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Post Reply So what's so bad about Bernie?
Posted 3/8/16
I dunno if it's his policy on healthcare, national security, or the economy that makes him even less likable then Hilary but still they're are ball-less Democrats...pffff
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He is socialist, I am socialist. I would also vote for Hilary...

Either way... the USA is fucked. There are no good people to vote for this election. I need to hurry and get back to Germany.
Well, I wasn't asking what political stance that you share with him. I was more so asking what policies that he has announced that you agree with or disagree with. Why would you vote for Hillary? What points has she made that you agree with/disagree with? Etc.


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he is against war. which is a plus, I do not see why it is so bad for America to mind its own business.

he was arrested for protesting and marching with MLK.

Hillary who called you guys criminals in the 90s and had a high incarceration rate along with her husband

simply BOUGHT the black vote. if she gets in office she will probably forget about you guys

he is for the environment, which unfortunately we are past the point of no return

republican is against the environment and some even want to get rid of the environmental protection agency and undo the agreement between the usa and like over 100 other countries to help that got agreed on a few months ago

their wages should go up too. of course they shouldn't stay the same.

Not taking what you said out of context. Just trimmed to comment on the points you have made. Thanks for commenting! On tablet so formatting is difficult. Will just answer in chronological order.

I agree with the first point just on the premise. I think that America has enough problems as it is without dealing with the problems of other countries. I understand that America is trying to be a 'big brother', but we are so focused more in others before us it seems.

Was he really? Can you source that for me please? I had not heard of that. I have heard that he has stood his ground in regards to his beliefs for a long time, so if this is the case, then I do think that he does make his case great with blacks in America. But I thought I heard that he does not have the majority support of the minorities, if so, why is this the case?

Also would like a source for this. I have heard people call her a criminal before, but have never known for what reason.

I am aware that much of politics can be bought, but how is it that you can say that she bought the black vote? Not challenging you, but once more asking for a source to this allegation.

This is also, what I cnsider to be a good point for a candidate to be on. The world is not a green place, and I feel we should be doing something better about it.

Why do you say that republicans are against the environment? Is this a generalization or is there a reason that you make this claim. Again ignorant towards politics in general, and am looking to learn more. Is there something in republican policy that puts a less active stance towards protecting the environment? Or is it more so that the people representing the republican party do not take an active stance towards being green?

Why is it that women's wages should go up? I thought the wage gap has been disproven multiple times.

As a final question. You seem pro bernie. Is there anything that you disagree with about him? Once again, thanks for responding.

ok, ill answer as thoroughly as I can, for the republicans saying they are against the environment, they said it they last couple of debates, trump being one, he said he would get rid of the EPA either last debate or the one before, if you look on ted cruz's website it says he will get rid of everything Obama has done for the environment including the agreement in paris, I believe it was cruz, you can look though


here. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

as for Hillary buying black votes, http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/black-caucus-endorses-hillary/2016/02/11/id/713829/ these guys endorsed her. imo I think this is how it works, if a big black group endorses someone the regular common black person will probably think "well if they are for her,i should be too, because they are for me"
and seeing as how we have a generation now that probably doesn't even remember what Hillary has done and is hearing her say "i am for you" they don't know better ...or they know and ignore it.

as for the other about her calling blacks "super predators " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg
as for why Bernie doesn't have many black votes I think it is due to Hillary, because of what I have said above

also I wasn't saying women wages, I was saying the wages of people who already make more from their profession such as police men and fire fighters, and I was saying they should go up when the regular wage goes up was well, in general
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Socialism is only good if you have nothing. If you have a car, a house and a decent income, socialism absolutely sucks.

The problem with Bernie is that his ideal society is Denmark. Denmark - The land where you're taxed at a 60% rate.

I feel that I already pay enough in taxes, and I certainly don't want to pay so everyone can have a college degree. Unless, of course, the government is willing to reimburse everyone for the cost of their college education.
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I take personal offense to a few of his racial comments. Overall, as a president, I don't have much opinion. If the comments I'm referring to are any indication, though, I'll "enjoy" his race-baiting shit about as much as I do from anyone else, though his position may make things even worse. I don't accept presidential candidates who appear more interested in dividing the nation, as opossed to actually striving to be a leader. I feel similarly about political-baiting. As you may imagine, I'm none too pleased with this election.



But, damn, anyone but Hillary.

The Bernie memes are pretty funny.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

He is socialist, I am socialist. I would also vote for Hilary...

Either way... the USA is fucked. There are no good people to vote for this election. I need to hurry and get back to Germany.
Well, I wasn't asking what political stance that you share with him. I was more so asking what policies that he has announced that you agree with or disagree with. Why would you vote for Hillary? What points has she made that you agree with/disagree with? Etc.


redokami wrote:

he is against war. which is a plus, I do not see why it is so bad for America to mind its own business.

he was arrested for protesting and marching with MLK.

Hillary who called you guys criminals in the 90s and had a high incarceration rate along with her husband

simply BOUGHT the black vote. if she gets in office she will probably forget about you guys

he is for the environment, which unfortunately we are past the point of no return

republican is against the environment and some even want to get rid of the environmental protection agency and undo the agreement between the usa and like over 100 other countries to help that got agreed on a few months ago

their wages should go up too. of course they shouldn't stay the same.

Not taking what you said out of context. Just trimmed to comment on the points you have made. Thanks for commenting! On tablet so formatting is difficult. Will just answer in chronological order.

I agree with the first point just on the premise. I think that America has enough problems as it is without dealing with the problems of other countries. I understand that America is trying to be a 'big brother', but we are so focused more in others before us it seems.

Was he really? Can you source that for me please? I had not heard of that. I have heard that he has stood his ground in regards to his beliefs for a long time, so if this is the case, then I do think that he does make his case great with blacks in America. But I thought I heard that he does not have the majority support of the minorities, if so, why is this the case?

Also would like a source for this. I have heard people call her a criminal before, but have never known for what reason.

I am aware that much of politics can be bought, but how is it that you can say that she bought the black vote? Not challenging you, but once more asking for a source to this allegation.

This is also, what I cnsider to be a good point for a candidate to be on. The world is not a green place, and I feel we should be doing something better about it.

Why do you say that republicans are against the environment? Is this a generalization or is there a reason that you make this claim. Again ignorant towards politics in general, and am looking to learn more. Is there something in republican policy that puts a less active stance towards protecting the environment? Or is it more so that the people representing the republican party do not take an active stance towards being green?

Why is it that women's wages should go up? I thought the wage gap has been disproven multiple times.

As a final question. You seem pro bernie. Is there anything that you disagree with about him? Once again, thanks for responding.


here is a comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpm4rjejFgQ

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I agree with almost everything he wants to do so he is good in my book and I've already put my abroad vote in for him.
Also he is a democratic socialist not a socialist its not the same thing, democratic socialism is what most of Europe has.

And he is not owned by the banks, he is for the people by the people, a very rare politician who can not be bribed and he has been consistent with his views his whole life not like the others who lie every time and change what they say and tell people just what they want to hear to get votes.

Here is a video of him being arrested while protesting for equal rights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg5WUDXC3po

He is someone who really wants to help the American people and our country be a better place, its very inspiring.
I don't think he will be able to get everything he wants done if he becomes president as congress still needs to vote and approve everything but its a big step in the right direction.
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The Berniebots drive me crazy.
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I'm all for the environment, so I'm all for Bernie. Other then that I couldn't care less who is president. I'm one of those people that think no matter who the president, it won't really matter.
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Well, I'm a pretty strong Bernie supporter too, and while I wouldn't consider myself an absolute "sheep", I will concede that I've been raised by parents with liberal leanings, and most of my news and politics information comes from left-wing sources as as The Young Turks network. I also happen to be an Indian, and Jawaharlal Nehru, a prominent founding father of independent India, was somewhat of an influence on me, and was a pretty staunch socialist to boot, a MUCH bigger socialist than Bernie Sanders, all things considered.

I am basically on his side 100% with regards to his policies on healthcare, education and finance reform. Going by the news I've been hearing about America since 2008, I find that many of Bernie's political stances have basically been vindicated by recent developments in the U.S. I kept hearing about complaints regarding America's exorbitant healthcare prices and crippling student loan debt problems long before I ever heard of Bernie himself, and the fact that he's proposed so many ambitious changes to the system in order to alleviate these chronic issues puts him head and shoulders above all the other candidates even without going into his stance on campaign financing.

But it's the campaign finance reform issue that really seals the deal for me. He's made his opposition to the lobbyist dominated structure of politics so clear that he won't even take any lobbyist money. While other candidates do fundraisers for their super PACs and go out of their way to pander to whichever corporate lobby can help them, Bernie has relied on individual donations to fund his campaign. The kind of donations you make by logging into his website (okay, I haven't gone that far, but still). Any super PAC actually supporting him raised its money independently of Bernie's involvement. Compare this to the decidedly shady tactics of virtually every other candidate in the race (I've heard even Trump tried to negotiate with lobbyists before they turned him down) and Bernie's a patron saint by Washington standards.

And yes, by the standards of Presidential candidates today, Bernie Sanders has been incredibly consistent on the issues, especially when compared with Hillary Clinton. He was speaking against deregulation of Wall Street all the way back during Bill Clinton's presidency. He has consistently disparaged free trade agreements because it gives corporations a way to lower the wages of their workers (note that I'm slightly ambivalent on this issue, since India did benefit a bit from outsourcing). He opposed the disastrous war in Iraq when the majority of the political establishment, Hillary included, supported it. He's been consistently pro-LGBT rights since the 1980s, which puts him far ahead of Hillary Clinton and even Barack Obama on this issue.

I see an idealist who's doing his best to solve serious issues faced by the American people. Whenever I hear folks fearmongering about how he's going to raise taxes and he's all for "big government", I find it hard to understand how they can just gloss over the fact that medical bills, student loans, corporate welfare and a bloated defense budget are already pinching the pockets of the American people to a severe extent. He's the one candidate who has the integrity to back up his promises, and while I don't know if he'll succeed in delivering on his promises, I'm confident that he's going to try his hardest. And really, that's exactly what the American people should look for in their President.
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he is for blacks, hello he was arrested for protesting and marching with MLK. if that is not for blacks idk what is
unlike Hillary who called you guys criminals in the 90s and had a high incarceration rate along with her husband. she has now simply BOUGHT the black vote. if she gets in office she will probably forget about you guys. sorry. its just to get votes


http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-14828612
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Well, I'm a pretty strong Bernie supporter too, and while I wouldn't consider myself an absolute "sheep", I will concede that I've been raised by parents with liberal leanings, and most of my news and politics information comes from left-wing sources as as The Young Turks network. I also happen to be an Indian, and Jawaharlal Nehru, a prominent founding father of independent India, was somewhat of an influence on me, and was a pretty staunch socialist to boot, a MUCH bigger socialist than Bernie Sanders, all things considered.

I am basically on his side 100% with regards to his policies on healthcare, education and finance reform. Going by the news I've been hearing about America since 2008, I find that many of Bernie's political stances have basically been vindicated by recent developments in the U.S. I kept hearing about complaints regarding America's exorbitant healthcare prices and crippling student loan debt problems long before I ever heard of Bernie himself, and the fact that he's proposed so many ambitious changes to the system in order to alleviate these chronic issues puts him head and shoulders above all the other candidates even without going into his stance on campaign financing.

But it's the campaign finance reform issue that really seals the deal for me. He's made his opposition to the lobbyist dominated structure of politics so clear that he won't even take any lobbyist money. While other candidates do fundraisers for their super PACs and go out of their way to pander to whichever corporate lobby can help them, Bernie has relied on individual donations to fund his campaign. The kind of donations you make by logging into his website (okay, I haven't gone that far, but still). Any super PAC actually supporting him raised its money independently of Bernie's involvement. Compare this to the decidedly shady tactics of virtually every other candidate in the race (I've heard even Trump tried to negotiate with lobbyists before they turned him down) and Bernie's a patron saint by Washington standards.

And yes, by the standards of Presidential candidates today, Bernie Sanders has been incredibly consistent on the issues, especially when compared with Hillary Clinton. He was speaking against deregulation of Wall Street all the way back during Bill Clinton's presidency. He has consistently disparaged free trade agreements because it gives corporations a way to lower the wages of their workers (note that I'm slightly ambivalent on this issue, since India did benefit a bit from outsourcing). He opposed the disastrous war in Iraq when the majority of the political establishment, Hillary included, supported it. He's been consistently pro-LGBT rights since the 1980s, which puts him far ahead of Hillary Clinton and even Barack Obama on this issue.

I see an idealist who's doing his best to solve serious issues faced by the American people. Whenever I hear folks fearmongering about how he's going to raise taxes and he's all for "big government", I find it hard to understand how they can just gloss over the fact that medical bills, student loans, corporate welfare and a bloated defense budget are already pinching the pockets of the American people to a severe extent. He's the one candidate who has the integrity to back up his promises, and while I don't know if he'll succeed in delivering on his promises, I'm confident that he's going to try his hardest. And really, that's exactly what the American people should look for in their President.


my god thank you, sometimes it takes someone who doesn't live here to truly understand
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redokami wrote:


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I wouldn't, not with the refugee crisis going on, Germany is going to become islamic


America is going to turn black though. Can't win no matter where you go.

Oh wait... it would be stupid if I were saying that seriously.


sharia law is already implemented in no go zones, and not just in Germany, Islamic law is trying to be implemented into their government and its already started


*facepalm* First, Sharia law in its most essential form hasn't been implemented anywhere except for in a few middle eastern countries which are Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania. Nowhere else can specifically islamic laws be seen. Second, the refugee population emigrating into Germany is negligible compared to the total population. Third, Germans have a long history of being somewhat rude to immigrants from the middle east, look up the Turkish worker program, so I don't think that islamic law will get much support. Fourth, NOBODY is actually trying to implement Islamic law because NO (non-radical) MUSLIM ACTUALLY WANTS IT TO BE IMPLEMENTED. Muslims are nice people, go out and talk to some instead of hiding inside you house and making silly comments. (though I'm definitely pro-bernie for most of the reasons you listed about him)
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regionlockedout wrote:I see an idealist who's doing his best to solve serious issues faced by the American people. Whenever I hear folks fearmongering about how he's going to raise taxes and he's all for "big government", I find it hard to understand how they can just gloss over the fact that medical bills, student loans, corporate welfare and a bloated defense budget are already pinching the pockets of the American people to a severe extent. He's the one candidate who has the integrity to back up his promises, and while I don't know if he'll succeed in delivering on his promises, I'm confident that he's going to try his hardest. And really, that's exactly what the American people should look for in their President.


I remember Obama '08, before the Meltdown and Afghanistan hit mid-campaign, back when he was still campaigning on his own platform.
His idealistic naivety, including programs to help restore positive self-image to hard-hit inner cities, made Bernie look like Alan Greenspan in comparison.

Whether Obama succeeded eight years later in the issues he was forced to face is your own political matter of opinion, but he went in with the right outlook, that appealed to frustrated young voters that wanted a lot of progressiveness to happen at once, for the good reasons.
(While Trumpy's sieg-heilers, literally, http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-comparison-response/ , want a lot of change to happen all at once for the bad reasons.)

It wasn't what we voted him in for, but he knew what to do with it.
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How much time do you have, people are so gullible, i would vote for a monkey over Bernie Sanders
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How many times does Socialism have to be tried in order for people to realize it doesn't work. Have you heard his tax proposal, if you want the majority of people not to work than you should vote for him. He has been a leech on society his whole life. never had a real job doesn't know what hard work is and he wants to take hard working people's money and give to people who dont want to work. Its bad enough we have a labor participation work force that has been the highest its ever been. 90 million Americans have stopped looking for work, that's almost the 1/3 of the country. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. And think about it why would people pursue their dreams and careers if they are not going to be properly compensated. The only thing worse that can happen to this country than Bernie getting elected is Obama getting another 4 years. He is just saying a bunch of dumb ideas that appeal to the younger generation who think socialism is cool. Ill tell you this forget Trump, if Bernie wins that's when ill move. I will also stop working, I am already taxed enough as it is but if your going to take half my check i am going to stop working. His tax plan is outrageous and would literally cripple the economy. If there is a god out there please dont let him win.
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