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Discussion Thread Policies: Ideas and Changes?
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The main problem is that some of the discussion pages aren't made for a couple hours after the show aired, and I'm too lazy to make a nice looking post. (Not that I really post much in the discussion threads, but I like to look at what people have to say about the shows)
Which was more convenient posting in the anticipation/discussion threads.

On a side note, with Grauger making a SAO Season 3 anticipation thread.
What's stopping people from making anime anticipation threads for things that haven't been announced? Is it against the rules or something?

Other forums usually have the Next Season Anticipation Threads, but it's not much of a thing here on CR. (There are a few, like the Where/When is NGNL S2 and Irregular Magical Highschool S2 threads.)
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I'm going to be as polite as possible and so far address the positives and negatives of what has been happening and will continue to happen until this thing gets reverted back to the way it was before:

Positives:
- More discussions about what aired rather than what to air
- Less spoilers on the first page
- First impressions of the show on the OP post (but really, I think there's only a tiny minor of thread makers that does this including myself). Usually, it's the generic type of posts so this goes into a two-fold of both positive and negative

Negatives:
- The "race". It is literally becoming a race now to see who gets the topic. This is so absurd. The discussion topics aren't games..
- The original thread maker's effort with finding news wasted. This actually makes me angry since it feels that what they've found to share here means nothing but wasted time
- Two topics that will cause confusions
- Spoilers (yes, they will still exist anyways in later pages)
- More work for the mods, much more locks because of duplicates, etc
- More controversy in general
- See the third positive listed

There's probably more negatives I hadn't thought of yet at this moment but I would like to remind that it will be like this every single season. None of the negatives existed before the new policies were put into place. And rarely, there were ever problems when the season started from what it was like before in the past.

I would really like the mods and others to really think about that. And it will occur sometimes consecutively on multiple days with the issue. This is whole thing is not supposed to be a game and should never be....

There's nothing good that has come out of this. I strongly consider taking some of the suggestions or the best move would be to revert to how everything was done before. That really has not caused problems in general unlike this.

From what I've observed so far this year, only a tiny minor of people (mostly lurkers who rarely participate on CR) seems to support the new policy changes. Most of the regulars I've talked to or seen are against it; the ones that contribute, actively discuss in a positive fashion, etc.

Is the community going to support a small part of the site's users that lurks or the actual participants who made this site the way it is today with their positive contributions, thoughts, and opinions?
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The fact that a thread as huge and active as Jojo and all the discussion in it (13 pages right up until the first episode aired) became history thanks to the new rules should tell you something's wrong. There's really no reason to start a brand new thread. It's entirely pointless and causes confusion when we have multiple threads to discuss the exact same thing. Shouldn't the site's rules actually prevent this sort of thing from happen instead of enabling it?
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Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16

PhantomGundam wrote:

The fact that a thread as huge and active as Jojo and all the discussion in it (13 pages right up until the first episode aired) became history thanks to the new rules should tell you something's wrong. There's really no reason to start a brand new thread. It's entirely pointless and causes confusion when we have multiple threads to discuss the exact same thing. Shouldn't the site's rules actually prevent this sort of thing from happen instead of enabling it?


Yes, I am very disappointed at what happened with that as well. A lot of excitement obliterated by the new policies.

Also, it's noticeable that these aren't recognized yet but CR administrators as part of the official rules. Meaning...basically, they are just hand written policies that we are supposed to follow. (it's not written in the actual official rules yet). And I really hope it won't be.
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The only thought I have to add is that the PSO2 discussion thread should most likely be closed as a blessed act of mercy, at this point.
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stark700 wrote:

Yes, I am very disappointed at what happened with that as well. A lot of excitement obliterated by the new policies.

Also, it's noticeable that these aren't recognized yet but CR administrators as part of the official rules. Meaning...basically, they are just hand written policies that we are supposed to follow. (it's not written in the actual official rules yet). And I really hope it won't be.


I just find it strange how mods are so strict with duplicate threads and now they're enforcing rules telling us to make brand new threads for already existing discussions.


rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

The only thought I have to add is that the PSO2 discussion thread should most likely be closed as a blessed act of mercy, at this point.


No! I haven't watched PSO2, but I'm positive that discussion is far more entertaining than the show itself. The sadistic side of me wants to see where this goes.
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Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16

PhantomGundam wrote:


stark700 wrote:

Yes, I am very disappointed at what happened with that as well. A lot of excitement obliterated by the new policies.

Also, it's noticeable that these aren't recognized yet but CR administrators as part of the official rules. Meaning...basically, they are just hand written policies that we are supposed to follow. (it's not written in the actual official rules yet). And I really hope it won't be.


I just find it strange how mods are so strict with duplicate threads and now they're enforcing rules telling us to make brand new threads for already existing discussions.


It's a game now.

Basically, they're the referees to determine "who can start the topic first"? This is what CR anime section boards for discussions has come to.

This is the most silliest and absurd thing I've ever seen on CR.
Sad part is, it's going to be like this forever from now on....................
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CKD-Anime wrote:

The main problem is that some of the discussion pages aren't made for a couple hours after the show aired, and I'm too lazy to make a nice looking post. (Not that I really post much in the discussion threads, but I like to look at what people have to say about the shows)
Which was more convenient posting in the anticipation/discussion threads.

On a side note, with Grauger making a SAO Season 3 anticipation thread.
What's stopping people from making anime anticipation threads for things that haven't been announced? Is it against the rules or something?

Other forums usually have the Next Season Anticipation Threads, but it's not much of a thing here on CR. (There are a few, like the Where/When is NGNL S2 and Irregular Magical Highschool S2 threads.)


A new thread doesn't have to "look" nice; it just needs to include something to get discussion started.

There is nothing stopping people from starting threads about shows they hope or expect will happen. If it's more a request for info, it goes in Advice, Info, Recommendations; if it's more like "Who wants a new season of ________? Do you think one will happen? then it's fine in Anime (unless a lot got started in what seemed to be a nuisance move), and we do have these occasionally.
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I think what lorreen doesn't understand is the the amount of controversy this has been causing. And it will be like this every season.

None of the suggestions have been considered since I've posted them almost two months ago. There hasn't been any positives that came from these policies. And guess what? It's going to be like this for Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall and every season. Flexibility? That word should be rephrased into "judgement, bias, and personal opinion".

God I miss CR when it was 2011-2013 where we hardly had problems.
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stark700 wrote:

I think what lorreen doesn't understand is the the amount of controversy this has been causing. And it will be like this every season.


She's just doing her job and enforcing the rules. It would be really helpful if we knew who made these rules in the first place so we can talk to them directly and ask them to reconsider.
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Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16

PhantomGundam wrote:


stark700 wrote:

I think what lorreen doesn't understand is the the amount of controversy this has been causing. And it will be like this every season.


She's just doing her job and enforcing the rules. It would be really helpful if we knew who made these rules in the first place so we can talk to them directly and ask them to reconsider.


Apparently, she's been talking to other mods or the other higher ups about this. I have no clue really exactly when it started. My guess is around late 2014s.

However, this has been in development for awhile and something triggered a faster push. There are several users however that came to mind that has directly/indirectly caused the consideration of the policies, including myself apparently because of the "anticipation" threads.
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Just thought I would chime in with my thoughts and experience with the new format. I did not even realize there was a change in format until I watched the My Hero Academia premiere and noticed 3 threads open for it at once. Here I was ready to post my thoughts soon after watching but there being duplicates made me unsure where I should post. This is my chief concern with the new format. Having users have free reign to make a thread around the time an episode airs causes unnecessary headache for people like me just wanting to find the thread and post. I don't want to have to wait for a mod to wake up and clean up duplicate threads, nor should they have to really.

My buzz was killed some by the fact I had to wait for mods to come in and determine what thread would stay and which would go. Ideally, the show discussion thread should be in place before it airs so we know where to post right away. Converting anticipation threads to discussion ones worked fine to that end for me. I also like that most have a good amount of info in them on the studio, staff, and such. Having that info remain with discussion is helpful for me to reference and even quote or link to when necessary.

Now, if mods feel having a clean slate for discussion is good, I'm fine with that, but only if done right. The current free for all format undermines a structured discussion IMHO. If a separate discussion from anticipation thread is how things will be done, I would like if a mod made the thread or designated someone or multiple users to in advance of the show airing so it is ready to go ASAP once the show airs. Maybe users can sign up in advance to make the thread? That would stop any races when the episode is already out. It would also allow more time for the OP to link to the anticipation thread to retain pertinent info to the series.

Losing the foundation from anticipation, the info and discussion about the series is absent in a new discussion. Seeing people's work and thoughts lost from the discussion proper does suck some life from the discussion IMHO. Whatever is done from here, I would like to see this reconciled in some way and have a firm discussion thread in place from the get go of the series that retains at the very least a link to the anticipation thread. The day of discussion threads are too messy and chaotic as is and discussion would be better served with a more planned out structure.

TLDR the new format has one major issue, no thread in place when a show first airs and a subsequent race to make one. All previous info is also lost from anticipation with no planning or intentional carryover links from the anticipation thread for the series.
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Don't know why it's a race when the other topic starters besides stark and some others i know personally never discuss or post in their own thread. Like why make a thread if you aren't going to use it?
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Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16

PhantomGundam wrote:

She's just doing her job and enforcing the rules. It would be really helpful if we knew who made these rules in the first place so we can talk to them directly and ask them to reconsider.


It was consensus of mods and CR staff who manage the mods. Some of the background is summarized here:

/forumtopic-941289/discussion-thread-policies-ideas-and-changes?pg=2#53284727
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I would have posted here earlier if I thought there was a chance for the policies to revert back to what they were, and while I still don't think the mods or anyone else with the power to make changes actually care about the negative response, the only response, it's apparent that more people are unhappy with the change than when the change was first announced, therefore I'm posting here now.

The policy was supposed to benefit the community, yet the decision was made without our regard. It would have made more sense to offer the policy change as an idea and maybe make a poll for a fair vote or announce some sort of vote system in the site news. Something like that, so people at least didn't have to feel like there was an abrupt change benefiting an unknown/very small group of people.

If people were actually unhappy about the anticipation/discussion in one policy, they would have fought harder to make the change happen like stark is fighting for the current policies to revert back. How many people stating their distaste for the new policy will it take to revert back? If the previous decision was made for the benefit of the community, why hasn't reverting even been considered?

I prefer the previous policies and want them to return, but I'm not exactly demanding them to. I'd just like to seriously suggest that mods or whoever ask the community as a whole which policy we prefer and for a fair decision to be made based on the community's response.
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