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You don't need to know the history of blackface comedy to know that its not okay to paint yourself a different skin colour for lawlz. And yet, every Halloween some morons do. Even some celebrities who should REALLY know better.


There is literally nothing wrong with painting yourself a different color for Halloween.
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I suppose soon something as simple as having a black t shirt will be racist.


I am a bad, bad person

I have a whole drawer full of plain black t-shirts.



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There is literally nothing wrong with painting yourself a different color for Halloween.


Hmm, okay, I take that back. Apparently you do need to know something about history to know its not okay. You shouldn't, but I guess you do if this is any indication. -.-

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Hmm, okay, I take that back. Apparently you do need to know something about history to know its not okay. You shouldn't, but I guess you do if this is any indication. -.-



No, it's definitely okay. There is nothing wrong with painting yourself as part of a costume for Halloween.
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The real problem here is the lack of any investigation before declaring the girls guilty of racism. Would it have really been so difficult to go talk to them before labeling them?

The girls had a right to take pictures of themselves. They had a right to post them online. Whether you think that makes them brainless bimbos or whatever is irrelevant. They have a fundamental right of self-expression and they chose to exercise it this way.

Then, without even being given a chance to defend themselves, they were slandered by this administrator because she misunderstood what they were doing.

Intent has value and importance. We should always give people a chance to explain why they did something before condemning them. Particularly nowadays because, simply put, we are not constantly seeing acts of racism perpetrated on a daily basis. Many people are actually unaware of the laundry list of words, behaviors, and other things some people think are racist.

For instance, I like fried chicken. Damn near everyone in the South likes fried chicken. If you go to the KFC nearest my home, it often has a majority of black customers. Because, as it turns out, they like fried chicken just as much as the whites in town do. My home town is also slightly majority black because, again, the South.

If I posted a picture of black customers at that KFC, ordering fried chicken from the mostly (possibly all) black servers, and captioned it "Average Day at KFC in Georgia" then I could easily be labeled a racist.

Why? Because at some point, depicting blacks eating fried chicken was considered racist and some still think it is, even though it is completely normal behavior for many black people in the South as well as for whites.

I could simply be intending to depict reality. I would, in fact, be depicting reality. However, I could still be condemned because of interpretations of my intent completely separate from my own thoughts and intentions.

Why? Because I'm white.

Somehow, assuming racist intent without proper evidence just because the speaker is a particular race / ethnicity seems like racism to me. However, many will endorse this line of thinking because, of course, everyone person is now expected to have encyclopedic knowledge of what is and is not considered "acceptable" behavior and thought. We are expected to be politically correct at all times, constantly self-censoring as not to offend anyone even as the list of things that cause offensive balloons to a staggering behemoth.

We are, quiet frankly, not very far from literally criminalizing ways of thinking rather than actual actions.
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Why people take thing too personal? Each person is different.. Even if they intended to be racist.. Who care.. Just simply ignored them and move on.

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No, it's definitely okay. There is nothing wrong with painting yourself as part of a costume for Halloween.


Yes, history would definitely like a word with you. >.>
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runec wrote:


Saemonza wrote:
No, it's definitely okay. There is nothing wrong with painting yourself as part of a costume for Halloween.


Yes, history would definitely like a word with you. >.>


Well I certainly don't want to offend history.
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Well I certainly don't want to offend history.


No worries! You won't be offending history. History is just there to tell you why you are terrible and offending people to begin with. :D

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How many people of this current generation even know a damn thing about blackface comedy? Serious question.


You don't need to know the history of blackface comedy to know that its not okay to paint yourself a different skin colour for lawlz. And yet, every Halloween some morons do. Even some celebrities who should REALLY know better.


That's not anywhere close to the point I was making.

What I'm implying is that with this specific blip of history known as blackface being often ignored and/or not typically generally taught knowledge to people of current generations, why should someone automatically assume this was even meant to portray said niche of comedy's past?

And why are we even debating this when it was clearly discovered to be a fucking mud mask?
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runec wrote:

No worries! You won't be offending history. History is just there to tell you why you are terrible and offending people to begin with. :D



I guess I bought this white face paint for nothing, then. No Justin Timberlake costume for me.
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That's not anywhere close to the point I was making.

What I'm implying is that with this specific blip of history known as blackface being often ignored and/or not typically generally taught knowledge to people of current generations, why should someone automatically assume this was even meant to portray said niche of comedy's past?


Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you there. I was mainly lamenting the annual Idiots In Blackface Costumes that comes up every Halloween by people who should know better.

That said, in the modern lexicon the term encompasses more than a very specific make up type used in the past. Idiots in blackface around Halloween each year are not specifically dressing up as a minstrel from the late 1800s. They are however repeating the purpose of said makeup and thats the problem.

Also given that the practice lasted for over 100 years I'm not sure you could call it a "blip" -.-
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I guess I bought this white face paint for nothing, then. No Justin Timberlake costume for me. :(


Don't worry! If you just let history into your heart you'll find out why attempting a reverse racism here doesn't work~
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Saemonza wrote:
No, it's definitely okay. There is nothing wrong with painting yourself as part of a costume for Halloween.


Yes, history would definitely like a word with you. >.>
I think you two might be arguing over something different than what the other thinks they are arguing about. If you are painting yourself up in blackface to be a caricature of a black person you are obviously being a dick, however as part of costume not depicting one say perhaps you are going as a skeleton or something there is absolutely nothing wrong with using black face paint for a costume. I think one of you is thinking of the former and the other is thinking of the latter. Context counts.


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As to the topic.... that Chancellor was stupid on the other end of the stupid scale than is usually present in these cases. I can see why she'd want to jump on that right away, as NOT jumping on the ball promptly, and sometimes outright dismissal or indifference, in actual cases of overt misconduct has happened often enough to give the impression that such misconduct is tacitly supported for whatever by the 'system' and not acting can be suicide for yours and the schools reputation. However like I said she went full stupid in the other direction and didn't do any inquiry before a public denouncement.

That photo is questionable enough to warrant a look into just in case if only to cover your bases, mainly I think because there is no context in the picture at all and the school has been having some problems with overt racism recently if you look into the sources, but jumping into action off of that photo alone was stupid as hell.

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On another note this "News" site is tinfoil hat wearing nutjob territory. Literally every article on the site has some sort of inflammatory title. There isn't a single article on the site that i can find that isn't trying to either blame psychotic outlier ultra left wing nutjob behavior as being representative of everyone left leaning, or going "woe is me, poor conservatives are always the victims" bullshit.

Luckily enough of this article was able to be parsed out to the facts that I could ignore the spin, especially going further into their linked sources, which didn't seem to show the exactly same picture. I still think that the Chancellor made the wrong choice here, but this type of story was only covered on that site so that they could paint a picture of "white victimization" via political correctness.

"Now, you might think that Kopper would feel pretty stupid and want to apologize to the students for her mistake. Nope. In an interview about the incident for local news source Channel 300, Kopper criticized the students for not thinking about “the implications and the impact that it would have”

Lulz. The students AGREED with her that they had been dumb to not think of the context of their picture. Yay for the article and that Senator white knighting people who didn't ask for it.
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