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Posted 2/28/16

KnightOfZero1991 wrote:games ran smoother [on linux]

citation needed
i remember reading that steam runs slower on linux, and even the same game running on a windows vm runs faster than using steam.

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KnightOfZero1991 wrote:games ran smoother [on linux]

citation needed
i remember reading that steam runs slower on linux, and even the same game running on a windows vm runs faster than using steam.



Hmm, my reference point is MMOs. WoW for example ran unparalleled on Ubuntu. Steam is a bit of a loose cannon though, being as steam isn't a game itself, but more so a framework that you run games through. I haven't personally used steam on Linux so I can't really say for what reason it doesn't work well.
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It is what it is I guess. Windows is slower because it has like a million contingencies for everything in its coding.

Linux is faster because it doesn't bother with that. Drawback is when you need something that isn't built into its coding, you gotta work for it which is kinda a pain.


Yeah cause a boot time of what.. four or five extra seconds is totally not worth a backup plan...I'll never understand the logic behind that myself. I mean everyone with half a brain likes having a backup plan.


If you think the boot-up time is all, you're sadly mistaken. Applications loaded faster, games ran smoother, that's just the start really. But personally the extra work just to get everything running isn't worth it in my opinion, but to those who are super tech savvy it might.


This would be true at the old days. Unfortunately big data ruined it. Since users of commercial products became victims of marketing; it just got really bad. Windows 10 is a very sad example of the drastic turn that is just going forward. I don't think apple will eat those consumers.

The thing with games is that, the games are being designed on the mindset that who are at majority using a platform. In mobile, unix is dominant, windows is dead. If Linux gets bigger, it'll be worth it to spend money on creating content for it. If enough effort goes into it, it'll become easier to use.

And the sad truth is that even though using windows for gaming has been for long superior, it's the operating system that saps most of the resources on your computer. It shouldn't be like that. Games where a honest competition is possible and the porting is authentically made for both, windows takes the losing end.
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Posted 2/28/16 , edited 2/28/16

zuzma wrote:

I have no idea why people seem to suggest mint to other people (maybe because it's kinda like windows?). Ubuntu or fedora are a way better option


Because Ubuntu has a god awful interface. It makes me want to rip my hair out every time I and many people use it plus Ubuntu has a habit of releasing patches too soon and they crash people's computers. Mint has a great windows like interface and has a delay between patches so mint rarely ever crashes from patches while my co-workers Ubuntu randomly has problems after every few updates.


namealreadytaken wrote:


KnightOfZero1991 wrote:games ran smoother [on linux]

citation needed
i remember reading that steam runs slower on linux, and even the same game running on a windows vm runs faster than using steam.



I dual-boot windows 7 and Linux mint. I'd say when properly made there is little difference between the smoothness of play. What is true is that Mint boots using 700mb of ram with all my shit loaded while windows 7 uses a min of 1.6gb (after modifications(aka turning off services and background processes)). If you have 16 gb of ram there will be little difference but I was running on a max of 4GB of ram and switching to linux made a HUGE difference because of all the excess RAM I had available. I was better off running a windows game in WINE on linux than I was running it in windows due to all the RAM that was saved playing on linux.

Now some of the games I have are both windows/linux based and the one I have actually cared to compare uses more RAM in Windows 7 than it does in Linux. CPU wise I haven't compared because my CPU was never a limitation. So there can be truth in what he says but smoothness is a rather bad measurement unit.

Steam runs great on linux. I haven't done any kind of major stress test comparisons but it worked as fast on my windows 7 as it did on linux, booted faster in linux.
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Rujikin wrote:

> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes.


Claims he's modified it so heavily it impacts boot times . . . then complains about stability after
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Posted 2/28/16 , edited 2/28/16

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> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes. The problem is that some software developers don't care to update their shit.

I just wonder why vlc hasn't made a self installer of the newest version for mint. They have the make file if you really want to do it yourself.


What are you boot times? Windows already boots in less than 20 seconds.


Haha might boot in less than 20 seconds on a fresh install. Once you install all your security software and programs installed it boots slower. I found out that, besides all the startup processes in msconfig, windows update was the main cause of my slow boots and once I disabled it the thing booted up in half the time. Turned off some various services and almost halved that boot up time.


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Rujikin wrote:

> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes.


Claims he's modified it so heavily it impacts boot times . . . then complains about stability after


I've had the same install for 7 years plus I just moved it to a new build without reinstalling the whole thing. When was the last time you had to reinstall your OS?

My windows is more stable than most people's but that is only because I know how to repair and maintain it to keep that stability. For most people their windows implodes within a year or two because of crapware installations or them being unaware of all the maintenance you have to do on it to keep it running well.
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zinjashike wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes.


Claims he's modified it so heavily it impacts boot times . . . then complains about stability after


Exclude most of the useless stuff that is loaded on start, have it running on SSD. It should have better stability that way, though you really have to use ctrl+alt+del way too often in windows... x.x

ps. if it boots over 1 second it could be faster. Linux should easily manage this.
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conikettu wrote:


zinjashike wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes.


Claims he's modified it so heavily it impacts boot times . . . then complains about stability after


Exclude most of the useless stuff that is loaded on start, have it running on SSD. It should have better stability that way, though you really have to use ctrl+alt+del way too often in windows... x.x

ps. if it boots over 1 second it is slow. :'DD


That isn't modified, that's simply performing startup exclusions (optimization). If you're looking at actually modified Windows distros you're looking at something like nlite, R7lite, etc.
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conikettu wrote:


zinjashike wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes.


Claims he's modified it so heavily it impacts boot times . . . then complains about stability after


Exclude most of the useless stuff that is loaded on start, have it running on SSD. It should have better stability that way, though you really have to use ctrl+alt+del way too often in windows... x.x

ps. if it boots over 1 second it could be faster. Linux should easily manage this.


SSD will improve boot times but has no impact on stability. You have to do various maintenance methods to keep your windows running smooth.

Booting linux under one second (656 milliseconds to be precise): http://elinux.org/images/9/97/Boot_one_second_altenberg.pdf


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conikettu wrote:


zinjashike wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

> Implying windows works without issues

I've had far less issues on linux than I ever had on windows and I can modify windows so heavily that I can get it to boot in 1/3 the time it normally takes.


Claims he's modified it so heavily it impacts boot times . . . then complains about stability after


Exclude most of the useless stuff that is loaded on start, have it running on SSD. It should have better stability that way, though you really have to use ctrl+alt+del way too often in windows... x.x

ps. if it boots over 1 second it is slow. :'DD


That isn't modified, that's simply performing startup exclusions (optimization). If you're looking at actually modified Windows distros you're looking at something like nlite, R7lite, etc.


Yeah but it sounds cooler to say your modifying windows. Turning off certain parts of windows networking is a little more than optimizations.
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As a fan of Linux and FreeBSD, I can say that there are things you can do in linux with a few lines of shell script that would be an absolute nightmare to do in windows. To give an idea, I'm an amateur programmer and pentester. Pentesting is much, much easier in linux than windows simply because Linux is, in many cases, so much better suited to networking than windows.

Buuut, however, Linux is not as good at plug and play type stuff as Windows. If you are not a developer or super user of some kind, then windows will be a much easier operating system because it's already able to do most of the things a regular user needs to do without tinkering. I've spent hours hacking away at a linux box just to get my Wi-fi working. It can be frustrating, but once you understand what your doing then fixing these problems becomes easier.

So, in the end, unless you need what *nix based systems offer, Windows is probably be an easier OS to use.
I'd say the most user friendly distribution of Linux is Ubuntu, but even it has it's issues.

Edit: Out of curiosity, Why the switch to Linux anyway? Is there a specific reason, or did you just want to try it?
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Rujikin wrote:

I've had the same install for 7 years plus I just moved it to a new build without reinstalling the whole thing. When was the last time you had to reinstall your OS?


With Windows 10 I did a fresh install (well, upgrade then wipe install) as many had noted the seven upgrade could have certain items not work properly compared to say 8.1.

Before that it was basically from Windows Vista release to when W10 got released - so a little over eight years?


My windows is more stable than most people's but that is only because I know how to repair and maintain it to keep that stability. For most people their windows implodes within a year or two because of crapware installations or them being unaware of all the maintenance you have to do on it to keep it running well.


Correct, you have to know how to maintain a computer. Like changing oil in a car might be a helpful thing to know. The problem with Linux is that it's simple to a certain point in all honesty - but there's no middle ground like there is with Windows IMO. The second you want to do more it's not maintaining the car but fucking designing it. "An odd bug that is in our tracker is impacting you and has been open for years? Why don't you fix it!" seems to be the type of answer given outside of "I don't know" and "switch distros".

Ultimately my problem with Linux is it's full of idiosyncrasies that vary from distro to distro that almost always eventually become deal breakers when I hit an obscure bug that hasn't been fixed. It's time consuming when you spend a week then realize there is no fix, have to wipe to a new distro, then repeat.


Lietill wrote:

As a fan of Linux and FreeBSD, I can say that there are things you can do in linux with a few lines of shell script that would be an absolute nightmare to do in windows.


Wouldn't powershell or Cygwin alleviate that some? I use powershell on and off at my job for certain tasks but haven't really dealt with shell scripting that often.


To give an idea, I'm an amateur programmer and pentester. Pentesting is much, much easier in linux than windows simply because Linux is, in many cases, so much better suited to networking than windows.


Abso-fucking-lutely. For networking *nix should always be a go to option.
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Lietill wrote:

As a fan of Linux and FreeBSD, I can say that there are things you can do in linux with a few lines of shell script that would be an absolute nightmare to do in windows.


Wouldn't powershell or Cygwin alleviate that some? I use powershell on and off at my job for certain tasks but haven't really dealt with shell scripting that often.


To an extent, yes. You can use shell scripts to make some pretty nifty tools in windows.
I've never meddled with PowerShell for administrative purposes though, so I can't say anything
about that.

My point was more along the lines of "There are certain things you can do in linux, that windows simply won't let you touch by default"
rather than a GUI vs Shell thing.


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Lietill wrote:
My point was more along the lines of "There are certain things you can do in linux, that windows simply won't let you touch by default"
rather than a GUI vs Shell thing.


I never mentioned anything to do with a GUI? I was saying that Windows has its own scripting capability as well with powershell. Reading up it seems many admins believe powershell is more powerful, but in some ways not nearly as flexible. Then again you can run cygwin on Windows anyway so the point is moot.
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I assumed that people only used linux for hacking and bad stuff O_o feels like going from a iphone to a burner phone and using that for playing apps and texting
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I assumed that people only used linux for hacking and bad stuff O_o feels like going from a iphone to a burner phone and using that for playing apps and texting


A Linux server can run more smoothly and use less resources than their windows counterpart. If you pay close attention, many commercial webservers run some sort of linux/apache/php combination. So no, its not for hackers and bad stuff only. Allot of the internet runs on it.

Now with that being said, my biggest complain about Linux distros is that they come around waaaay to often. Even if you use a LTS you will eventually have to move to a newer distro because everything migrates to the newer version.

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