Post Reply I re-watched Digimon Adventure 01, it's so fucking good.
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So I saw this... what was it even called? Digimon tri-adventure or something? Here on Crunchyroll. I watched it, and it was just horrible.... Nothing happens in the first episode, and then they had to bring back a bad digimon from the original series. I mean one of the fun things about the series is wacky digimon designs but they obviously didn't feel like being creative so they just bring back the giant red bug thing from the first episode but made it stronger, for no reason. It's just like young Arnord in the new terminator movie, blatant cash grab for nostalgia with no real effort. And then when all the original kids got together and the good guys are too strong, what do they do? They just bring in two more copies of the red bug. WTF! Can they possibly be more lazy? I mean name an instance in the original series where a serous enemy has some kind of a clone!? Well I watched all of it and there is no such instance. The only cloned bad digimons are mobs that die from one hit, except for maybe the garbage-bin-mon, but they only took 2 hits to die.

And then there was the new evolve sequence, which is now all CG and pure shit. Just watch the original and see how it's all hand-drawn but super smooth and with incredibly consistent form, as in when the digimons spin they don't change shape due to human error, they still look epic even today. The only exceptions to this were the two ultimate level digimons, they had CG sequences for super-evolve and warp-evolve. But you have to remember this was the 90s and computer graphics was still RAD at the moment unlike today, when CGI is just used to do things you don't feel like drawing because it's easy and cheap, seeing how it's supposed to be a digital world, the use of CGI could very well be an artistic choice, like it's supposed to look like a videogame because it is kind of what it is. But with the new one, they made it cell-shaded which can only be interpreted as the same style as everything else, and it couldn't have been an artistic choice.

let's also talk about how the sequence actually goes. In the original, first you get the digivice power meter shooting through, which represents some kind of "fighting spirit", and then there's the spiral of digital information where the evolved form appears and dissolves into pieces of data. All the data then sort of feeds into the lower form digimon and they just suddenly change into the evolved form. This makes sense because they are supposed to be just pieces of data, The children kind of just calls down the evolved forms with their fighting spirit, totally reasonable in the context of the show.
In the new one, they just go into this generic egg and come out as the new form, which is just cliche, like evolve, egg, egg, evolve, chicken, egg, evolve, chicken... get it? The egg means evolve. It's just stupid because we know digimon evolution has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution and nothing to do with eggs. The digimons are born from eggs why would they first reverse to the first form?

There's not much to talk about in terms of story and character for the new series, except that it's fucking boring. There's so much filler where nobody does anything and they just keep showing generic shots of cities getting destroyed. Where as in the first series, the back story has already been established, and digimons already evolved. That's all you needed because nobody cares that much why and how things are happening, especially kids. You get some time at the start of a show to show your assumptions and set the story in motion so just fucking do it!

Now let's talk about the story of the original series in some detail. I won't bother with seaways any more so this is just gonna be in like point form:

= The chosen children all go through their own story arc of growing up, where their digimons are actually analogous to their level of maturity, since the kids do not physically grow up. Generally speaking they go from "child form", where they are reliant on adults, to "adult form" (more like, young adult) where they have learnt to survive by themselves in the digital world via hunting/gathering etc.

=In order to further evolve into "perfect form" (more like, actual adult form) they have to embody various virtues that require some kind of maturity. For example Tachi's bravery pendent only works when he discovers the true meaning of bravery, which is taking calculated and necessary risks without hesitation, when he steps through the (potential) electric fence to save Sora. Another example which I love is the computer guy's pendent of knowledge does not work when he embraces the pseudo science of "universe power", equivalent to today's "quantum" mambo jumbo. The pendent of friendship activates when realizes the core of friendship is trust. The pendent of purity activates when Mimi just wants people to stop fighting and hurting each other. The pendent of honesty activates when the guy self sacrifices to protect his promise. The pendent of love activates when Sora realizes that she left because she loved all of her friends. The pendent of dream activates when.... I'm sorry I think this one was a bit weak, it just activates because the bad guy needs to die. And finally, the pendent of hope activates when everything else is lost.

=To evolve into the ultimate form, I'm not quite sure I read this right but it seems like you have to take on responsibility for others, specifically the dreams (Hikari) and hopes (the kid in green) of the next generation.
And also, not everyone can be ultimate form, which is kind of important, because people aren't born equal, some people have more power and therefore more responsibility than others. However, like the high school guy latter confirms, we all have our unique responsibilities and we should try to do what we can.

=One of the most memorable things about the show was just how strong Angelmon is, he's like, always one form above everyone else, but he's also the last to evolve. This is because hope is only reserved for the most desperate times and it is the most powerful of virtues. The bearer of hope and dream are also kids younger than everyone else, which makes sense because they are essentially the hopes and dreams of the current generation. Every parent want their kids to have better lives than they have had, they can be said to be the very foundation of human progress. Which is also why both Angelmon and Angelwomon have like power gathering moves, that gather the power of all the other digimon.

=The enemies are also analogous to the most common threats to kids at their corresponding period of development. At first it's "devilmon", which sounds like he's supposed to be the strongest bad guy, yet he's dead in the first 13 episodes? This is because he signifies physical death. Where as the latter bad guys signify psychological evils that are not yet developed by young kids in the "child form". Devilmon is defeated when everyone goes into "adult form"

=Etamon is is most likely the embodiment of teenage stupidity, he's got the bad music, the tech, and the attitude. He is defeated when Graymon evolves into perfect form.

=The... Draculamon... I'm not sure but I'm guessing he's just the calculated bad guy, like many real life non-impulsive criminals/ people of questional morals. He is defeated when everyone is in perfect form and are working together.

=And then there's the... giant-dracula-mon. Starting from here the bad guys I think are evils that originate from ourselves The giant dracula-mon is probably somehting like wrath or hate.

=Metal-Seadragon is probably the desire to control. The wooden-doll-mon is jealousy. The mecha-godzilla-mon is... not sure. And finally Piemon is just I guess pure evil, like The Joker.

= Each of the 8 children's digimons are also great fit for their respective virtue. Bravery- Badass T-Rex. Friendship- a wolf, as in, wolf packs? Love- a bird of FIRE. Knowledge- well I guess a monkey/dolfin would not be cool, this one is a bit of a stretch. Awkwardness- the awkward seal. No just kidding... Purity- a cactus, which is most likely saying that kids are annoying like cactus, but at their heat they're beautiful and pure, like when cactus-mon evolves into Lilimon. Dream/hope- female/male angel.

= Notice how Graymon evolves into metal graymon where as the wolf-mon first becomes werewolf-mon. I'd say this is because raw power is more important in terms of bravery where as cunning is more important for friendship. But at the end, each will have to take some of the strengths of the other side. I feel like the werewolf-mon should evolve into wolvarine-mon, like metal augmentation + human form? instead of loosing the human form and just have a bunch of missiles. Maybe that would make the ultimate dual not as cool since both would be humanoids, it's more cool especially when making toys, for one of them to not be humanoid.

= During the first half of the show, the chosen children save instead of kill a number of enemies out of compassion, and at the very end they all come back to help the kids. This is why compassion is very important, most people are not pure evil and you can usually swing them over to the good side.

= The story is just so tight, every character is well-developed, there is some life lesson to be learned from almost every episode. I have to say every character is really lovable and this is probably the only anime where I could say that. The kid in green starts off like a brat but you can really see him growing up and becoming more mature in general. Mimi starts off as like a whiner but she also develops in her own way, without loosing her character of loving peace and avoiding violence. etc etc....

=The names of the 8 chosen children are obviously named after their character, which western audiences may not realize. Tachi sounds like standing up. Yamato is like, harmony. Sora is humm the sky but I'm sure there's some connection I don't know about. Mimi in kanji is beauty, Koushiro is like the bright one, Jou is just like.. creditability/manhood, Takeru is like, I can do it. Hikari is also easy, just light.

= Every music in this show is awesome, and that is again, probably the only show I can say that. I mean there are a lot of shows with great music, some of them better than in Digimon, but Digimon is the only one where I like literally every song there is.

Anyway, if you haven't watched this show since you were a kid, or if you haven't watched it at all, what are you waiting for? Drop your current nostalgia money grab garbages and go watch this show.
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Wow you are serious about your Digimon.

Respect, yo.
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Are you sure you don't have your nostalgia goggles on too tight? Cause when I re watch anime I've seen years ago, my ratings would go from an 8 to like a 5
For example I watched Elfen Lied around 2008 and I gave it a 10/10, I re watched it again 4 months ago and lowered my score to a 6/10
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alright, you got me.

i'll watch it again; i've always held it off for some reason.
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Yuki_Narukami wrote:

tl;dr
Are you sure you don't have your nostalgia goggles on too tight? Cause when I re watch anime I've seen years ago, my ratings would go from an 8 to like a 5
For example I watched Elfen Lied around 2008 and I gave it a 10/10, I re watched it again 4 months ago and lowered my score to a 6/10


I dunno, I also have rewatched other shows from the past like Evangelion but I didn't find that to be any better than what people have been saying, I still hate the protagonist and everything, even though I now understand why he is the way he is.

Digimon here definitely has some down sides I didn't mention be cause I thought OP was long enough and the down sides don't really matter for various reasons. For example the fights are meaningless and simplistic, there is basically no factor involved other than a basic power level, and the one with the higher power level wins. I don't think this matters that much because for one thing like I said the show is about how the characters mature and grow up, and the enemies are really just analogous to inner obstacles on their journey, so exactly how they are defeated is not important. You know, why is Angelmon so OP and able to just clean up enemies that just kicked everyone else's combined ass? Because having hope even in the most desperate times is the most powerful human virtue. How angelmon fights is not important.

Another criticism from the modern view point might be, why are all the guys stronger than the girls? I mean that's suspiciously sexist, why are Tachi and Yamato the only ultimate forms? Is it saying that men have more potential than women? Why is Angelmon super OP in a very straightforward way while Angelwomon is more in line with the other perfect forms in terms of power level? I just don't think this is necessarily sexist, the girls are not actually less important they're just not as strong in combat (Sora single-handedly saving everyone else while going solo, Hikari self-sacrifices to save everyone else, but then also wins the following battle by her self. She later also team-buffs everyone else to beat mechagodzilla-mon), which I think can be a better take at gender equality.

The bad guys have questionable intelligence as they don't immediately jump in to eliminate the chosen children when they totally know that the kids get stronger each day. I mean if Piemon knew about the kids from the start, and knew that they evolve over time, and knew that the evolved forms get stronger over time. Why didn't he just go camp at the starting island and insta-kill all the children as soon as they spawn in? Clearly he knew that the kids can destroy evil or else he wouldn't have intervened in the plan to bring in those kids? it's the same thing with Devilmon, he could see the kids get stronger over time, but instead of going in and just killing them, he sends in his henchmen to lvl up the kids instead. At the end Piemon says in the children's face that the two ultimate forms cannot beat him because they haven't been in that form for long enough. And then he just lets the kids defeat the other 3 bad guys one by one so they can have more time?
Well I think that's ultimately not a huge problem because most shows will have to wrestle with this problem and most of them just sort of sweep it under the rug. The only show I've seen that really addresses this is Kill la Kill (and no Digimon isn't better than Kill la Kill because no boobs).
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I agree, Digimon Adventures 01 is fucking good. Not just nostalgic but it's a classic and when I was watching it during childhood, I always thought the characters, storytelling, and overall presentation to be among one of the best shows. This and Digimon Tamers are among my favorites from the franchise.
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