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SHUT UP. ash is AWESOME and THE BEST. Alain is 2nd favorite.
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20 years... Damn this makes me feel old. I remember owning the original Red, Blue, and Yellow and now I got all games from Gen 1 to Gen 5 with Gen 6's Y Version and Omega Ruby. Getting Sun Version this holiday season!
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SHUT UP. ash is AWESOME and THE BEST. Alain is 2nd favorite.


There is a theory that Ash is actually better than Red. I believe it because Ash has traveled not one region but...

Kanto
Orange Islands
Johto
Hoenn
Sinnoh
Unova
Kalos

Ash has 52 gym badges along with the Orange Islands' Championship and seven Frontier Symbols, while Red has eight badges and is Kanto's Champion.

Red has only seen 150 Pokémon (151 if you count Mew), Ash has seen way over 151.

Red supposively caught 150 Pokémon, Ash has... 45, he released 4, traded away 1 (Aipom) and gave away 1 (Casey's Beedrill). But it's impossible to catch 'em all for real.

Red just defeated Team Rocket... Ash has put a stop to Team Rocket (many times), Team Magma/Aqua, Team Galactic, Team Plasma, Team Flare.
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Hmm gone static,stale even according to you. And furthermore you claim Digimon is a much better game. And yet the sales figure seem to disagree with you. The general consensus disagrees with you , and hell I bet the metacritic rating disagrees with you. So exactly what reality is this fantasy of yours resting upon aside from your own opinion?

No offense but I've noticed that you've been unable to come-up with any argument against the fact that Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth is a better game. Really now, after two decades of stagnation it's easy for other JRPGs to surpass Pokemon. Obviously, being run on the hardware of the PS4 and Vita, Cyber Sleuth has much better visuals, making it the more beautiful game. Not to mention the gameplay mechanics run circles around Pokemon, the practise of Digivolution and De-Digivolution offers a level versatility and sophistication that Pokemon is simply lacking. Plus, Digimon has always had the better stories and Cyber Sleuth is no exception, the plot of this game is an equal to any Digimon anime, far surpassing the meagre efforts that constitute a plot in Pokemon games. In every respect Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth the edge by far.


And you've presented nothing but hearsay, personal opinion , and some questionable subjective viewpoints. Show me some hard financial data that proves Digimon is a better game then Pokeman . Cause it is the money that talks loudest, entertainment only sells when it is entertaining enough for people to buy.
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There is a theory that Ash is actually better than Red. I believe it because Ash has traveled not one region but...

Kanto
Orange Islands
Johto
Hoenn
Sinnoh
Unova
Kalos

Ash has 52 gym badges along with the Orange Islands' Championship and seven Frontier Symbols, while Red has eight badges and is Kanto's Champion.

Red has only seen 150 Pokémon (151 if you count Mew), Ash has seen way over 151.

Red supposively caught 150 Pokémon, Ash has... 45, he released 4, traded away 1 (Aipom) and gave away 1 (Casey's Beedrill). But it's impossible to catch 'em all for real.

Red just defeated Team Rocket... Ash has put a stop to Team Rocket (many times), Team Magma/Aqua, Team Galactic, Team Plasma, Team Flare.


Well Red doesn't have the advantage Ash does. Red was the protagonist of one generation out of six, Ash has been the protagonist for twenty seasons and something like 19 movies. Ash manages to average an astonishing <10 pokemon captures per region... that's just pathetic. Though I suppose if we listen to the idiocy that is the idea that he's still 10 I guess he's only been in each region for a matter of weeks. That idea makes Ash ridiculous, it means he's beating at least one gym leader each week. So I suppose my stance at this point is that the two are entirely incomparable, their situations are too vastly different and in Ash's case convoluted for any substantive conclusion to be reached.
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And you've presented nothing but hearsay, personal opinion , and some questionable subjective viewpoints. Show me some hard financial data that proves Digimon is a better game then Pokeman . Cause it is the money that talks loudest, entertainment only sells when it is entertaining enough for people to buy.

I'm here to discuss matters of quality, specifically how Pokemon games have fallen behind in comparison to Digimon games. As I've said before (to which you have no answer) on a technical level Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth greatly exceeds the quality of Pokemon games, an achievement made almost trivial given how the Pokemon franchise has remained static for the last 20 years. Graphics are a given, since Cyber Sleuth is running on the PS4 and Vita, the aging 3DS just can't compete. Gameplay also goes to Cyber Sleuth, thanks to the sophistication of the Digivolution mechanics. While, as always, the quality of storytelling remains a key advantage for Cyber Sleuth. In this day and age Pokemon is outclassed by the likes of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth.
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Ranwolf wrote:

And you've presented nothing but hearsay, personal opinion , and some questionable subjective viewpoints. Show me some hard financial data that proves Digimon is a better game then Pokeman . Cause it is the money that talks loudest, entertainment only sells when it is entertaining enough for people to buy.

I'm here to discuss matters of quality, specifically how Pokemon games have fallen behind in comparison to Digimon games. As I've said before (to which you have no answer) on a technical level Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth greatly exceeds the quality of Pokemon games, an achievement made almost trivial given how the Pokemon franchise has remained static for the last 20 years. Graphics are a given, since Cyber Sleuth is running on the PS4 and Vita, the aging 3DS just can't compete. Gameplay also goes to Cyber Sleuth, thanks to the sophistication of the Digivolution mechanics. While, as always, the quality of storytelling remains a key advantage for Cyber Sleuth. In this day and age Pokemon is outclassed by the likes of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth.


I swear it's like talking to water wheel with you. Mate do yourself a favour and get some sunshine, a little fresh air will help that recursive loop ya seem stuck in.

And judging from sales figure you're one of a small bunch who think Digimon is worth the asking price. I question the validity of your so called superior game when its' developers seem to barely be covering cost. Compared to the financial behemoth that is the Pokemon Franchise Digimon is decidedly last place.

And all your other points are mere opinions. And resting your case repeatedly on the same damn exact words time and again is making me question if I am actually talking to a bot or rational individual.
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Ranwolf wrote:

And you've presented nothing but hearsay, personal opinion , and some questionable subjective viewpoints. Show me some hard financial data that proves Digimon is a better game then Pokeman . Cause it is the money that talks loudest, entertainment only sells when it is entertaining enough for people to buy.

I'm here to discuss matters of quality, specifically how Pokemon games have fallen behind in comparison to Digimon games. As I've said before (to which you have no answer) on a technical level Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth greatly exceeds the quality of Pokemon games, an achievement made almost trivial given how the Pokemon franchise has remained static for the last 20 years. Graphics are a given, since Cyber Sleuth is running on the PS4 and Vita, the aging 3DS just can't compete. Gameplay also goes to Cyber Sleuth, thanks to the sophistication of the Digivolution mechanics. While, as always, the quality of storytelling remains a key advantage for Cyber Sleuth. In this day and age Pokemon is outclassed by the likes of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth.


To Ranwolf: Just cause something sells a lot doesn't mean its good, it means it's popular. Twilight is a popular book, it doesn't mean its a good one.

To Kintor: You claim that DS : CS is so far above Pokemon citing the "complexity" as one of the reasons. First of all being complex and having all sorts of new aspects doesn't always mean its better. If you have a system that works you keep using it, you may slowly expand upon it but you don't go trying to throw multiple new changes at it all at once. Pokemon has done just that, each generation adds one or two new things to the mix, natures, double/triple battles, held items, mega evolutions.

Also on a personal note.... looking at that flow chart though, forgive me if I'm wrong on this since I'm not Digimon savvy, how does any of that make sense within the Digimon universe? Don't all Digimon each have their own line of Digi-evelutions? It would be like having a Pokemon game where your Charmander starter can change into a Charmeleon, Wartortle, Ivysaur, Chansey, Magikarp or Arceus depending on how you train it, it just doesn't make any damn sense.
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To Ranwolf: Just cause something sells a lot doesn't mean its good, it means it's popular. Twilight is a popular book, it doesn't mean its a good one.

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I want you think about the illogical placement of that opinion for a second. I am sure unless you're a rich daddy's girl that money isn't something that rains from the sky. People do not shell out hard earned cash for something they consider inferior and don't genuinely enjoy.
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Ranwolf wrote:

And all your other points are mere opinions. And resting your case repeatedly on the same damn exact words time and again is making me question if I am actually talking to a bot or rational individual.

What I have said is eminently verifiable. As I said, there's no way the aging hardware of the 3DS can compete with PS4 and Vita, this means an easy win for Cyber Sleuth in the graphics department. Gameplay as well goes to Cyber Sleuth; the sophistication of Digivolution is well suited to a JRPG, a genre which thrives on complexity especially in terms of establishing a diverse and multi-talented adventuring party. As for storytelling, it's no contest really; as an anime Digimon has always had the edge over Pokemon; Cyber Sleuth simply continues this edge by drawing upon established concepts from throughout the Digimon franchise.



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To Kintor: You claim that DS : CS is so far above Pokemon citing the "complexity" as one of the reasons. First of all being complex and having all sorts of new aspects doesn't always mean its better. If you have a system that works you keep using it, you may slowly expand upon it but you don't go trying to throw multiple new changes at it all at once. Pokemon has done just that, each generation adds one or two new things to the mix, natures, double/triple battles, held items, mega evolutions.

Also on a personal note.... looking at that flow chart though, forgive me if I'm wrong on this since I'm not Digimon savvy, how does any of that make sense within the Digimon universe? Don't all Digimon each have their own line of Digi-evelutions? It would be like having a Pokemon game where your Charmander starter can change into a Charmeleon, Wartortle, Ivysaur, Chansey, Magikarp or Arceus depending on how you train it, it just doesn't make any damn sense.

Well, as I mentioned earlier, there isn't a set growth path for Digimon. Depending on how a Digimon is raised they can Digivolve into entirely different Digimon. It's always been this way:



This chart is for the very first Digimon V-Pet. As you can see, there are branching paths at every level, reflecting different ways the Digimon can Digivolve. For example, do everything right and Augumon can Digivolve into Greymon (the growth path made famous in the anime). Screw up (like by forgetting to clean-up any poop a Digimon drops) and Augumon could instead Digivolve into the far weaker Numemon.

Of course, over the years (as the Digimon franchise itself has grown) the mechanics of Digivolution have become considerably more complex. Incorporating new kinds of Digivolution such as Armour Digivolution (combining a Digimon with a special Digi-Egg), DNA Digivolution (combining two Digimon), Biomerge Digivolution (combining a Digimon with a Human), Spirit Digivolution (combining a Human with a partially deleted Digimon), Mode Change/Burst Mode (a Digimon achieves a state beyond Mega level) and DigiFuse (combining multiple Digimon together). It's this variety of different ways to Digivolve which has provided rich inspiration for gameplay mechanics in Digimon games.
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Should of used a picture of James crying from Team Rocket :D


How about this?

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Chimecho always reminds me of the multi battles in X and Y because it was the first time i started encountering them and it always made me sad taking loads out at once i cried inside like James above :/
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Well, as I mentioned earlier, there isn't a set growth path for Digimon. Depending on how a Digimon is raised they can Digivolve into entirely different Digimon. It's always been this way:

*snip*

This chart is for the very first Digimon V-Pet. As you can see, there are branching paths at every level, reflecting different ways the Digimon can Digivolve. For example, do everything right and Augumon can Digivolve into Greymon (the growth path made famous in the anime). Screw up (like by forgetting to clean-up any poop a Digimon drops) and Augumon could instead Digivolve into the far weaker Numemon.

Of course, over the years (as the Digimon franchise itself has grown) the mechanics of Digivolution have become considerably more complex. Incorporating new kinds of Digivolution such as Armour Digivolution (combining a Digimon with a special Digi-Egg), DNA Digivolution (combining two Digimon), Biomerge Digivolution (combining a Digimon with a Human), Spirit Digivolution (combining a Human with a partially deleted Digimon), Mode Change/Burst Mode (a Digimon achieves a state beyond Mega level) and DigiFuse (combining multiple Digimon together). It's this variety of different ways to Digivolve which has provided rich inspiration for gameplay mechanics in Digimon games.


Huh, thanks for the info. I had always thought that they each had their own dedicated lines similar to a Pokemon but branched out as opposed to how Pokemon evolve in a linear fashion.

I still do think that both games have their merits though. I like the idea of having a variety of ways to have your respective monster develop, however I also understand in Pokemons case that they have a system that works and instead of doing massive overhauls to it they simply find new places to add more aspects to it. Over the years they've added, Special Defense as a stat, genders, Steel, Dark and Fairy types, natures, abilities, held items, double, triple and rotation battles, Mega Evolution, Primal Reversion, happiness and the affection mini game to go with it, and all the craziness involved with breeding. I feel their approach is to keep the system slowly evolving instead of risking it completely falling apart if they make the wrong moves.

True it may not be as involved as the Digimon game in question, I have no idea since I haven't played it or any other Digimon game XD, but both have their own way of approaching their respective battle systems.
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To Ranwolf: Just cause something sells a lot doesn't mean its good, it means it's popular. Twilight is a popular book, it doesn't mean its a good one.

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I want you think about the illogical placement of that opinion for a second. I am sure unless you're a rich daddy's girl that money isn't something that rains from the sky. People do not shell out hard earned cash for something they consider inferior and don't genuinely enjoy.


Gonna kinda repeat myself here for a second but... Do you think Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey are good well written novels? Many say they aren't and in fact say that they are terribly written piles of lady wank material. They do however sell extremely well. Does that somehow mean that they are better books then others? The Bible is touted as being the most sold book ever, does that mean that its better then every other book in existence?
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Ranwolf wrote:


Najja_Mallace wrote:


To Ranwolf: Just cause something sells a lot doesn't mean its good, it means it's popular. Twilight is a popular book, it doesn't mean its a good one.

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I want you think about the illogical placement of that opinion for a second. I am sure unless you're a rich daddy's girl that money isn't something that rains from the sky. People do not shell out hard earned cash for something they consider inferior and don't genuinely enjoy.


Gonna kinda repeat myself here for a second but... Do you think Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey are good well written novels? Many say they aren't and in fact say that they are terribly written piles of lady wank material. They do however sell extremely well. Does that somehow mean that they are better books then others? The Bible is touted as being the most sold book ever, does that mean that its better then every other book in existence?


Only the influenced buy those horrible books.
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