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In Defense of Political Correctness
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Posted 8/3/17 , edited 8/5/17
One issue that have with Political correctness is that now the truth is considered offensive. I mean it always has been but now so much more than ever.
And history offends people. They're trying to re write that as well.

And so many things that are fun and people enjoy are being ruined because of it (comics, movies, video games, etc)

Oh and because of it so many people are not living in reality.

Oh and the white guilt and self hate.

Hiring people based on race and gender instead of qualifications and etc.

Raising people to believe that females are completely equal to males in each and every way as in physically included. Yet the whole violence against women/domestic violence/rape culture claims and awareness is at an all time high. So which is it then?

Over promoting gays and now trans, etc.
Posted 8/3/17

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theYchromosome wrote:


bobland wrote:

You give some examples, but it barely covers the scope of the issues people have with political correctness.

When it comes to something like race, how do you draw the line between offensive and inoffensive? People who complain about people being too PC beleive that the line oversteps boundaries and makes almost everything offensive.

Really though, what is ethics? Everyone has a different moral code to them, and you really can't blanket everyone under one brand of ethics. What one may see as inethical, another may see as perfectly fine.

It does feel that nowadays, people get offended too easily.


My point is not to figure out what is or is not politically correct, but rather, "Is political correctness wrong?" or "Is calling something 'politically correct' a valid criticism?" I have no intention of debating whether or not, for instance, it's okay for a white guy to call his white friend 'my nigga.' That's for another time.


You keep using the word "point" when you should be using words like goal. Using definive words to describe a quarry will only invite missunderstanding and breed conflict-of course that's what you want otherwise you wouldn't be here asking us to define a word who's very definition is the seat to a multitude of hotbed issues.

Edit- I'll answer your question with a question.

Q. Does a insult or as you put it "crittique" warent anything more than aknowledgment thereof?

I think you know the answer.


Blast from the past here. How did this thread come back to life?

If the definition of a word is a hotbed of issues, wouldn't that make it even more important to be clear about which definition the person is using? And I'll just be blunt here--I have no idea what you're talking about. Acknowledgement of what, exactly? That a critique was made? That a critique is valid? What are you talking about? A critique usually does warrant more than the acknowledgement of a critique. A defense, counter, or argument is usually warranted as well, among other things. Acknowledging that a critique has been made isn't the same as acknowledging its validity. So put another way, a critique might not even warrant acknowledgement (let alone more than acknowledgment), if we are talking about acknowledgment of validity--it might not be valid. I have no idea what your question to my question is even asking.

On me 'knowing' the answer--you give me too much credit, sir. I don't even know the question.
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Political Correctness is neither,

1. Political as in social of, for, or relating to citizens.
2. Correctness is the ability to make error free.
3. "to err is human; to forgive, divine" (Alexander Pope, "Essay on Criticism")
4. Everyone makes mistakes.

Thus Political Correctness is a concept with out reality.
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I think you are using the term politically correct incorrectly. Because politically correct means unoffensive. By saying that SAO is a good anime, the person is describing a positive view of their show. Making damaging remarks of SAO, you are offending the person's positive view. Politically correct is used when one does not offend.
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By adding the word "political" in front of correctness, you are limiting it. Therefore, it's no longer truly correct. It may even be totally and utterly false, even though it doesn't offend anyone. Although even that is incorrect, as it is impossible to not offend anyone.

Personally, I am offended by political correctness. The truth may sometimes be cruel and harsh, but it's better than a comfortable lie.

I'll give an example from a German's perspective: Several sexual assault and rape cases (for example new year's eve 2015, Cologne) got covered up for because of political correctness and social justice. In the end, neither correctness nor justice was served, as criminals got away with their atrocities simply by being invaders (falsely labeled 'refugees').
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There is no defence of Political Correctness...

Because it based on nothing but lies.

And those who base their lives on lies become enslaved by them.
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I've always found that political correctness is the last bastion of the right, when someone is calling them on their racist sexist homophobic bullshit. It is the safe place they run to when a left winger reaches out and punches them hard and their snowflake world view collapses when the reality of their bad behavior is revealed.

But then that is how bullies always work they take umbrage at being called out for their behavior and immediately play the victim.

PC really is over used and those of us on the left really do need to punch back harder against the right wing snowflakes, it is okay to cuss someone out that is being a bigot or sexist or homophobic. If we did more often they would learn more quickly not to pick stupid fights they keep loosing. And if the snowflake is going to whine let them whine about something that is actually true rather then made up in their little hate filled heart.
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Posted 8/3/17

theYchromosome wrote:


52infinity wrote:


theYchromosome wrote:


bobland wrote:

You give some examples, but it barely covers the scope of the issues people have with political correctness.

When it comes to something like race, how do you draw the line between offensive and inoffensive? People who complain about people being too PC beleive that the line oversteps boundaries and makes almost everything offensive.

Really though, what is ethics? Everyone has a different moral code to them, and you really can't blanket everyone under one brand of ethics. What one may see as inethical, another may see as perfectly fine.

It does feel that nowadays, people get offended too easily.


My point is not to figure out what is or is not politically correct, but rather, "Is political correctness wrong?" or "Is calling something 'politically correct' a valid criticism?" I have no intention of debating whether or not, for instance, it's okay for a white guy to call his white friend 'my nigga.' That's for another time.


You keep using the word "point" when you should be using words like goal. Using definive words to describe a quarry will only invite missunderstanding and breed conflict-of course that's what you want otherwise you wouldn't be here asking us to define a word who's very definition is the seat to a multitude of hotbed issues.

Edit- I'll answer your question with a question.

Q. Does a insult or as you put it "crittique" warent anything more than aknowledgment thereof?

I think you know the answer.


Blast from the past here. How did this thread come back to life?

If the definition of a word is a hotbed of issues, wouldn't that make it even more important to be clear about which definition the person is using? And I'll just be blunt here--I have no idea what you're talking about. Acknowledgement of what, exactly? That a critique was made? That a critique is valid? What are you talking about? A critique usually does warrant more than the acknowledgement of a critique. A defense, counter, or argument is usually warranted as well, among other things. Acknowledging that a critique has been made isn't the same as acknowledging its validity. So put another way, a critique might not even warrant acknowledgement (let alone more than acknowledgment), if we are talking about acknowledgment of validity--it might not be valid. I have no idea what your question to my question is even asking.

On me 'knowing' the answer--you give me too much credit, sir. I don't even know the question.


Three things first and foremost.
1. When I said "Crittique" I was qouting your OP.
2.I had honestly forgotten words have a tendency to possess multiple meanings.
3.You answered my question.

Explaining 2-3

2.Words have multiple meanings.
But politically correct isn't a word it's a term. Therefore it only has one singular meaning given to it by the populace.

3.You answered my question.
I asked you if an insult/crittique required anything other than aknowledgement thereof, and you typed A critique usually does warrant more than the acknowledgement of a critique. A defense, counter, or argument is usually warranted as well, among other things. Acknowledging that a critique has been made isn't the same as acknowledging its validity. So put another way, a critique might not even warrant acknowledgement (let alone more than acknowledgment), if we are talking about acknowledgment of validity--it might not be valid. I have no idea what your question to my question is even asking.

While you're trying to use big words to confuse other people you're contridicting yourself love. Anyone can see what's really going on here.
Be kind. Be subservient. Be precious.
Posted 8/3/17
I'd defend its validity in the work place. When freedom of speech and expression is the objective, P.C. couldn't be more wrong.
Posted 8/3/17

52infinity wrote:

Three things first and foremost.
1. When I said "Crittique" I was qouting your OP.
2.I had honestly forgotten words have a tendency to possess multiple meanings.
3.You answered my question.

Explaining 2-3

2.Words have multiple meanings.
But politically correct isn't a word it's a term. Therefore it only has one singular meaning given to it by the populace.

3.You answered my question.
I asked you if an insult/crittique required anything other than aknowledgement thereof, and you typed A critique usually does warrant more than the acknowledgement of a critique. A defense, counter, or argument is usually warranted as well, among other things. Acknowledging that a critique has been made isn't the same as acknowledging its validity. So put another way, a critique might not even warrant acknowledgement (let alone more than acknowledgment), if we are talking about acknowledgment of validity--it might not be valid. I have no idea what your question to my question is even asking.

While you're trying to use big words to confuse other people you're contridicting yourself love. Anyone can see what's really going on here.
Be kind. Be subservient. Be precious.


Which statements are contradictory?
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Posted 8/4/17

theYchromosome wrote:


bobland wrote:

You give some examples, but it barely covers the scope of the issues people have with political correctness.

When it comes to something like race, how do you draw the line between offensive and inoffensive? People who complain about people being too PC beleive that the line oversteps boundaries and makes almost everything offensive.

Really though, what is ethics? Everyone has a different moral code to them, and you really can't blanket everyone under one brand of ethics. What one may see as inethical, another may see as perfectly fine.

It does feel that nowadays, people get offended too easily.


My point is not to figure out what is or is not politically correct, but rather, "Is political correctness wrong?" or "Is calling something 'politically correct' a valid criticism?" I have no intention of debating whether or not, for instance, it's okay for a white guy to call his white friend 'my nigga.' That's for another time.


You wanna know if is okay to be PC or not? I think some common courtesy is expected of us in a society but does that really mean we can go around policing every little issue we have with people. That is where people start to dislike PC culture, when people go around telling people what they can and cannot do in the world. Like me as a person, I act very different depending on what setting I am in, if I am with my friends we'll be cracking jokes (even some dark jokes) and giving each other hell for the fun of it. If I am in more of a more social situation like in town or school, I change my attitude to fit the mood most of the time, if not then I tend to be quiet and polite. What I want to know is what do you deem too PC, or even if there is something that you can deem too PC, or are you all for it no matter the case. Because it seemed you really only mentioned certain things that most people would agree with, and that makes it seems like you are trying to bait people into agreeing that PC as a whole is a good thing.
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Ima just come out and say There is nothing wrong with being politically correct, its only when you become too afraid to talk about real issues affecting a majority or minorty that being politcally correct can become a bad thing. That is why there is so much stigma with the term. Whenever you involve race, things always get dicey, and as a country as diverse with the US it is always going to have to face this issue. Its just a part of living life. People should by society norms, not be a dick too each other, but if you become too afraid to voice your opinion because one day society deems that your opinion is not correct than that in itself becomes a problem and i can see why people who feel they have suffered under the conditions of politcal pressure feel to coin the terms as a bad thing but that it is also a problem, because it doesnt seek to reach a dialect either, it just causes more conflict. Healthy Balance is Key.
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I've always found that political correctness is the last bastion of the right, when someone is calling them on their racist sexist homophobic bullshit. It is the safe place they run to when a left winger reaches out and punches them hard and their snowflake world view collapses when the reality of their bad behavior is revealed.

But then that is how bullies always work they take umbrage at being called out for their behavior and immediately play the victim.

PC really is over used and those of us on the left really do need to punch back harder against the right wing snowflakes, it is okay to cuss someone out that is being a bigot or sexist or homophobic. If we did more often they would learn more quickly not to pick stupid fights they keep loosing. And if the snowflake is going to whine let them whine about something that is actually true rather then made up in their little hate filled heart.


LMAO.
A bit like how lefties are quick to cry racist or Nazi or some form of phobic/phobia and bigotry, sexist, hate speech , etc.
Left wingers are masters of acting like bullies and yet playing the victim. Throwing tantrums, acting like children, acting violent, etc.

All of the words i used above are overused as fuck. And you're a snow flake.
So funny. I think the left are the ones who are not living in reality and are deluded.

But hey, be left wing, it;s your choice. Enjoy the pathetic western world that you are aiding in creating. Or the collapse of it i should say.



Right see folks this would be taking umbrage and playing the victim. So snowflake trigger much when someone calls you on your childish bullshit? Really you are going to try and play the victim after I point out that is what folks like you are trying to do?

See folks the fact that people such as this don't get that the world is changing and their narrow ass view of it is out of date and backwards, leads them into these problems. So what do they do, they play the victim. Oh my world view is under attack I should be allowed to be an asshole to others because I don't know any better. Bullshit you want to be treated like an adult be one accept those that are different be nice to other be human don't be an asshole.

Really grow up kid learn to respect others I know it is hard and goes against everything you believe but we are all human, if you want to be treated with respect start treating others with respect.
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Right see folks this would be taking umbrage and playing the victim. So snowflake trigger much when someone calls you on your childish bullshit? Really you are going to try and play the victim after I point out that is what folks like you are trying to do?

See folks the fact that people such as this don't get that the world is changing and their narrow ass view of it is out of date and backwards, leads them into these problems. So what do they do, they play the victim. Oh my world view is under attack I should be allowed to be an asshole to others because I don't know any better. Bullshit you want to be treated like an adult be one accept those that are different be nice to other be human don't be an asshole.

Really grow up kid learn to respect others I know it is hard and goes against everything you believe but we are all human, if you want to be treated with respect start treating others with respect.


Iam not really sure where iam playing the victim? I mean i do believe that the mainstream media is very left wing and biased, i believe that white people are being raised to lack pride and have guilt and that the world is submitting to Islam but iam not sure that expressing that or having that opinion is the same as playing the victim?
I guess you could argue that it is a form of it.

Of course the world is changing. Of course change is inevitable. Some change is good, some change is bad. Ok so fashion changes, music changes, technology changes, etc but this dose not mean that all change is inevitable nor should all change be accepted and embraced.
Some change is bad and people just allow it to happen and actually aid it in happening.
So it's ok for Japan to not want to change? it's ok for Muslim nations to not want change (they dont want to be democratic and etc) but for some reason it's a problem or playing the victim for any white people to not want their nation to completely change?
Cant you see the reasoning in this?

Why is having an opinion and not wanting the world i live in, my country and culture to rapidly and maybe eventually completely change me being an asshole??
Why is that considered racist?
Why is me fearing for my nieces and nephews futures me being a victim or racist or an ass?

Iam 36 years old by the way mate. And now here i go again having to justify myself to a lefty. I have Asian freinds, i like anime, i like black music, etc. But i guess iam racist anyways lol.

Why dont you grow up old man? if you're white why dont you respect yourself and your own kind? Stop hating your own. Stop being submissive.
If you're not white well iam sure you feel very proud of your race and iam sure if you lived in a non white country that you wouldn't want your country to be full of whites.


Anyway my posts were more about the ridiculous over political correctness. It goes deep. Raising whites to be guilty and ashamed, double standards, hypocrisy, the truth is considered hate speech, everything is offensive, people cant accept reality and live in deluded safe space bubbles, raising kids in bubble wrap not experiencing failure or having to earn a passing grade or a legit trophy, acting as if gays are far more common than they actually are, acting as if trans are normal and almost trendy?, 3rd wave feminism gone mad and is a massive attack against males, etc.

Basically do gooders. Through your eyes iam a moron. Through my eyes you're.

White people are aiding and speeding up their own destruction. Yes time changes, change has come and change is coming. It dose not mean that we should just lay down and submit.

But iam even pissed off at just the little things, everything is racist, offensive somehow, white washed, too many male characters, not enough gays (even though they are way over promoted now), etc.

I dont hate gays, i sure as hell dont hate non whites but there actually IS an attack against heterosexual white males going on. Maybe i am a victim!? lol

I am against the Islamization of the world though. If that makes me an asshole or a victim then yep, i guess i am both.

I mean we go to their countries and we show them respect, we respect their customs and laws. The come to yours and we bend over backwards for them and they show our customs and laws NO respect.
It's not rocket science to see this.

And yeah America bombing them is not showing them respect i know. But yes, if you cannot see what is happening then you are blind as hell. But i guess through your eyes my fear is all irrational? What do they call it again? of thats right, Islamaphobia!

EDIT: Fixed typo's


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