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It's been a few weeks since the policies were enforced and I think everyone knows my thoughts about the policy changes. From everything that came from this, in my opinion, there has not been a one good thing that has came out of this.

There's actually less discussion on some topics while there are times when anticipation threads are bumped because of the confusion specially for users not familiar with the changes. Furthermore, news posted in those threads are considered irrelevant since they won't be discussed once the show airs. Discussion implies anything that ranges from the episodes, news, anticipation, etc. Either way, this has been counterproductive.

I started this topic for some constructive feedback on this because I feel like there really has not been anything good that has came from the policy changes. At the same time, I'm proposing some ideas. As someone who has devoted an enormous amount of my time to this site over these past few years, I feel the need to address this again.



Here are a list of ideas I propose:

1) For anticipation threads, mods can simply just remove anything non-news related to keep the thread cleaner. One word responses can be deleted by the time the show begins to air. This keeps a topic clean so that relevant news show up.

However, in-depth discussions can be kept as long as it doesn't go to off-topic or enter major spoiler territory. (I'm open for feedback for this)

2) The OP can easily edit their post to permalink the first post about the episode when it's aired. This will allow other users to find them easily.

3) Any topics that's not directly related to the show but has some relations does not need to be locked.
Example: if someone made a topic about the world building of Dimension W, a separate topic can exist for it

4) Spoiler content must be tagged properly with wording and a warning for future related material that the premise, character descriptions, etc has not revealed prior to airing.

5) Add a sub-boards for specific series. This will probably be experimental until we see the results if programmers decides to implement it.

6) Keep the series' topic/titles as what they are, that is...without the word "anticipation" in them. This was originally how it was from 2011-2014 for a long period of time so changing this was also unnecessary. If old topics gets bumped (old as in many months or a year) with a news update, they can report it to the mod and the old topic would be locked. As every topic has a date when the post is made, it is very simple to see and enforce.

Any more suggestions, feedback, constructive criticism is welcome.

Again, I really feel like the changes to the policies has not bought anything good or beneficial effects after they were enforced.

Edit: added two more suggestions.
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To be fair. The the anime section is littered with too many threads simply because it is related to anime. While I appreciate the ideas users come up with, most likely, their ideas have been posted already.

I would much rather see an overhaul with the anime section to add more sub-sections. Also, the bleach and shugo chara tabs sitting at the top just irk the hell out of me.

Currently, moderator powers have the ability to move threads between different sections/areas around crunchyroll. I rather the site have a "currently airing" section where newly aired anime can reside. This facilitates users, easily guiding them, to the most relevant topics. Open discussions can be explored.

Subsequent theory crafting can be more broad and open to the general anime section (such as the anime section now).

I should add that an anticipation sub-section will also be in place, such that when the anime airs it is moved to the discussion sub-section (via goderator intervention). Relevant news will always be retained in the SINGLE thread. After an anime has finished , with goderator powers, the thread is moved to the general anime section.



There are currently two sub tabs up top, just renamed them to something useful. It is literally two lines of code.

bumpady bump bump bump. Pretty important topic.
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To be fair. The the anime section is littered with too many threads simply because it is related to anime. While I appreciate the ideas users come up with, most likely, their ideas have been posted already.

I would much rather see an overhaul with the anime section to add more sub-sections. Also, the bleach and shugo chara tabs sitting at the top just irk the hell out of me.

Currently, moderator powers have the ability to move threads between different sections/areas around crunchyroll. I rather the site have a "currently airing" section where newly aired anime can reside. This facilitates users, easily guiding them, to the most relevant topics. Open discussions can be explored.

Subsequent theory crafting can be more broad and open to the general anime section (such as the anime section now).

I should add that an anticipation sub-section will also be in place, such that when the anime airs it is moved to the discussion sub-section (via goderator intervention). Relevant news will always be retained in the SINGLE thread.


This is actually a pretty good idea if CR plans to add a different section and advertise it enough to become popular. The sub-boards have became irrelevant for except the most popular shows.

Reddit has sub-boards for that purpose and a program/auto-bot that they use for weekly discussions and polls that has been pretty effective. Sadly from what I've heard, there hasn't been any plans to change/add it yet.
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AnimeKami wrote:

To be fair. The the anime section is littered with too many threads simply because it is related to anime. While I appreciate the ideas users come up with, most likely, their ideas have been posted already.

I would much rather see an overhaul with the anime section to add more sub-sections. Also, the bleach and shugo chara tabs sitting at the top just irk the hell out of me.

Currently, moderator powers have the ability to move threads between different sections/areas around crunchyroll. I rather the site have a "currently airing" section where newly aired anime can reside. This facilitates users, easily guiding them, to the most relevant topics. Open discussions can be explored.

Subsequent theory crafting can be more broad and open to the general anime section (such as the anime section now).

I should add that an anticipation sub-section will also be in place, such that when the anime airs it is moved to the discussion sub-section (via goderator intervention). Relevant news will always be retained in the SINGLE thread. After an anime has finished , with goderator powers, the thread is moved to the general anime section.



There are currently two sub tabs up top, just renamed them to something useful. It is literally two lines of code.

bumpady bump bump bump. Pretty important topic.


We asked for exactly that in the last thread on this topic and lorreen basically said that there wasn't much chance that would happen any time soon.
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AnimeKami wrote:

To be fair. The the anime section is littered with too many threads simply because it is related to anime. While I appreciate the ideas users come up with, most likely, their ideas have been posted already.

I would much rather see an overhaul with the anime section to add more sub-sections. Also, the bleach and shugo chara tabs sitting at the top just irk the hell out of me.

Currently, moderator powers have the ability to move threads between different sections/areas around crunchyroll. I rather the site have a "currently airing" section where newly aired anime can reside. This facilitates users, easily guiding them, to the most relevant topics. Open discussions can be explored.

Subsequent theory crafting can be more broad and open to the general anime section (such as the anime section now).

I should add that an anticipation sub-section will also be in place, such that when the anime airs it is moved to the discussion sub-section (via goderator intervention). Relevant news will always be retained in the SINGLE thread. After an anime has finished , with goderator powers, the thread is moved to the general anime section.



There are currently two sub tabs up top, just renamed them to something useful. It is literally two lines of code.

bumpady bump bump bump. Pretty important topic.


We asked for exactly that in the last thread on this topic and lorreen basically said that there wasn't much chance that would happen any time soon.


I am on my phone so someone delete the loooooong quote. Excuse any typos.

To flaunt the ethos. As someone who has seen more changes to th forums than that of stark. I can say that over the years there have not been many dramatic changes to the forums. Aside the occasional change in the sticky icon and closing of the sticky threads. The forums remained similar to what you see today.

While certain moderators actively close threads which have been inactive for 6 months or the seasonal cleaning, this course of action is not frequent enough.

As of this post there are 85 pages of anime threads in this section, with the oldest post being from January 15 of 2015. The thread has been inactive for a whole year. While this post may seem off tangent, I would like to point out that the core of the problem stems from the lack of differentiation within the anime section.

Just FYI in 2014 the max pages for threads was in the 40s.

So, having two different type of threads for new anime: anticipation and discussion only adds to the amount of *I want to use bad language* shit in the section and will only continue to increase.

I believe that a lack of discussion and four usage, currently, is too intimidating to new users. Many discussions are held by individuals who are regular posters. Some stay in their own niche thread, looking at you AMP, and some users who make threads and post regular is what keeps current discussions ongoing.

What this entails is that new users will most likely not browse past the first few pages and all they see are what is currently being bumped (aka AK being banned for trying to bring back old threads for more variety).

If there is a need for active, new life four activity. I believe that the forums need a revamp for a more user gui such that more individuals can add more thought to the discussion.

As of now aside the tournament threads and the big threads it is the same ol' same ol'.

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Hmm, sounds nice. I mean, you're finding way to improve the new methods instead of trying to get rid of them.

I was going to mention the spoiler thing, but you beat me to it.
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Posted 2/25/16 , edited 2/25/16

AnimeKami wrote:

So, having two different type of threads for new anime: anticipation and discussion only adds to the amount of *I want to use bad language* shit in the section and will only continue to increase.

I believe that a lack of discussion and four usage, currently, is too intimidating to new users. Many discussions are held by individuals who are regular posters. Some stay in their own niche thread, looking at you AMP, and some users who make threads and post regular is what keeps current discussions ongoing.


Pretty much this.

The context of the anticipation and discussion threads are similar for the first few pages anyways. Users still post the "will watch" and "can't wait!" while the amount of threads about the same anime increases, hogging up the anime series' section. This is already one of the negatives of the new policies. It is completely counterproductive.

The new policies and its results have not benefited anything from these past few weeks. Threads aren't getting any more productive discussions when compared o before and sometimes, anticipations are bumped because some users aren't familiar with how the new policies work.

If one of the goals was the foster better discussion, clearly it hasn't worked because there hasn't been an improvement there.

Anyways, more of my thoughts. This isn't a response to AK but from what I've observed about the results of the policies. It's been a few weeks so I think it's fair enough.

From the original thread:

However, that set a precedent for more routinely renaming Anticipation threads to Discussion threads and shutting down new "discussion" threads in favor of old "anticipation" threads. Over time the number of anticipation threads has grown dramatically, and the threads are often being created many months in advance of a show's air date. It's great that we have such great coverage of so many shows in our forums, but there is a downside too. This has resulted in a situation where by the time a show does air, there is already an anticipation thread and that anticipation thread is often either (1) only active on a technicality through occasional updates by a single person and has little ongoing dialog, OR (2) very active but focused more on a show's existing franchise or source material, often resulting in spoilers right from the start, or a completely different discussion that is not very friendly for those primarily interested in talking about the show as it airs.

We hope that by keeping the focus of Anticipation threads on anticipation, and encouraging new threads for discussion while a show airs (and after) it will result in a better overall balance of long-running older threads, and "fresh" new show discussion threads.


From what I've observed, the balance hasn't changed at all. People still post similar responses, there's still spoilers (this is something that is impossible to avoid except through manual patrolling the boards and responding to reports/user feedback), and the amount of discussions has actually decreased in certain topics.

I'll address this again:

There's not one good thing that has came from these policies. If there is one or something I overlooked, feel free to list them.
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I am on my phone so someone delete the loooooong quote. Excuse any typos.

To flaunt the ethos. As someone who has seen more changes to th forums than that of stark. I can say that over the years there have not been many dramatic changes to the forums. Aside the occasional change in the sticky icon and closing of the sticky threads. The forums remained similar to what you see today.

While certain moderators actively close threads which have been inactive for 6 months or the seasonal cleaning, this course of action is not frequent enough.

As of this post there are 85 pages of anime threads in this section, with the oldest post being from January 15 of 2015. The thread has been inactive for a whole year. While this post may seem off tangent, I would like to point out that the core of the problem stems from the lack of differentiation within the anime section.

Just FYI in 2014 the max pages for threads was in the 40s.

So, having two different type of threads for new anime: anticipation and discussion only adds to the amount of *I want to use bad language* shit in the section and will only continue to increase.

I believe that a lack of discussion and four usage, currently, is too intimidating to new users. Many discussions are held by individuals who are regular posters. Some stay in their own niche thread, looking at you AMP, and some users who make threads and post regular is what keeps current discussions ongoing.

What this entails is that new users will most likely not browse past the first few pages and all they see are what is currently being bumped (aka AK being banned for trying to bring back old threads for more variety).

If there is a need for active, new life four activity. I believe that the forums need a revamp for a more user gui such that more individuals can add more thought to the discussion.

As of now aside the tournament threads and the big threads it is the same ol' same ol'.



I agree with you 100%, AK. What I'm saying is that I and other people suggested the same thing the last time this topic came up and lorreen's response was that if it required any programming changes in the forums (even just changing the tab names) at all we could expect that not to happen. Presumably because nobody who can touch the forum programming actually cares.

It seems inevitable that creating twice as many threads for the same number of series (Anticipation AND Discussion threads) will create more clutter and confusion but I figure that the mods are probably just going to have to figure that out by experience.
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Yeah, the problem about the sub boards is related to programming. That's something forum mods have no control over so it's understandable. However, the discussion thread policies is different and they have control over that.

There's now twice as many as threads about the SAME series here that creates confusion, cluttering, etc.

Previously, it was easy to make an anticipation topic into a discussion thread if it was active for a certain period of time. And if the OP cares enough, they would post relevant news about the series because they care about the show. When the series starts, people came to discuss it. If the problem was about people discussing a show before it aired, then one of my suggestions is to remove some of the more spammy one word posts when the show airs. (one of the suggestions listed in this thread) It's simple, effective, and I think the original point of the policy changes was to foster more relevant discussions, no?

Now what we've got is twice as many discussion for the same series while there's not much change to the actual content or quality of the discussions themselves. Furthermore, news that people post are rendered irrelevant and their efforts wasted down the drain. Problems breeds problems and the new policies are what's been doing that. I'd like for some of these suggestions to be considered as the anime series' board imo is considered one of the most discussed parts of this site.

Also, one thing I'd like to add is why are we adding "anticipation" to the thread topics these days? Previously from what I remember, it was just the title about the series themselves. This is the first time I've asked this. Yeah, a series hasn't aired yet so it's considered anticipation but that will make it even more confusing. We should just go back to the way it was before and have the topic series' about what it is. If a thread is too inactive for a period of time, it can be locked by judgement. That's not something I have a problem with and is more productive as it keeps a new topic fresh.

There hasn't been a clear answer to that. Maybe another suggestion is to remove the "anticipation" part on a thread's title and just be what it is: about the actual series. I gave these new policies a chance and the results aren't satisfactory.
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1 A big issue is the excessive reposting of point / counterpoints which is just an argument going back and forth. And they are nasty !

Hey I dont mind but when it word for word literally it just being selfish / obnoxius.Hey it's anime to talk about not to be nasty to each other get real.



2 As far as less discussion on the show threads thats on the viewers . They are there no matter what some shows get more traffic.

Myself when I am watching 44 shows it's gets kind of hard to comment on all

BTW whether you like the show has a bearing on whether you like to post Lately I wait awhile and let thoughts get sunk in . I dont need to be first. A lot of Bloggers / reviwers waitt awhile or even a dasy or so.

Some people rather post on the Blog sites because the review is better and the readers have a more refined view .
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There is the stickied duscussion index thread. I am not sure how many people use it. If there are only so little tools available then it would be prudent to understand where moderators and administrators stand on the forums.

As far as I can dig up from the darkest side is that lorreen has talked to bjaker.

Now where the stance is somewhat ambiguous whether there wants to be forum improvement. I believe there is a want and know there is a need. However, current implementations, from my observations, no increase nor have I seen a decrease in usage of the forums regarding the anticipation/discussion. There just seems to be more threads.
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Opinion.

I rather not see anticipation nor discussion in the title. Since the thread is filed under " anime discussion" we know it is a discussion when we go to this part of the forum.

Suggestion.

A procedure which establishes how threads are named and all moderators should be aware of.

New anime are to be named by its title.

The use of the description is for the following:

Anticipation

Anticipation *known air date*

Currently airing and ongoing discussions

Finished - discussions are welcome, but may close due to inactivity.
*the closure is up for grasp 1 2 3 months and a new thread can be made if people feel the need to discuss the anime*

How the description is changed is by reporting the opening post and telling the informed moderator of the status.

This removes forum clutter. Gets bumped on appropriate days so users can see the relavance. Gets closed appropriately so if a user necros an older thread he or she may not get a response and makes decision to ask a moderator if the thread can be closed and a new one made.
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Posted 2/25/16 , edited 2/25/16

AnimeKami wrote:

Now where the stance is somewhat ambiguous whether there wants to be forum improvement. I believe there is a want and know there is a need. However, current implementations, from my observations, no increase nor have I seen a decrease in usage of the forums regarding the anticipation/discussion. There just seems to be more threads.


Indeed, there's definitely more threads about the same series, which leads to the original problem. The new policies generate that and that's something I find counterproductive. New users (even some active regulars) confuse them despite the policies being made clear so it's obviously something that's not working well. From an experimental point of view, I see more as a decease. New users aren't sure where to post while regulars do. If we aim for quality, there's not much change to that either. Spoilers still exist, there's still the occasional "can't wait to see this!". But here is the change: news posts aren't there anymore. They are irrelevant now and even if the OP has them in the first post, they aren't being discussed. Believe it or not, many people do judge a show based on the staff, cast, preview, premise, etc. Experienced regulars or anime viewers will point them out to generate more interest. The new policies aren't helping with that.


AnimeKami wrote:

Opinion.

I rather not see anticipation nor discussion in the title. Since the thread is filed under " anime discussion" we know it is a discussion when we go to this part of the forum.

Suggestion.

A procedure which establishes how threads are named and all moderators should be aware of.

New anime are to be named by its title.

The use of the description is for the following:

Anticipation

Anticipation *known air date*

Currently airing and ongoing discussions

Finished - discussions are welcome, but may close due to inactivity.
*the closure is up for grasp 1 2 3 months and a new thread can be made if people feel the need to discuss the anime*

How the description is changed is by reporting the opening post and telling the informed moderator of the status.

This removes forum clutter. Gets bumped on appropriate days so users can see the relavance. Gets closed appropriately so if a user necros an older thread he or she may not get a response and makes decision to ask a moderator if the thread can be closed and a new one made.


Good idea in general to remove the clutter except for the closing part of 1-3 months. For newer series that just finished airing, perhaps a longer gap could work. 3 months is a bit short imo since the show is still considered somewhat fresh. I completely agree about this though:

New anime are to be named by its title.

In fact, this is how it was originally supposed to be like. It was like that from...2011-2014. (more than 3 years!) It was just last year before everything turned into "anticipation". I have good memory about this and I know for a fact that almost no thread made before had the OP add "anticipation" to them. Mods did not change them either to add "anticipation".

A list from the top of my head includes: Charlotte, Rokka no Yuusha, Overlord, Monster Musume, GATE: JSDF, The Perfect Insider (this is a very good example because the thread still remains as it's named without the anticipation/discussion as part of the title)

Regarding that, I didn't have a big problem with this at first and never did until now as I see that it has a connecting problem with the new policies. (and of course, that's another issue that has evolved with the changes.)
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AnimeKami wrote:

To be fair. The the anime section is littered with too many threads simply because it is related to anime. While I appreciate the ideas users come up with, most likely, their ideas have been posted already.

I would much rather see an overhaul with the anime section to add more sub-sections. Also, the bleach and shugo chara tabs sitting at the top just irk the hell out of me.

Currently, moderator powers have the ability to move threads between different sections/areas around crunchyroll. I rather the site have a "currently airing" section where newly aired anime can reside. This facilitates users, easily guiding them, to the most relevant topics. Open discussions can be explored.

Subsequent theory crafting can be more broad and open to the general anime section (such as the anime section now).

I should add that an anticipation sub-section will also be in place, such that when the anime airs it is moved to the discussion sub-section (via goderator intervention). Relevant news will always be retained in the SINGLE thread. After an anime has finished , with goderator powers, the thread is moved to the general anime section.



There are currently two sub tabs up top, just renamed them to something useful. It is literally two lines of code.

bumpady bump bump bump. Pretty important topic.


I really like this. Just throwing in my two cents.
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AnimeKami wrote:

There are currently two sub tabs up top, just renamed them to something useful. It is literally two lines of code.

bumpady bump bump bump. Pretty important topic.

We asked for exactly that in the last thread on this topic and lorreen basically said that there wasn't much chance that would happen any time soon.

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Yeah, the problem about the sub boards is related to programming. That's something forum mods have no control over so it's understandable. However, the discussion thread policies is different and they have control over that.

Asking if we could get sub forums to replace the anime recs/identification threads got the same response.

I'd still like subforums for all of the above however.


But to chime in for a second isn't everyone in the universe overcomplicating this?

A) Make a thread.
B) Slap a name on it.
C) Talk goes there.
D) Report any misconduct for the on-call mod, just like any other thread ever.

... profit?

I haven't been following this topic closely but the whole situation just baffles the hell out of me. This minimizes the work of all parties and maximizes the utility of each thread while keeping the thread clean is the same regardless.

I don't see any need for any special rules or responsibilities for anyone with any of this, mods and posters alike.
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