social (if not, and I guarantee not, economic and foreign) policy. So let's focus upon the areas where we are at least proven remotely similar.

Here, then, are the initial probes I put forward as regards to this particular topic:

1. These students have, despite their best intentions, an imbalanced work-life...balance...and so need to come to terms with the fact that professional obligations exceed political aims. Otherwise, they must find a way to obtain honest (that is, honest) livelihoods in political activism. That is, not activism for its own sake, but rather where it is needed and they'll accept whatever crumbs that may offer. Dr. King and President Lincoln took bullets to the head for their beliefs. That is the life of an activist, and if one truly wishes to advance a cause nothing less is to be expected.

2. Students involved in political participation are generally a positive thing even if priorities need to be adjusted to account for the realities of professional life. One may not be able to pull off living an Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protester's life on a regular basis, but at least one bloody tries no matter where one leans. Incidentally (and no surprise) I lean toward the OWS movement even if I have many, many criticisms thereof and consider them to have (generally speaking) squandered their opportunity.

Ultimately, the students are to be students first and activists second. They are, whether through loans (which I consider to be an abomination), scholarships (which I consider inefficient), grants (which I consider too minimal), or the goodwill of their families (which I consider to be all too rare and impractical) attending tertiary institutions in the US for professional training stuck in a system that legitimately does not give a shit about their plight, and they must account their plans accordingly. Activism is, for better or worse, something to be taken up in one's middle age in the US instead of one's young adulthood due to the realities of the existing system in the US even if passions run hotter in the former.

I have, statistically, beaten the grants and loans based system the US uses to fund tertiary education over the head and shown it to be folly, a fool's errand, before. I will cite these posts again if it pleases you. But that's a topic for another day (though trust me, if it's a fight you want to have I have done my research). Simply put, these students must, under the existing system (for better or ill, and I'd argue definitely ill) consider themselves to be apprentices in very strict programmes. And they'd better be getting good advice at all steps in the process if they hope to succeed maximally, and God help them if they have a mental disorder (I didn't, and did respectively).




Hmmmm.......areas of agreement......


1. Agreed. It is deplorable that the deans are rewarding their behaviour instead of asking them, "If you are truly committed to your cause, are you willing to acknowledge society will enforce penalties against you? Are you willing to accept academic penalties as a means to gauge whether you can acknowledge the much greater penalties society will enforce against you outside academia if you are committed to your cause beyond here?"


2. I am not so sure that students being involved in political participation is a good thing in and of itself in college. They can bring about much harm through their ignorance, naivety, and willing to make the personal the political.





As far as a way to solve the outrageous cost of higher education in the States, it might require a bit of tough love.


Defund departments that do not return investment through research, development, or performing services for third parties.


Enact stricter requirements to enter university. If universities no longer get guaranteed money regardless of whether a student drops out or not, they would be more required to make sure that the students who do earn their way succeed, and will not have the money to spend on lavish administrator salaries, pet projects, football stadiums, and the like.





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So why bother with classes at all? Why not just become a full time activist until money runs out?


sounds like a good idea to me. better than wasting it on ridiculous college loans anyway.

and i highly value my education, even if i struggled in school, even if i have a mountain of debt, so i am seriously concerned at the number of people who think making up pronouns for their made up genders is more important than education

but waste your money how you will. who knows, if you talk big enough you may even gain financial support a degree in marketing and PR may even help you with that...
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