First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  Next  Last
Post Reply 20 Years of Pokemon
51225 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
20 / M
Offline
Posted 2/26/16

geauxtigers1989 wrote:

As opposed to a pile of sludge, a cloud of gas, a cloud of poison gas and a ball of vines?


That "cloud of gas" was a ghost and the "ball of vines" was a plant. I'll admit the first gen did have some weird ones like the pile of sludge, but they pretty much ran out of ideas once they started making Pokemon out of furniture. It's like they're not even trying anymore.
Kintor 
20420 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 2/26/16

Ranwolf wrote:


Kintor wrote:

So, 20 years of Pokemon, surprised the franchise has made it this far really. After all, in those 20 years I've found the Pokemon games have become increasingly stuck in a rut, more content to provide semi-annual release with new Pokemon rather than offer any real innovations in gameplay. As it stands, the current crop of Pokemon games are just 3D pixels over the same 2D gameplay mechanics that's existed since the GameBoy days. In this respect Pokemon is like the V-Pet equivalent of FIFA or Madden, the same game as last year only with a new team roster.

In contrast, I'm getting a lot of enjoyment out of playing Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth on my PS4:


Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ31bu_8vlY

Cyber Sleuth is amazing; beautiful visuals, solid gameplay and with a standalone story to rival any season of the Digimon anime. This new Digimon game is bold and ambitious, aimed at adult fans of the Digimon franchise, able to depict a dark cyberpunk style adventure that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Persona as a great JRPG in its own right. As such, now more than ever, with the arrival of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth, I get the sense that Pokemon is being left in the past; a generation's worth of innovations and sophisticated audience tastes that is simply passing Pokemon by.


And perhaps the most damn convoluted gameplay mechanics I've ever seen and I play Korean MMOs.

Honestly, it's not hard to understand the Digivolution mechanics in Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth. The important thing to remember is that there is not set growth path for a Digimon; depending on how a Digimon develops at any given level they may become entirely different Digimon. Like how in the first season of Digimon, depending on Tai's actions, Greymon could Digivolve to either MetalGreymon or SkullGreymon.

As matter of practicality, Cyber Sleuth allows you to Digivolve and then De-Digivolve the Digimon in your party, in order to meet the specific requirements needed for certain Digimon to Digivolve along a desired path. Sometimes it's neccesary to level-up a Digimon to the maximium limit and then De-Digivolve them, because the requirements for Mega level Digimon are tough to reach. This sophisticated gameplay mechanic achieves a level of depth that is simple impossible in Pokemon, given the Pokemon franchise's decidedly basic mechanics.
Banned
17503 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / B.C, Canada
Offline
Posted 2/26/16

Kintor wrote:


Honestly, it's not hard to understand the Digivolution mechanics in Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth. The important thing to remember is that there is not set growth path for a Digimon; depending on how a Digimon develops at any given level they may become entirely different Digimon. Like how in the first season of Digimon, depending on Tai's actions, Greymon could Digivolve to either MetalGreymon or SkullGreymon.

As matter of practicality, Cyber Sleuth allows you to Digivolve and then De-Digivolve the Digimon in your party, in order to meet the specific requirements needed for certain Digimon to Digivolve along a desired path. Sometimes it's neccesary to level-up a Digimon to the maximium limit and then De-Digivolve them, because the requirements for Mega level Digimon are tough to reach. This sophisticated gameplay mechanic achieves a level of depth that is simple impossible in Pokemon, given the Pokemon franchise's decidedly basic mechanics.


I never said it was difficult to comprehend mate just convoluted. Convoluted is defined as unnecessary complex and tedious . Your basic explanation underlined that quite nicely so thanks mate.
Kintor 
20420 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 2/26/16

Ranwolf wrote:

I never said it was difficult to comprehend mate just convoluted. Convoluted is defined as unnecessary complex and tedious . Your basic explanation underlined that quite nicely so thanks mate.

Perhaps what you need is a nice flowchart:



As you can see, depending on how the in-training level Puyomon develops (which stats are levelled-up the most) that Digimon could become any of over a dozen different Mega level Digimon. Of course, the path to Mega level is not always straight forward. You must often De-Digivolve (retaining some stats) to a lower level and then gaining more experience before a desired Digivolution can be achieved. This sophisticated gameplay achieves a kind of versatility and sense of individuality lacking in Pokemon games, there is far more potential in Digimon's growth path and the gameplay is all the more enjoyable because of it.
Banned
17503 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / B.C, Canada
Offline
Posted 2/26/16

Kintor wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:

I never said it was difficult to comprehend mate just convoluted. Convoluted is defined as unnecessary complex and tedious . Your basic explanation underlined that quite nicely so thanks mate.

Perhaps what you need is a nice flowchart:



As you can see, depending on how the in-training level Puyomon develops (which stats are levelled-up the most) that Digimon could become any of over a dozen different Mega level Digimon. Of course, the path to Mega level is not always straight forward. You must often De-Digivolve (retaining some stats) to a lower level and then gaining more experience before a desired Digivolution can be achieved. This sophisticated gameplay achieves a kind of versatility and sense of individuality lacking in Pokemon games, there is far more potential in Digimon's growth path and the gameplay is all the more enjoyable because of it.


Ya do know ya rapidly approaching satire right?
Kintor 
20420 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 2/26/16

Ranwolf wrote:

Ya do know ya rapidly approaching satire right?

Well, besides your desperate need for a spell-check program it doesn't look like you have much to say on the subject. By explaining the sophistication of Digivolution, in comparison to Pokemon's basic gameplay, I've shown how Pokemon is falling behind other JRPGs available today. Not to mention all the other areas that Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth excels over Pokemon, such as in terms of visuals and storytelling.
33924 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / Florida
Offline
Posted 2/26/16
I have to catch up all the episodes before the games are out. I think I left it at Pokemon Diamond and Pearl.
20 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / London, England
Offline
Posted 2/27/16
This makes me feel old
637 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M
Offline
Posted 2/27/16

lilliputianliar wrote:

I've been playing since 2001. I thought I would have given up by now, but I always get the latest main series game. I came to the conclusion that I will never stop playing these games. I actually completed the national dex for the first time in my life last year around this time. All 720 pokemon. :D


I've got about 500 currently in the latest games, besides the ones coming out but the one thing, the one thing I will say I don't like about the Pokemon games is the tedious leveling you have to do if you don't level up certain Pokemon during the story line. It means multiple E4 runs later.
3473 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
18 / M / The Mothership
Offline
Posted 2/27/16
I have to say my favorite Pokemon series is Advanced Battle beside Emerald, Ruby and Sapphire and my most favorite Pokemon is Blaziken and I swear Misty and May were BAE.
Banned
17503 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / B.C, Canada
Offline
Posted 2/27/16 , edited 2/27/16

Kintor wrote:

Well, besides your desperate need for a spell-check program it doesn't look like you have much to say on the subject. By explaining the sophistication of Digivolution, in comparison to Pokemon's basic gameplay, I've shown how Pokemon is falling behind other JRPGs available today. Not to mention all the other areas that Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth excels over Pokemon, such as in terms of visuals and storytelling.


Ya is a commonly accepted slang version of you mate , so much so even a spell check accepts it as correct. So take your inner spelling nazi and tell it to shut up mate.

That aside more complex does equal a better game. Complexity is not an end all measuring stick as to whether anything is a better product. Nor does simplicity automatically ensure that a game must be inferior to a more complex one. The true measuring stick of a game's overall superiority is in the execution and the enjoyment it's players feel. One of the easiest methods to determine that is though total unit sales. Which Pokemon blows Digimon out of the water, and we not even mentioning the overall success of the animated ties ins either since Pokemon wins there as well.
Kintor 
20420 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 2/27/16

Ranwolf wrote:

That aside more complex does equal a better game. Complexity is not an end all measuring stick as to whether anything is a better product. Nor does simplicity automatically ensure that a game must be inferior to a more complex one. The true measuring stick of a game's overall superiority is in the execution and the enjoyment it's players feel. One of the easiest methods to determine that is though total unit sales. Which Pokemon blows Digimon out of the water, and we not even mentioning the overall success of the animated ties ins either since Pokemon wins there as well.

There's no need for generalisations now, I'm talking about specific games and how times have changed. As a franchise Pokemon was never at the front of innovation, even compared to its JRPG peers in the mid-90s. Even so Pokemon wasn't that far behind the cutting edge, the limitations of the GameBoy's hardware certainly cut it some slack with the public. Yet now 20 years later Pokemon has fallen way behind the competition, a franchise that has remained static while the rest of the industry blazed ahead with the innovations that each new generation of hardware offered. The creation of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth represents a new apex in this trend; as a game Cyber Sleuth categorically outclasses Pokemon at every turn. The Digimon gameplay is more sophisticated, the Digimon graphics are more beautiful, the Digimon story is on a whole other level.
2604 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M / Whale Island
Offline
Posted 2/27/16
I don't know any Pokemon fan who likes everyone single one every dreamt up but as fans we tend to focus on the one we do like.
7467 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 2/27/16

Markest1 wrote:

I have to say my favorite Pokemon series is Advanced Battle beside Emerald, Ruby and Sapphire and my most favorite Pokemon is Blaziken and I swear Misty and May were BAE.


Dawn and Hilda are better



48423 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / AZ
Offline
Posted 2/27/16


Rosa for the win
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.