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Discussion Thread Policies: Ideas and Changes?
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Posted 2/25/16 , edited 2/25/16

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I'd still like subforums for all of the above however.


But to chime in for a second isn't everyone in the universe overcomplicating this?

A) Make a thread.
B) Slap a name on it.
C) Talk goes there.
D) Report any misconduct for the on-call mod, just like any other thread ever.

... profit?

I haven't been following this topic closely but the whole situation just baffles the hell out of me. This minimizes the work of all parties and maximizes the utility of each thread while keeping the thread clean is the same regardless.


That's pretty much how it worked around here before until last year when threads got renamed into anticipation for every new title and then later in the year, the new policies came that made this even more over complicated. As someone addressed before in the previous topic, the non-issue now turned into an issue. I never did like the way threads were renamed into anticipation either but it wasn't a big deal until these new policies got enforced. Originally, every series' thread just had its own title for what it was - very straightforward, less confusing, and easy to deal with for both new users and regulars.

I did give a chance to these new policies but there has not been anything good that came from this. Just more complication. I really just have not seen one good thing that has came from the new policies.

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Just going to mention that some of the assertions which have been made here about how things previously worked are inaccurate. I don't have time to address them specifically right now, but hopefully on the weekend I can clear some of that up.
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Posted 2/25/16 , edited 2/25/16

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Just going to mention that some of the assertions which have been made here about how things previously worked are inaccurate. I don't have time to address them specifically right now, but hopefully on the weekend I can clear some of that up.


I would like to see them.

And also, please give your thought about the suggestions listed in this thread. (specifically if you can address each one)
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To conserve space, I'm just going to summarize a few of the assertions from a couple of the folks who posted here, and provide my (sometimes lengthy) response in spoilers:

1) [stark] That there's less discussion, and threads aren't any more productive than before.


2) [stark] That "Anticipation" threads were bumped due to confusion


3) [stark] That threads only started being named "Anticipation" last year.


4) [stark] That the new policy renders news that is often provided in Anticipation threads, irrelevant


5) [AK, and stark] A preference for not naming threads either "Anticipation" or "Discussion"


6) [AK] That there is currently a practice of closing threads that are inactive for 6 months.


And finally:

Insomnist wrote:
But to chime in for a second isn't everyone in the universe overcomplicating this?

A) Make a thread.
B) Slap a name on it.
C) Talk goes there.
D) Report any misconduct for the on-call mod, just like any other thread ever.

... profit?

I haven't been following this topic closely but the whole situation just baffles the hell out of me. This minimizes the work of all parties and maximizes the utility of each thread while keeping the thread clean is the same regardless.

I don't see any need for any special rules or responsibilities for anyone with any of this, mods and posters alike.


This is pretty much what we've already got.

A) Make a thread.
B) Slap a name on it. (As with any other thread in any other CR forum, moderators may modify the title for clarity)
C) Talk goes there.
D) Report any misconduct for the on-call mod, just like any other thread ever."

What seems to be causing discomfort for stark is that he doesn't want to allow new and separate threads that deal with the show after it's started. We did try the "one big thread to hold it all" approach for a while, but since then, in all the CR forums overall, we have changed our approach to what is considered a duplicate. In the case of threads about new season shows, this means we don't consider a thread about the show while it's ongoing to be the a duplicate of a thread created to share news and feelings about the show in advance. I do understand that having more threads overall in the Anime forum can make things more difficult to find, but the Show Discussion Index does a pretty good job of making it easier for this kind of thread, as does the normal process of older threads falling back farther in the forum pages.

That's pretty much all I have to say about it, so I'm not going to engage in any more back and forth about it. There are no plans to change the policy at this time.


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lorreen wrote:

We did try the "one big thread to hold it all" approach for a while, but since then, in all the CR forums overall, we have changed our approach to what is considered a duplicate.

That's what I don't get. But you've probably explained it in triplicate to those who've asked already and I also don't care much, so you don't have to again. If I'd paid more attention I'd know where the changes came from, I just don't get it.
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Posted 3/5/16 , edited 3/6/16
I read the reply and I don't get it either. There's nothing good that came from this. And you're wrong about the statistics by comparison. The highest new post count for this new season (not including carry over from Summer or Fall or continuous titles) is ERASED. Compared to One Punch Man, they are roughly the same at this rate. The second one is Grimgar and Ash. But guess what, if these policies aren't enforced, we could get even better discussions.



Also, the response about anticipation is incorrect yet again. Me, Kurodenki, and others have never added "anticipation" by ourselves to thread titles until mods started changing them this year. No, not even last year because Charlotte (one of the last topics in 2014 stood out with the title of what it is before lorreen or someone decided to add the word 'anticipation' on it later in 2015.)

These policies are an ill attempt at making this site more complicated and counterproductive as before. Everyone adapted with how things worked and no one complained. There were occasionally a few issues on occasions but that got resolved pretty quickly last year as well. Well guess what, those issues are going to start rising pretty damn fast with these new policies.

The stats are NOT correct. Where are you getting these info from? The post count and quality of this season compared to last season are not the same at all. Provide proof and examples. Of course the number of threads are going to be higher since we literally have two topics about the same show. (extremely counterproductive btw) But on average of the post count for each specific series, it is not. The Little Busters Refrain topic couldn't of been more wrong on your example. The show never got the announcement before it was made. By this logic, anyone can make an anticipation topic of any franchise or title before a news ever comes out. But in essence, no one added "anticipation" by themselves for news that came out. That is, until last year and yes, I refer to 2015 and not before because that's when it specifically happened.

I just want to throw in a very recent example:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-934177/she-and-her-cat-anticipation

If someone made a discussion topic for this, would that of made this site look better? No it wouldn't. Two of the same topic about about the same show. Why? Nothing good comes from this. Not a thing. This is how it always worked and everyone adapted with this as there was nothing wrong with it. Prior to 2015, there was "anticipation" in the title until a mod changed it.

It should of been like in year 2012. No one complained. Everything was simple. It was a non-issue until it is now an issue. Not a damn good thing came from these policies and yet, they are still enforced. This is literally fixing something that wasn't broken. From recent months of anticipation topics, I've actually got thanks (both on forums and pm) for the many important news posted.



You didn't answer my questions in one of the previous posts. What do you think of some of the suggestions? That was the original purpose of this thread.

I find these policies to be the worst idea to ever come for CR and by mathematical standards, it's not just a perspective but also logical. This is no longer the CR anime series forums I remember compared to the last few years. These policies bought nothing good. Nothing.
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I am still at a conference.

I would like more than one moderator to chime in. I believe that this is an important matter for forum longevity and well being.

I am truly appreciative of lorreen being responsible for attempting communication and would like to see similar professionalism from all moderators and most defiantly administrators.

The community is providing feedback on what we (the community) would like to see implemented. There is no substitute on actual experience for a product than consumer usage.

Open discussion is key for success. I and many(?) others have provided feedback and would like to see a response other than a lack of motivation to implement.

Again, thank you lorreen, other moderators need to step up their game. I have not seen anyone else do stuff than behind the shadows. It is not like you cannot post on the forums.

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Also.

Why the fuck is the naruto sub tag back on the top of the page?
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Posted 3/6/16

lorreen wrote:

6) [AK] That there is currently a practice of closing threads that are inactive for 6 months.


And this is exactly what I've been trying to get to the point of earlier on. A thread will depend on activity as well.

The addition of an added discussion topic is redundant. Some others and I have agreed that having two topics about the same series makes the problem worse in terms of cleaning up. From what I recall from a earlier post this year (not related to the policies), CR has been more lax recently for forum discussion?

From this standpoint on, I'm finding that to be the opposite. It's not lax with these policies.
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Also.

Why the fuck is the naruto sub tag back on the top of the page?


I have no idea. That one seems to come and go and no one has answered why (I've asked our mod handler to ask about it, and about the possibility of getting rid of those tags altogether, but I think she's super-busy and it wasn't a high priority to find out).
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Please answer my questions regarding the suggestions in this thread.

I've kindly asked this several times now. Just your thought/opinions on them, please.


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I would like more than one moderator to chime in. I believe that this is an important matter for forum longevity and well being.


I agree. This is an important part of the site. The anime discussion series forums have been in recent years one of the most debatable, constructive, and fun part of CR.
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lorreen wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

Also.

Why the fuck is the naruto sub tag back on the top of the page?


I have no idea. That one seems to come and go and no one has answered why (I've asked our mod handler to ask about it, and about the possibility of getting rid of those tags altogether, but I think she's super-busy and it wasn't a high priority to find out).


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I can pull some strings...
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Posted 3/6/16 , edited 3/6/16
I just noticed something.

Rather than "anticipation", lorreen is changing the titles to "announced" for titles. So exactly what's going to happen when more news comes out then? Why can't we just leave the title as it is as several people including myself have suggested?

Just why are we making this so complicated?

This was suggested on page 1:


A) Make a thread.
B) Slap a name on it.
C) Talk goes there.
D) Report any misconduct for the on-call mod, just like any other thread ever.


So simple really. It's also been like that for years.
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