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So, what can we do about this?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/03/02-1/japanese-government-aims-to-ease-visa-rules-on-foreign-animators-and-designers

The problem is in what is stated in the comments section of the article. It's nice that Japan wants to let foreigners sweat in their.... I mean work in their sweatshops.... I mean animation studios, but they're getting paid a really low wage. Why is that? Are we part of the problem? If so, how? How can we be part of a solution that ends up with these minions of the anime industry earning what they are worth?

Some may say, "stop pirating." Fine, but the studios are seeing real profits now. Especially since anime has become a major export product of Japan. So, why isn't any of that money making its way into the minions' paycheck?

Are the local Japanese animators quitting because they are earning what amounts to slave wages? So, now they see a need to import foreign slaves... I mean foreign workers to do the highly skilled and tedious work of being a sweatshop worker.... I mean animator?

I mean, it seems that rather than pay the Japanese animators more money for their work, they'd rather let them quit and hire cheap foreign labor... Isn't that kind of a low point for a modern wealthy nation like Japan?

I hate it when we do it in the United States. Hire cheap illegal aliens to do carpentry, plumbing, electrical, mechanic, etc, etc, etc.... I'm sure the Japanese animators are hating being hung out to dry....

So, what can we as consumers do?
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Well i used to buy alot of anime but i simply cannot afford it anymore. I have alot of old VHS and dvds and figurines but yeah had to stop.
Crunchyroll is almost the sole place that i spend any money on anime at all anymore.

Intersting also, like here in Australia its often immigrants who do low paying jobs or jobs that otehr people do not want to do, kind of fucked up that producing anime fits into the same catergory as say being a cleaner or a fruit picker or a taxi driver and the like..



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I say we accept them allowing us to enter into the anime market. Why? It's always sounded like a niche market for years and if (for example) the US animators on the west coast want to become anime artists why not travel to Japan to work a good amount of the time? It may actually give them some real perspective as to what actually goes into making anime and it will be taught via working locally there with the studios that produce the various anime shows. This is just part of the way it is becoming main stream, and from what I've been seeing a lot of Japanese people are beginning to be able to found their own companies or work with existing companies to make shows like Maou no Yuusha to Asterik War, stuff that used to be harder pressed to become anime, into actual anime.
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It's a really hard one to call. A primary problem is that anime production is a notoriously expensive thing, from which neither light not time seems to escape. For the most part, the industry grows; but whoever's at the bottom doesn't get higher - they just end up sharing the space with more people struggling with as little if not less.

Main problem is, people from poorer countries will always leap at the chance for any work in a wealthier country, and employers will always favour the staff they can price gouge on wages. That's basically all immigration amounts to now-a-days, it's just cheap labour for employers who will prey upon immigrants dreams for a better life.

I honestly think the anime market needs a technological revolution, and down-sizing. Too much stuff is being made each season, and a lot of it is derivative as all hell, full of animation errors and usually only just makes bank if it doesn't flop altogether. Even so, I'll support the staff to the minimal extent that I can - it's all we can really do.
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DragonFan1 wrote:

I say we accept them allowing us to enter into the anime market. Why? It's always sounded like a niche market for years and if (for example) the US animators on the west coast want to become anime artists why not travel to Japan to work a good amount of the time? It may actually give them some real perspective as to what actually goes into making anime and it will be taught via working locally there with the studios that produce the various anime shows. This is just part of the way it is becoming main stream, and from what I've been seeing a lot of Japanese people are beginning to be able to found their own companies or work with existing companies to make shows like Maou no Yuusha to Asterik War, stuff that used to be harder pressed to become anime, into actual anime.


Yeah... Sounds good, but wouldn't that mean taking a pay cut? A HUGE PAY CUT?!?!? U.S. Animators aren't paid the peanuts that Japanese animators are paid.
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DragonFan1 wrote:

I say we accept them allowing us to enter into the anime market. Why? It's always sounded like a niche market for years and if (for example) the US animators on the west coast want to become anime artists why not travel to Japan to work a good amount of the time? It may actually give them some real perspective as to what actually goes into making anime and it will be taught via working locally there with the studios that produce the various anime shows. This is just part of the way it is becoming main stream, and from what I've been seeing a lot of Japanese people are beginning to be able to found their own companies or work with existing companies to make shows like Maou no Yuusha to Asterik War, stuff that used to be harder pressed to become anime, into actual anime.


Yeah... Sounds good, but wouldn't that mean taking a pay cut? A HUGE PAY CUT?!?!? U.S. Animators aren't paid the peanuts that Japanese animators are paid.


I suppose that's true but if you think about it... For years, well, we've had movies and anime like Howl's Moving Castle from the early to mid 90s produced first in Japan and then in US yet people say the Japanese animators behind these movies never really got the respect deserved for some of these movies until way after they came out, and some of those movies were large grossing films or shows. That said, payment for one's work is always extremely important but I do believe if people trade animation ideas that eventually proper balanced payment for the actual anime industry will occur no matter who makes something.
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The average income for a young (20~30 yo)Japanese animator is less than $10,000/year. It doubles for 30~40 yo animators but it's still low.


$10,000 is about £7058.66; you can earn significantly more on a full time minimum wage job in the UK (approx. £13,500) that requires no formal qualifications. If Japan wants attract foreign talent that will stay for more than a couple of years, the issue of very low pay would need to be resolved.
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TheObserverRequiem020 wrote:
A primary problem is that anime production is a notoriously expensive thing

The Wind Rises had a budget of $30 million, and someone claimed to me that most of that was marketing. Frozen had a budget of $150 million. It's common for episodes of American shows to spend 9 months in production, and in the same amount of time an entire 12 episode anime show might be produced from start to finish. And nevermind that the episodes of shows like Adventure Time and Steven Universe are half the length of anime. The Simpsons spends more on a single voice actor per episode than the entire production budget of one anime episode.

I don't believe that most people genuinely care about the salaries of Japanese animators (as an aside, they don't all get paid the same amount--experience and skill matter in animation too). This is just another thing for them to complain about and use against anime.
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I can't draw, but if they're willing to look for teenaged writers who are starving to help Ryogho Panderer Narita make a Nasujima side story, I'm here....
I'm here...
I'm heeeere...
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sure reminds me of dbs

get paid shit
do shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZX586dsRE
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Nothing.
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RedExodus wrote:

sure reminds me of dbs

get paid shit
do shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZX586dsRE

That's not how it works, and Dragon Ball is not representative of anime.
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I don't even know.
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Oh great... I was running out of reasons to want to kill myself -_-
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drninja wrote:


RedExodus wrote:

sure reminds me of dbs

get paid shit
do shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZX586dsRE

That's not how it works, and Dragon Ball is not representative of anime.


that was not a serious statement tho
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