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Discussion Thread Policies: Ideas and Changes?
Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16
Admittedly I haven't posted in the Anime board in a long time so I was never aware any changes have been made. But I can see how all the changes made have become a problem and I think the suggestions made by Stark & AK should be taken seriously. Idk about other people but for myself I used to enjoy coming to the this part of the forum and discussing shows, but over time a small number of users started taking over, participating in discussions among themselves and it all started to feel rather cliquish. I found myself less and less being able to participate in a discussion to the point where I just stopped coming by. While it's just a passing observation it seems many of the "regular" posters who i used to see and enjoyed their comments seemed to have gone away too, but that may be just a bias from me. If i were to point to a nexus of when this started to happen it would be in the explosion of tournament threads. I honestly believe the shear number of them detract from the board and probably should be a sub.

How Stark has mentioned previously, the board was much cleaner and "easier" to navigate under the old format. I know i never had a problem figuring out which topic to post in; having all the historical discussion from pre-show and through the episodes helpful to putting a voice to thoughts i may have had on that episode. Subs are badly needed for the shows, most definitely for the more popular ones. However, like some have mentioned I don't think it will ever happen mostly because the site does not want to place the resources against it; which makes sense when you look at it from a corporate point of view seeing as CR is fully a business since being purchased by Chernin Group. We're lucky the forums weren't killed all together because they could be seen as a liability.

I appreciate the effort people like Stark put into starting the threads and making them ready for discussion with all the information provided in the OP. Actually they are some of the best things about the board, it kept things orderly imo. Personally, i feel the board will continue to decline but perhaps that just the natural ebb and flow of things as people come and go and interests changed.

My own recommendation would be to enlist users with coding experience and passion to help reformat the forums and assist in running them. I'm sure a few people would do it without any compensation because they want to see the continued vitality of the forms. I guess that would essentially be like adding more Mods (do they receive anything in return? I was under the impression they didn't), and it would relieve CR corporate from the burden of dealing with the forums, other than from a purely administrative standpoint.
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Posted 4/6/16

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Don't know why it's a race when the other topic starters besides stark and some others i know personally never discuss or post in their own thread. Like why make a thread if you aren't going to use it?


They want to look cool for having a name being on the front page. I know personally that there's one guy who admits it.
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I try not to post here often.

Here's the thing. It was always a competition. Always a race. I've been a mod for a few years, and I've seen folks who would make a post, say, about a studio planning a new anime (maybe), then ask that that be converted to the anticipation thread for a show once it was announced, and use that as an argument for other threads created post-announcement to be declared dupes and be closed.

I've seen people create a thread for a show anticipation with basically no information - "coming soon" or something similar, just to get their thread up ASAP. Then, edit the thread opening post, and then report any other anticipation threads that were created with actual full opening posts as dupes, because a quick thread creation went up first - even if it had no information when it appeared. But because it was first, the creator would use that to argue against the other threads even existing.

Trying to say the new rules have created a "race" is being disingenuous to the extreme. We're doing our best. We're trying to keep the postings open to as many people as possible - not favoring anyone over anyone else. Splitting the anticipation and discussion threads was done to let more people in on the fun, not less. Anticipation threads are there to talk about what might be. Discussion threads are there to talk about what is.

As for adding more mods, I've seen plenty of complaints that there are already too many, so I'm not sure what adding more would do to help the situation. We mods don't get coding power in the forums (even those of us, like me, who code professionally). But, that's not my call - that'd be something support would need to decide, and possibly do a new round of mod additions.
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Posted 4/6/16

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Now, if mods feel having a clean slate for discussion is good, I'm fine with that, but only if done right. The current free for all format undermines a structured discussion IMHO. If a separate discussion from anticipation thread is how things will be done, I would like if a mod made the thread or designated someone or multiple users to in advance of the show airing so it is ready to go ASAP once the show airs. Maybe users can sign up in advance to make the thread? That would stop any races when the episode is already out. It would also allow more time for the OP to link to the anticipation thread to retain pertinent info to the series.


This idea came to my mind at one point but it is still as controversial as what's been happening. In essence, it should be fair. Whoever finds the news first and puts the most thought and effort to deliver to the community should get them.

Either way, right now...we have this race game.

Keep in mind that it will happen again for Summer 2016, Fall 2016, Winter 2017, Spring 2017, and so on possibly for a consecutive basis of multiple shows within a span of a single day at times.
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Posted 4/6/16

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Here's the thing. It was always a competition. Always a race. I've been a mod for a few years, and I've seen folks who would make a post, say, about a studio planning a new anime (maybe), then ask that that be converted to the anticipation thread for a show once it was announced, and use that as an argument for other threads created post-announcement to be declared dupes and be closed.

I've seen people create a thread for a show anticipation with basically no information - "coming soon" or something similar, just to get their thread up ASAP. Then, edit the thread opening post, and then report any other anticipation threads that were created with actual full opening posts as dupes, because a quick thread creation went up first - even if it had no information when it appeared. But because it was first, the creator would use that to argue against the other threads even existing..


Was that a big problem as it is today now though?

Here's the the thing about that. News about topics are usually unknown about when the show comes out because Anichart or no sites can predict the future directly. Any news can come out any time so the "race" is not really something that people will prepare for unless they absolutely know the exact timing when the news of an anime comes out. When applied with the current policies, everyone knows when they come out hence the race.

Also, there hasn't been a problem with that since one Nanatsu no Taizai topic around last September or something.I can't recall any others last year besides that incident. Everything else that has been happening is going around for the past few days. (My Hero Academia, Twin Star Exorcists, Jojo Diamond is Unbreakable, etc)
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Yeesh 2 wordy 4 my blood. All i № is that the CR mods r 2 few & 2 bussy, i mean sure there r tons of times when editing posts is the right choice or using the tools they r given but keep in mind these mods r people not bots they r scrapped 4 time and have there own lives 2 live and there r litterally 10s of 1000s of members to deal with.

U want more effective management u need more man power u can't just selfishly say hay it's ur job do it b cuz 4 all we know they don't even get compensation 4 dealing with some of the crazy immature crap here.

And hell i h8 mods but i still № the score.
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Posted 4/6/16

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MakotoKamui wrote:

Here's the thing. It was always a competition. Always a race. I've been a mod for a few years, and I've seen folks who would make a post, say, about a studio planning a new anime (maybe), then ask that that be converted to the anticipation thread for a show once it was announced, and use that as an argument for other threads created post-announcement to be declared dupes and be closed.

I've seen people create a thread for a show anticipation with basically no information - "coming soon" or something similar, just to get their thread up ASAP. Then, edit the thread opening post, and then report any other anticipation threads that were created with actual full opening posts as dupes, because a quick thread creation went up first - even if it had no information when it appeared. But because it was first, the creator would use that to argue against the other threads even existing..


Was that a big problem as it is today now though?

Here's the the thing about that. News about topics are usually unknown about when the show comes out because Anichart or no sites can predict the future directly. Any news can come out any time so the "race" is not really something that people will prepare for unless they absolutely know the exact timing when the news of an anime comes out. When applied with the current policies, everyone knows when they come out hence the race.

Also, there hasn't been a problem with that since one Nanatsu no Taizai topic around last September or something.I can't recall any others last year besides that incident. Everything else that has been happening is going around for the past few days. (My Hero Academia, Twin Star Exorcists, Jojo Diamond is Unbreakable, etc)


As big a problem as it is today? I basically just said it was. I try not to share PMs or name names, however. Perhaps if those involved insist, I can.
Posted 4/6/16

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As for adding more mods, I've seen plenty of complaints that there are already too many, so I'm not sure what adding more would do to help the situation. We mods don't get coding power in the forums (even those of us, like me, who code professionally). But, that's not my call - that'd be something support would need to decide, and possibly do a new round of mod additions.


I see the mods less than i used to a few years ago, so i'm not sure where the complaints surface from, but that's only from my observation. My suggestions wasn't so much as adding mods but to shift the burden of coding & managing the forums to the community. Obviously CR would need to vet them thoroughly as that is a major responsibility, but it could be sourced from current Mods if they have the ability. Again, I don't honestly believe it would happen but I feel it would help with bringing the forums up to standards that would make them more intuitive. Thanks for posting though, nice to see someone else other than Loreen chime in.
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Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16

MakotoKamui wrote:

As big a problem as it is today? I basically just said it was. I try not to share PMs or name names, however. Perhaps if those involved insist, I can.


A rule or policy could of easily implemented to prevent that like something along the line of :

"Only make topics related to anticipation when we know the series' title or description". It's really simple, much more easier than dealing with what we have now. And I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.


Trying to say the new rules have created a "race" is being disingenuous to the extreme. We're doing our best. We're trying to keep the postings open to as many people as possible - not favoring anyone over anyone else. Splitting the anticipation and discussion threads was done to let more people in on the fun, not less. Anticipation threads are there to talk about what might be. Discussion threads are there to talk about what is.


Actually it has. What these policies have created is a race for every season like a battle royale of sorts. Splitting the anticipation and discussion thread so far has created anything but fun. The Jojo Diamond is Unbreakable excitement from the anticipation topic is gone. Not many people are happy with that including myself. No one finds that "fun".
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The new policy did not create the race, it made it worse. Having the race be THE DAY the anime premires is the issue, not the race itself. Yeah, some people want to be first for whatever reason. I get that. The issue is the timing here. No one should have to make the thread the day it comes out AGAIN when it already exists with most anticipation. No one should have to sift through multiple identical threads or wait on mods either. The mods should not have to deal with that nonsense in real time, either.

The old way gave everyone ample time in regard to the racing, this way does not and also actively encorages races by its very nature. The fact the discussion thread MUST be made around the time it airs is what causes this racing to be amplified. The thread used for discussion should be in place before the day it airs so there is no chaos or confusion when it does and people come to post. It should be there already and easy to identify. As is, I guarantee people like me are frustrated not knowing what thread to post in if we watch the simulcast as it comes out and suddenly multiple discussions exist or none exist.
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Posted 4/6/16

stark700 wrote:


MakotoKamui wrote:

As big a problem as it is today? I basically just said it was. I try not to share PMs or name names, however. Perhaps if those involved insist, I can.


A rule or policy could of easily implemented to prevent that like something along the line of :

"Only make topics related to anticipation when we know the series' title or description". It's really simple, much more easier than dealing with what we have now. And I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.


Makes sense to me. I will add that for anticipation thread creation rules. Thanks! Any "series creator X working on new series unknown yet" type threads are also acceptable, but will not be converted to anticipation or discussion threads.
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Posted 4/6/16 , edited 4/6/16

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The new policy did not create the race, it made it worse. Having the race be THE DAY the anime premires is the issue, not the race itself. Yeah, some people want to be first for whatever reason. I get that. The issue is the timing here. No one should have to make the thread the day it comes out AGAIN when it already exists with most anticipation. No one should have to sift through multiple identical threads or wait on mods either. The mods should not have to deal with that nonsense in real time, either.

The old way gave everyone ample time in regard to the racing, this way does not and also actively encorages races by its very nature. The fact the discussion thread MUST be made around the time it airs is what causes this racing to be amplified. The thread used for discussion should be in place before the day it airs so there is no chaos or confusion when it does and people come to post. It should be there already and easy to identify. As is, I guarantee people like me are frustrated not knowing what thread to post in if we watch the simulcast as it comes out and suddenly multiple discussions exist or none exist.


THIS.

It just made the "race" much worse.


MakotoKamui wrote:


stark700 wrote:


MakotoKamui wrote:

As big a problem as it is today? I basically just said it was. I try not to share PMs or name names, however. Perhaps if those involved insist, I can.


A rule or policy could of easily implemented to prevent that like something along the line of :

"Only make topics related to anticipation when we know the series' title or description". It's really simple, much more easier than dealing with what we have now. And I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.


Makes sense to me. I will add that for anticipation thread creation rules. Thanks! Any "series creator X working on new series unknown yet" type threads are also acceptable, but will not be converted to anticipation or discussion threads.


Yes, I'm fine with this. Should of been implemented awhile ago imo.
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Posted 4/6/16
You know, I've mentioned this before but perhaps the race thing could be solved by whatever topics gets the most attention for discussion? After all, if the OP truly cares about show beyond just having their name on the front page, then themselves would take time to discuss.

I mentioned this once before although I had mixed thoughts about it at the time myself. Thoughts on this? This is not a suggestion btw, I'm just throwing out a thought on this.
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Posted 4/6/16

stark700 wrote:

Yes, I'm fine with this. Should of been implemented awhile ago imo.


Cool. It's kind of how it was working anyway, if I read things right. That doesn't change things like the discussion threads happening when the show starts becoming available to discuss, however, so it seems a bit unrelated.
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Posted 4/6/16
Awww so no more Series announcement anticipation threads

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