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I start at 15% and depending on service will go upwards of 35% and will not go below 10%. People have bad days. And most their money comes from their tips.
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its not really a tip anymore in this country. its expected, good service or not. and that really pisses me off.
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lambofgenesis wrote:


MRCMike wrote:

I always believed a tip is just that, a tip. Since when did it become a close to a fixed price of 15% of the cost? Does someone who's just doing their job or does a mediocre job deserve a tip? Those that show enthusiasm in their job and go above their typical service deserves it.

I'd like to hear how it goes in Japan? I heard that it's actually an insult to tip people because it implies that they're not making enough money.


Ranwolf wrote:

Ya know I always found the tip thing odd. In North America its' expected, demanded almost. In Europe it's welcomed but not expected. And the two times I've been to Japan I've found out they consider tipping an insult.


Ya you pretty much nailed it. In NA it's become expected and in Europe it's not.


I mean, I guess you two never worked tip-requiring jobs before, which is fortunate for you two. I guess your parents never made you get jobs like that, or you did minimum wage jobs like cashier/etc.

but I can tell you, I know how OP feels like. You have to realize that without tips, you're making probably $2-$4 / hr. I'm not exactly sure, legally, how they can get away with this. I mean are servers, independent contractors or some other non-employee? You know, who knows.

I know it's not fair to make customers pay the payroll, but I've been on the receiving end, and let me tell you it's not pretty.

You try your best to be courteous and nice to customers, hoping they'll give you a tip. It's a lot of effort. It feels like you're "taking care of them" a little more specially. It hurts worse when they're repeat customers, like in my scenario. You do your best to be extra nice and give better service, but they, thick-faced, don't tip. I'm not going to say that you'd end up being rude to them, but you'll definitely give more preference to those who give tips (like what I did), and put those who don't give tips on the back burner.

I know it's not right, but... that's how those sorts of industries are.

so please people, be more empathetic, tip. It's not really a tip, it's literally their paycheck.


You're right. I've never had to work a job like that. So I don't understand being in a situation where someone prefers to be making less than minimum wage and hoping to rely on tips as the main source of income. But I know in my country there are laws in place to avoid these kinds of exploits and I also know in my area people are getting decent pay with wages + tips.
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I used to reflect on the whole meal and tried to figure out how i could improve the service i provide.
I never was upset with a gues who didnt tip tho and if i would have acted rude towards uests that did not tip i prolly would have gotten fired (rightly so).
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I would never tip unless they did a really good job.

My country doesn't force workers to work without a paycheck a tip is what a tip should be an EXTRA
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2 wrongs don't make a right!
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lambofgenesis wrote:



I mean, I guess you two never worked tip-requiring jobs before, which is fortunate for you two. I guess your parents never made you get jobs like that, or you did minimum wage jobs like cashier/etc.

but I can tell you, I know how OP feels like. You have to realize that without tips, you're making probably $2-$4 / hr. I'm not exactly sure, legally, how they can get away with this. I mean are servers, independent contractors or some other non-employee? You know, who knows.

I know it's not fair to make customers pay the payroll, but I've been on the receiving end, and let me tell you it's not pretty.

You try your best to be courteous and nice to customers, hoping they'll give you a tip. It's a lot of effort. It feels like you're "taking care of them" a little more specially. It hurts worse when they're repeat customers, like in my scenario. You do your best to be extra nice and give better service, but they, thick-faced, don't tip. I'm not going to say that you'd end up being rude to them, but you'll definitely give more preference to those who give tips (like what I did), and put those who don't give tips on the back burner.

I know it's not right, but... that's how those sorts of industries are.

so please people, be more empathetic, tip. It's not really a tip, it's literally their paycheck.


Okay first thing's first how in the name of JC on a cross did you get the idea in that pretty head of yours I was against the idea of tipping. I was merely commenting on the concept of tipping in various international locations.

And no I never did work as a server or in the service industry period. One because my adoptive father from a very young age drilled it into my head that I had to develop skills or I would end up in a position where I'd basically live off the charity of others. And sorry mate I had more pride then that even as a school boy.

Though pushing myself that hard sucked as bad living off charity would have likely been. Still I much prefered the back breaking work of farm life over anything else. The wage even as a 15 year old was enough that I never needed any other source of income. And of course I joined the army straight out of high school.
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what if no tip at all?...
like don't have a stupid tip system to begin with.
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I used to work in a restaurant as a server, host, and retail associate. I've never personally been left without a tip, but it happens to my mother, who still works as a server, all the time (or she'll get something like a measly one - two dollars).

I have a couple of things to say:

First of all, I don't care how rude the customer is to you, I would never touch their food. I wouldn't treat them with the same hospitality and I might even give them away to another server, but I think it's pretty low to spit in someone's food or drink.

Secondly, I would really like people to understand that a 20% is kind of a terrible gauge for tipping. Sure, it works on bigger bills like $20 and above, but when you're getting an $8 - 10 meal, don't you think it's a little insulting to leave $1.50 or $2? To all of the people saying a tip is by definition, just a tip, IF YOU LIVE IN THE US, you do realize they're probably only making $4 / hour, right? Servers take a lot of abuse from their customers, let me tell you. Please try to be more understanding. I understand in other countries it's very different, but in the US the federal regulations only require anywhere from 1/4- 1/2 of a normal hourly minimum wage for employees receiving tips.

A 2016 list of maximum and minimum hourly pay for tipped employees, if you're so inclined:

http://www.dhresource.com/albu_1113298351_00/1.200x200.jpg


Please note that in most of these states, receiving just $30 in tips per month allows them you categorize you as a "tipped employee".
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Ranwolf wrote:


lambofgenesis wrote:



I mean, I guess you two never worked tip-requiring jobs before, which is fortunate for you two. I guess your parents never made you get jobs like that, or you did minimum wage jobs like cashier/etc.

but I can tell you, I know how OP feels like. You have to realize that without tips, you're making probably $2-$4 / hr. I'm not exactly sure, legally, how they can get away with this. I mean are servers, independent contractors or some other non-employee? You know, who knows.

I know it's not fair to make customers pay the payroll, but I've been on the receiving end, and let me tell you it's not pretty.

You try your best to be courteous and nice to customers, hoping they'll give you a tip. It's a lot of effort. It feels like you're "taking care of them" a little more specially. It hurts worse when they're repeat customers, like in my scenario. You do your best to be extra nice and give better service, but they, thick-faced, don't tip. I'm not going to say that you'd end up being rude to them, but you'll definitely give more preference to those who give tips (like what I did), and put those who don't give tips on the back burner.

I know it's not right, but... that's how those sorts of industries are.

so please people, be more empathetic, tip. It's not really a tip, it's literally their paycheck.


Okay first thing's first how in the name of JC on a cross did you get the idea in that pretty head of yours I was against the idea of tipping. I was merely commenting on the concept of tipping in various international locations.

And no I never did work as a server or in the service industry period. One because my adoptive father from a very young age drilled it into my head that I had to develop skills or I would end up in a position where I'd basically live off the charity of others. And sorry mate I had more pride then that even as a school boy.

Though pushing myself that hard sucked as bad living off charity would have likely been. Still I much prefered the back breaking work of farm life over anything else. The wage even as a 15 year old was enough that I never needed any other source of income. And of course I joined the army straight out of high school.


Because of your words: "Ya know I always found the tip thing odd. In North America its' expected, demanded almost. In Europe it's welcomed but not expected. And the two times I've been to Japan I've found out they consider tipping an insult. "

I know it's a nuance, but form your word usage, it felt like in the instances where tipping is faux-mandatory, you use words that make it such that those needing tips are being rude. Well of course it's "demanded," how else will they get paid? I would say tipping is required or a given, rather than forced upon the customer like that.

Now I never outright said you were against tipping, but I guess we both read between the lines. I could be wrong, but it seemed to me from your words, that you just don't really care or could be arsed to care about tipping and you'd probably not give a tip if the service was mediocre. To you, it's probably something special that should be given only under the utmost excellent service.

But then I guess that's okay, to each his own. If you look down upon servers and bell hops and other tip-earners like hair stylists (hair stylists are also independent contractors I believe, so they get paid per client rather than per hour, and only a minute cut) as though they "have no pride" then... I don't know what to say. But please have more empathy with them ffs and tip unless they give uber sub standard service




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ayaundwolf wrote:

I used to work in a restaurant as a server, host, and retail associate. I've never personally been left without a tip, but it happens to my mother, who still works as a server, all the time (or she'll get something like a measly one - two dollars).

I have a couple of things to say:

First of all, I don't care how rude the customer is to you, I would never touch their food. I wouldn't treat them with the same hospitality and I might even give them away to another server, but I think it's pretty low to spit in someone's food or drink.

Secondly, I would really like people to understand that a 20% is kind of a terrible gauge for tipping. Sure, it works on bigger bills like $20 and above, but when you're getting an $8 - 10 meal, don't you think it's a little insulting to leave $1.50 or $2? To all of the people saying a tip is by definition, just a tip, IF YOU LIVE IN THE US, you do realize they're probably only making $4 / hour, right? Servers take a lot of abuse from their customers, let me tell you. Please try to be more understanding. I understand in other countries it's very different, but in the US the federal regulations only require anywhere from 1/4- 1/2 of a normal hourly minimum wage for employees receiving tips.

A 2016 list of maximum and minimum hourly pay for tipped employees, if you're so inclined:

http://www.dhresource.com/albu_1113298351_00/1.200x200.jpg


Please note that in most of these states, receiving just $30 in tips per month allows them you categorize you as a "tipped employee".


wow, so it's the fucking federal government that screws everyone over /on purpose/?? I thought it was the restaurants trying to be cheap and finding ways out... but NO

so what, you can't get tips AND enjoy minimum wage simultaneously?! What kind of bs is that?!

WHOOPS U GUYS GET TIPS SO HAHAHA UR MINIMUM WAGE IS $4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Posted 2/28/16
Well, since i take great pleasure in expressing myself both in words and in action, I must say that if I were a waiter and you piss me off, you best throw away any food i bring to you which by the way I know a few ladies in that profession who have shared stories of disgusting stuff they have participated in far worse than that forum post about women putting their blood on Valentine chocolates. So food for thought people
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It's probably why you see a lot of places that pay full hourly wage tell their employees not to accept tips. Haha. I mean, we all do anyway, but it just can't be reported.

It's pretty shitty if you ask me. We should just adopt the same minimum wage for everyone and if a customer wants to tip, they should tip. It's not really fair to the server if their customer is uneducated enough to know that they make half of what everyone else does. I mean, realistically you can have shitty service anywhere. Earlier some girl at Starbucks was rude af to my sister and walked away from the counter before even getting her food, then laughed at her when another employee said she forgot. I bet that bitch is getting at least $9 an hour.
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I would just go watch the movie "still waiting" and remember why i'm neither a waiter nor do I go out to eat often or purposely antagonise the person('s) coming within derect contact of my food. Tbh I treat people in the service industry kindly and sparingly it takes a lot of will power to deal with people all day...
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I would ask my employer to provide wages that don't require the good graces of a customer to support my living, and I would fail because, from the perspective of employers, why pay your employees when you can make customers do it for you? Really, the only way we can get rid of this system is if we make a law against it (which I'd rather not do) or we stop tipping. If we stop tipping, then keep in mind, by law (at least in my state, probably federally though) employers have to pay wait staff minimum wage if they don't get tips to the hourly equivalent. That means that, if we stop tipping, waiters are making minimum wage, and since that isn't worth the shitty work waiters do, turn-over and shitty wait staff makes employers raise wages, and we can go to the much more sensible system of exchanging a product for money instead of the customer having to decide, on the basis of one set of interactions with a total stranger "how much should this person make?" Anyway, I don't want to argue this, so I'll probably ignore anyone that replies to me, but this video puts it in a comedic and entertaining way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
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