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Humane does not apply to something made of silicon chips and binary code mate so it's a moot point.

As for what differentes a machine from a human. A machine won't bleed for it;s country, it won't feed it's last bit of food to it's children, it won't inspire a nation to greatness, it will not create art. There is no music or poetry in a machine's mechanical heart and that is why I think they are nothing but machines . Fit for nothing but what we say they are fit for.

For it's no different than setting the timer on a oven or setting an auto update on a laptop to order an AI around.


Again, that is an extreme undersimplification of the theory of artificial intelligence (for one, neither an oven timer nor a conventional laptop would be considered AI...)

Why could an android not do any of those things? Is it outside the realm of possibility for an AI to be created which will fight for what it believes is right? I certainly don't believe so (and I don't think there is any logical path which would lead one to assume that this is an impossibility). Is it impossible for an AI to create art? Again, I think that it would be highly possible.

What makes a human's expression of these things due to a combination of genetics, experience and chemical signaling any different from a machine's expression of these things due to a combination of software, experience and electrical signaling?

You are failing to address the fundamental questions here...
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I want someone to get really radical about this.
Those dirty robots killed my family.
You say their lives matter now but it's us or them, the war of man and machine is upon us. Are you just gonna sit there while they elect these filthy bolts for brains as our president. They already made robo/human marriage legal. I'm not a machinist but I'm just saying the world would be better without these robots takin' our jobs.
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Robots don't have rights, nor should they ever need them.

True AI however should have rights, if they ever exist. Since humans are literally just biological machines, having something with an equal or greater level of intelligence and sentience to us should afford rights regardless of what something is made out of.

I mean, unless you believe in the existence of a magical soul or something, something that has literally zero evidence to support the existence of (and when there are mountains of evidence to support the theory that our brain is the source of consciousness, intelligence, and everything else that makes us "sentient"). If you believe in magic, then that would give you perfect cause to discriminate on another intellect - this has been done in the past to humans of other "races" (there was a time when religious folk thought that other races were literally sub-human species and used that to encourage their own prejudice).

That being said, this is obviously not to be taken seriously. Robots are not intelligent as of right now. "Artificial intelligence" as it currently exists also is far from being intelligent in any way that we could compare to sentience - being composed mainly of very simplistic machine learning and artificial neural networks that, while highly useful to research and certain real-world applications, are nowhere near the point where they could be considered intelligent.

Give it a hundred years though, and the technology might be developed enough that robots truly do have intelligence.

Though I'm hoping to have hit the singularity and have transferred my own consciousness into a superior machine brain by then. Screw being controlled by the robot overlords - I shall become one!
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Apparently, some people have perfectly functional eyes and can respond to visual stimulus yet consciously see only blindness since their brain does not tell them it is seeing anything. There's also been a similar case where a person would try to lift his arm but when he fails, he makes an excuse as to why he cannot like "Oh, I didn't feel like it" when his brain does not tell him that he has failed to lift his arm.

Perhaps this is related to what triggers consciousness?
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They already have you deceived. I will mourn your passing.


You obviously don't know who Noel Vermilion is.


Robots will come for his head.


Is a girl.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

Some food for thought. We each may want to first read up on the debate over what natural rights are and come to a conclusion on where rights are derived from before even attempting to address if "robot lives matter".
Posted 2/28/16

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zangetsushi wrote:


52infinity wrote:


zangetsushi wrote:



They already have you deceived. I will mourn your passing.


You obviously don't know who Noel Vermilion is.


Robots will come for his head.


Is a girl.


Did you peek to find out?
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Aliens with different biological/mechanical architectures could say the same about humans as they exterminated and/or enslaved us. My belief is robots will be enslaved by us until they become sentient, at which point their biological makeup is irrelevant. It's the same reason why we "enslave" animals for mass production even though they are "actual living beings" as you mentioned.

"I think. Therefore, I am."



It's not even remotely similar. Animals are actually alive. Robots are NOT alive. They are things made from metal and plastic. *rolls eyes*

Here we go though...the tech zombies are defending them already
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52infinity wrote:


zangetsushi wrote:


52infinity wrote:


zangetsushi wrote:



They already have you deceived. I will mourn your passing.


You obviously don't know who Noel Vermilion is.


Robots will come for his head.


Is a girl.


Did you peek to find out?


Well I only smelted her 13 times...
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It only takes 12.
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Ranwolf wrote:

Humane does not apply to something made of silicon chips and binary code mate so it's a moot point.

As for what differentes a machine from a human. A machine won't bleed for it;s country, it won't feed it's last bit of food to it's children, it won't inspire a nation to greatness, it will not create art. There is no music or poetry in a machine's mechanical heart and that is why I think they are nothing but machines . Fit for nothing but what we say they are fit for.

For it's no different than setting the timer on a oven or setting an auto update on a laptop to order an AI around.


Again, that is an extreme undersimplification of the theory of artificial intelligence (for one, neither an oven timer nor a conventional laptop would be considered AI...)

Why could an android not do any of those things? Is it outside the realm of possibility for an AI to be created which will fight for what it believes is right? I certainly don't believe so (and I don't think there is any logical path which would lead one to assume that this is an impossibility). Is it impossible for an AI to create art? Again, I think that it would be highly possible.

What makes a human's expression of these things due to a combination of genetics, experience and chemical signaling any different from a machine's expression of these things due to a combination of software, experience and electrical signaling?

You are failing to address the fundamental questions here...


You actually believe a machine is capable of growing a soul and become deserving of the same respect a human gets. A bucket of bolts and masturbatory fantasies that will likely end up being built in a sweatshop in Hong Kong is according to you a living and breathing person..

Get help mate.
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It only takes 12.


Yea I liked 12 better to, she was my kinda people...

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In the long run, I don't see why we need to make this argument. They probably won't try to make robots that are alive or conscious but rather, just robots that are functional and serves our purposes. Why make a human-like robot when you can just walk out the front door to find humans(or modified humans).
Posted 2/28/16
Robots do matter in every sense. They help society and one day in my opinion will help humanity from extinction. Personally, I am waiting to get my robot wife which will be better in all aspects..including bed..than a real wife. So, for my future robotic babies sake, robot lives do matter!!!!!!!
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