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There is the stickied duscussion index thread. I am not sure how many people use it. If there are only so little tools available then it would be prudent to understand where moderators and administrators stand on the forums.




I find it useful though. I'm not convinced the search function works 100% of the time, either that or it throws hundreds of hits, and there's always the issue of whether the thread title is using the Japanese Romanji or the English translation

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lorreen wrote:

To conserve space, I'm just going to summarize a few of the assertions from a couple of the folks who posted here, and provide my (sometimes lengthy) response in spoilers:

1) [stark] That there's less discussion, and threads aren't any more productive than before.




I dont think where / how the Show's episodes and or other thoughts are listed effect the posts

Tthere is something else going on with less discusion

1 For me a big recent on going problem is the nasty / back and forth qoutes if somebody disagrees with somebody ( it takes one or 2 pages sometimes on one point ) . I have been told by a few people that the Tone / attitude of the posts have gotten way out of hand, That to me is more of a factor than where you post

2 Keeping on the same thought I notoced a lot of Blog Sites The Posts / replies / thoughts are way down too especially for winter . So its across the board not just on Crunchyroll

3 There seems to be more interest in Contests than show Discussions !

4 A suggestion / link the episode to the show discusion seperate from the episode comments
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lorreen wrote:

We did try the "one big thread to hold it all" approach for a while, but since then, in all the CR forums overall, we have changed our approach to what is considered a duplicate.

That's what I don't get. But you've probably explained it in triplicate to those who've asked already and I also don't care much, so you don't have to again. If I'd paid more attention I'd know where the changes came from, I just don't get it.


To put it simply. Before, when a show started airing, the thread title was updated from "Anticipation" to "Anticipation & Discussion". Because for some of the popular shows, these threads could be 10-20 pages before the show had even started, the mods took the decision to change the policy, to create a separate thread for discussions about a show once it had started. If a duplicate occurred, they also didn't want to get into a "Mine was there first/but mine's got most posts argument"

So it's a small change. But since the person who creates most of the Anticipation threads in the first place is Stark, the split means that someone else might create the Discussion thread before Stark has the opportunity. In his defence, he does spend a lot of time scouring the internet for information, and does update the thread to a high standard. But I really feel for Loreen on this, as she's had to type out War and Peace on numerous occasions now.

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Posted 3/6/16

lorreen wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

Is it starry?


Nope. But feel free to post in Suggestions/Feedback, or ask about those tabs by contacting customer support directly using the /contact form.


In your professional opinion.

How often do you think suggestions/feedback works? With respect to posting it in that section.
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Posted 3/6/16 , edited 3/6/16

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AnimeKami wrote:

There is the stickied duscussion index thread. I am not sure how many people use it. If there are only so little tools available then it would be prudent to understand where moderators and administrators stand on the forums.




I find it useful though. I'm not convinced the search function works 100% of the time, either that or it throws hundreds of hits, and there's always the issue of whether the thread title is using the Japanese Romanji or the English translation



I have a flight in 2 hours and on a phone.

My main fox's is to have a system in place that allows us to easily find what he or she is looking for. While there are a lot of hatred, from me, on the search bar that is not the focus as of right now.

I see updates to the index thread and to be frank. I do not use it... I know it is helpful, but I am an exception. I will place myself as an early user and say the forum structure is not well organized and the new policies can help in navigating the forums much easier if a set standard is adopted.

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Posted 3/6/16 , edited 3/6/16

AnimeKami wrote:
In your professional opinion.

How often do you think suggestions/feedback works? With respect to posting it in that section.


I honestly don't have a very good idea. There is a lot that goes on behind the curtain that mods are not privy to. I know that eventually some feedback does result in changes; there's other stuff that I have no idea why it continues or why we don't get an explanation about. (My pet peeve--the asinine wildcard-based word filter on the livestream chat that is excessively restrictive. None of the mods like this and we have asked repeatedly why it's still there and begged to have it removed, but have not received an answer.)
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lorreen wrote:
We did try the "one big thread to hold it all" approach for a while, but since then, in all the CR forums overall, we have changed our approach to what is considered a duplicate.

That's what I don't get. But you've probably explained it in triplicate to those who've asked already and I also don't care much, so you don't have to again. If I'd paid more attention I'd know where the changes came from, I just don't get it.


There was concern on the part of staff and mods, apparently substantiated by user complaints, that too many new threads were being closed and the atmosphere in general was one that discouraged creation of new threads. We took several measures over time to reduce that. It included things like being less restrictive about what might previously have been seen as duplicates and more often closing threads without recent activity in favor of a similar new thread, and creating forum areas that were especially okay for personal threads, and advice and recommendations requests.

Bringing the show anticipation/discussion thread more in line with this came later in the process because it had become pretty well established (in an unintended slippery slope kind of way). Moderators for a long time felt something like it was necessary, especially since so many show-specific threads were being created long before a show's expected air date (average is now 6 months, with a few started a year or more earlier), and therefore became really distinct from threads others would sometimes try to start intending to focus on first impressions of the show after watching, and week-by-week discussion.


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... And you're wrong about the statistics by comparison. The highest new post count for this new season (not including carry over from Summer or Fall or continuous titles) is ERASED. Compared to One Punch Man, they are roughly the same at this rate. The second one is Grimgar and Ash. But guess what, if these policies aren't enforced, we could get even better discussions.


I don't understand what point you're making. As you stated, both One Punch Man last season, and Erased, this season, have had very high thread activity, as does Grimgar and Ash. In fact Erased activity outside of "anticipation" is higher than it was was for OPM. Your belief that discussion would be better if we went back to how things were when OPM aired and earlier is nothing more than speculation on your part.


The stats are NOT correct. Where are you getting these info from?


I counted things and did some basic math. As mentioned, it's not entirely comprehensive; I just wanted to get a sense of whether or not there really had been some kind of nosedive in activity--for simplicity I counted only the new season shows, and did not count second or third seasons of shows if they didn't have their own thread but were contained in a thread covering multiple seasons.


The post count and quality of this season compared to last season are not the same at all.


Quality is subjective. I'm not going to wrestle with you about that, or use even more of my time coming up with rubrics of "quality" and analyziing a bunch of threads to see where they fall.

Here's the summary I came up with after counting and adding and averaging:




Provide proof and examples. Of course the number of threads are going to be higher since we literally have two topics about the same show.


I did not say the number of threads was higher. I said "the number of shows with a thread is higher than last Winter."


You didn't answer my questions in one of the previous posts. What do you think of some of the suggestions?

I am not obligated to answer these questions or give feedback on your suggestions. If I have not responded specifically to something you wanted me to, then it is because I felt I had nothing I wanted to share regarding it, or felt like my response would lead to arguments I don't wish to participate in.


I just noticed something.

Rather than "anticipation", lorreen is changing the titles to "announced" for titles. So exactly what's going to happen when more news comes out then? Why can't we just leave the title as it is as several people including myself have suggested?


It's for clarity. Your post states "Spin-off anime adaptation of DanMachi announced." The title now reflects the content of that post more clearly.


Just why are we making this so complicated?

This was suggested on page 1:


A) Make a thread.
B) Slap a name on it.
C) Talk goes there.
D) Report any misconduct for the on-call mod, just like any other thread ever.


Did you not see my answer to that post? I believe this is how things work. However, there are occasions when a mod will feel the content can be better described with an alteration to the title, and in those cases we often do make small changes. That doesn't just happen in the Anime forum with show-related threads.

This really is my last response to you in this thread. If you want to make suggestions to CR, then feel free to do so in the Suggestions / Feedback forum, or leave feedback via the /contact form.

I'm leaving the thread open for now in case others do want to join the discussion, but if it fails to be a discussion and starts to consist primarily of your posts repeating the same complaints I will close it.
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Eh, if we are talking about activity on the forum, part of it might have to do with the split between free users and premium users.


Stumbling across (what are to free users) spoilers from an episode they haven't seen yet might play a large role in why activity is low. And with some series airing on different sites even earlier than Crunchy, even premium users might not want to join those threads if they stumble across (what are to them) spoilers from an episode they haven't seen yet.
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maxgale wrote:

Eh, if we are talking about activity on the forum, part of it might have to do with the split between free users and premium users.


Stumbling across (what are to free users) spoilers from an episode they haven't seen yet might play a large role in why activity is low. And with some series airing on different sites even earlier than Crunchy, even premium users might not want to join those threads if they stumble across (what are to them) spoilers from an episode they haven't seen yet.


Nothing against free USERS but I think Premium Users should be able to POST freely about a show that aired as long it's about that episode.

I do agree if you stumble on a show that airs earlier ( Dark Side ) It should be spoiled !

I asked a lot of forum posters I dont see you post . The answer I got all the time is that some forum posters are just nasty and turned them away.

I wont get into details there weas a poster just recently on RWBY who just hogged / nitpicked everybody in a negative way. There was a couple others who should have let a sleeping dog lie . So we got 2 / 3 even more pages of endless back and forth bickering. When I directed him to the RWBY Wiki that kind of shut the author down

The author even said there cant be no Thunderstorms in Winter . Hell we had Tornado High Winds just last week or so. That's the kind of stupidity we have

Then this same author who I never seen on Gate got bored after no more RWBY tried to incite things there and people warn the forum about the author and shut him down in a hurry.

I hated FATE STAY NITE / SAO forums as they were out of hand too !

I am watching close to 42 shows I cant posiibly commeny on the avg shows . I post about the shows I like . I would like to post more but cant.

The forum used to be fun now it's so nasty sometimes.

THE WHOLE ANIME FAN SCENE IS SLOW

I go read blogs / reviews on 4 / 5 other sites and where they had a lot of traffic there is almost no posts or a couple when they used to have 30 even 50 replies,

So just using / looking at CR is a small sample of what's going on industry wide .
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maxgale wrote:

Eh, if we are talking about activity on the forum, part of it might have to do with the split between free users and premium users.


Stumbling across (what are to free users) spoilers from an episode they haven't seen yet might play a large role in why activity is low. And with some series airing on different sites even earlier than Crunchy, even premium users might not want to join those threads if they stumble across (what are to them) spoilers from an episode they haven't seen yet.


I think you're right. I have had that feeling quite strongly this year because a few specific people who post for most episodes appear to believe that there is no marked difference between a "review" and a "synopsis." And it bugs the hell out of me.

Hell after being completely ruined by a spoiler a few months ago I was going to make a new thread complaining about the behavior and typed this out:


So yeah. Spoilers more than anything really are the reason I avoid the threads these days. I didn't make my complaint thread because quite honestly its the least of Crunchyroll's problems of late *glances at General Discussion*
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Is green-lit added to the show titles now?

This should not have reached the point to where it is now.
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Posted 3/9/16

AnimeKami wrote:

Is green-lit added to the show titles now?

This should not have reached the point to where it is now.


I agree.
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I understand all too well when situations arise and disagreements with moderators turn into essays.

While the nature of creating threads is much more important than a certain thread *looking at you AMP* where the users wanted status quo and CR wanted the change. In this situation, those in power proceeded and did not have open dialoge with its user. This ended with 2 closed threads and tons of shadow pms to get the thread back running.

Here, the situation is well reversed with those that can change will not, and those asking for change left helpless...

The data gathered is immaterial. The forums can always be excentuated to a better state. Figuring out new ways to have better and more user activity is always a plus.

Recently, I read the interview conducted with sailorbee, I am not too keen on. While CR is actively promoting it's anime library to gather more viewers where is its expansion on the forums? I should remind those that it was in conjunction with the FOURMS that CR is where it is at today. To neglect the forums would be atrocious and disrespectful.
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Bumping this because of the relevant issue going on lately.

What do people think about events that has unfolded lately? Are these policies really necessary? Can some of these suggestions be seriously considered?
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I am not a fan of these policies. I don't know who or what caused these policies to take place but I'm pretty sure it isn't anyone discussing regularly on the forum. (I'm looking at you , you lurkers) The people who post regularly each week have no problem with what was going on before, or at least no one I have known. Also for some people starting the discussion threads, they hardly take part in the discussions. It's like they only want their name displayed on the forum. Like if you are going to start a discussion topic, discuss. Stark is the only one that does that. If he wants to to do the topics let him. He is a great part of this community and always keeps us updated with the latest news. But I have more thoughts on the matter somewhere but they can't come to mind right now cause I have to make this quick and go get ready.
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