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I certainly do, and as I go forward I'll continue to stick to trusting the collective assessments of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the American Chemical Society, the American Physical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Meteorological Society, the Geological Society of America, the US National Academy of Sciences, the National Science Foundation, and I could go on, and on, and on.
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Yes.
It's real.
The end.
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Wait, holy shit, some of you are saying no?

This is scarier than the neo-nazi threads.




BlueOni wrote:
I certainly do, and as I go forward I'll continue to stick to trusting the collective assessments of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the American Chemical Society, the American Physical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Meteorological Society, the Geological Society of America, the US National Academy of Sciences, the National Science Foundation, and I could go on, and on, and on.


Don't forget the US military and the Pentagon.
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You can't deny that climate change is real. Even if we somehow ignore the rapid melting of the icecaps there's still shit like acid rain which is caused by pollution and climate change. I've yet to see even the most rednecked and ignorant of dumbasses deny that acid rain exists.
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Yes, but I think it's a little overblown.

Sure I don't want to breathe in dirty air and think we should pollute less, but the whole, "It's been super warm this year, Global Warming Confirmed!" thing is BS.
I live in Minnesota and this year has been on of the warmest winters I remember, but that doesn't confirm climate change at all. Two years ago it was one of the coldest winters I remember. People just seem to have forgotten about it.


(also you might want to add a survey to track the yes's and no's)


Just pointing out, you know global warming can cause unusually cold weather too, don't you?


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Yeah but climate change is a freaking normal thing, it's what caused the last damn Ice Age. Shit is going to happen whether we like it or not . Are we speeding it up? Debatable but shit was going to happen regardless.


Debateable? I think you need some extra science classes there.

While there are some natural cycles and phenomenon out there, what has happened out late is none of them.

(My numbers might be off, this is from an old science article I read a ways back)

Once every 1000 or so years the temperature shifts by ~+/- 2 degress
Only every million or so years, the temperature can shift ~+/- 50 degrees or so
Once every 50-100 million or so years, it is expected a huge shift will occur(ice age)

However, the first and second event are short term things, that last from weeks to maybe a couple years, while the ice age is a quite and super drastic change that lasts for like ~100,000 years give or take.

None of these scenarios that science has shown are like what we are currently experiencing.


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please go to this website and enlighten yourself
www.realclimatescience.com
Dont believe global warming just because your teacher or someone you admire thinks so.

This younger generation of kids are so gullible


LOL this is freaking hilarious...

So let me get this straight, this website that looks like it's made by a republican preschooler is suppose to hold some merit? Maybe I might have given it a bit of credit if it actually stuck to the science, but then it goes on it's nice little right-wing propaganda rant near the bottom?

GG excellent resource..

Okayy, so let me get this straight, so, "So you can tell whats normal behavior from only 100 years of temperature records. That's not science that is pseudo science," that's what you wrote, is it not? Yet your link is purely fabricated pseudo science at it's best.

So, lets look at this website:
#1: The vast majority of the numbers are only the US(close minded much mr website admin)
#2: It barks up the same pseudo science you have a problem with, most of it's backing is about some 1930s phenomenon or something
#3: Where are the references for this garbage? I'm pretty sure any decent and reputable website would have links to scientific research or something like that, all I see are charts, and ya know, like the article even says, charts can be manipulated.

So yeah, maybe get some good ol' references that aren't screaming, low quality trash and maybe there'll be a nice discussion on this topic.
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To add to Zero's point, I'm pretty damn sure acid rains aren't a "freaking normal thing"
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Climate change is a thing.

Man made climate change is debatable. Are we helping? Probably not. Are we hurting anything? Probable, but not nearly to the effect that alarmists would have you believe.

While a climate alarmist will show you a pretty graph from about 1850 onwards showing temperatures increasing (please ignore that period from 1940-1970 showing decreasing temperatures despite global CO2 output more than doubling) their argument starts falling apart when you expand the graph out a few centuries. For one, in 1850 something called The Little Ice Age was ending; this was not an 'average' temperature for Earth. It was the equivalent of taking the temperature in winter, calling that the baseline, then freaking out when spring hits. Even before that you see drastic and quick changes in Earth's climate, reaching temperatures higher than we see today.

I do agree with many of the stated agenda goals of the environmental lobby such as increased energy efficiency, alternative energy sources, and cleaner air, but I do question the urgency. Those are excellent long term political and technological goals, but I see no reason to economically handicap our society.

Speaking of politics though, when only a handful of other countries are willing to actually do something about this imagined boogeyman I doubt the direness of the situation. For reference, I am speaking about the Paris Climate Accords. While Europe and US are expected to make drastic cuts, most other countries are pursuing policy goals to increase their CO2 output. Whatever reductions are being made in the developed world are being more than wiped out by the developing world. If the man-made climate change policy was anything other than a global wealth redistributionist policy to funnel money from wealthy democracies into the pockets of UN bureaucrats and third world kleptocrats so a few high society liberals can feel all warm and fuzzy, the recent Paris accords would be chided as an abysmal failure instead of the success it is being touted as.

Furthermore, acid rain is a result of sulfur and nitrogen-oxides being emitted which has no bearing on climate change and is a separate issue.
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While a climate alarmist will show you a pretty graph from about 1850 onwards showing temperatures increasing (please ignore that period from 1940-1970 showing decreasing temperatures despite global CO2 output more than doubling) their argument starts falling apart when you expand the graph out a few centuries. For one, in 1850 something called The Little Ice Age was ending; this was not an 'average' temperature for Earth. It was the equivalent of taking the temperature in winter, calling that the baseline, then freaking out when spring hits. Even before that you see drastic and quick changes in Earth's climate, reaching temperatures higher than we see today.


That you seriously think people who have devoted their entire lives and careers to studying the field of climate science would make a mistake so obvious that you can figure it out is both hilarious and terrifying.

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worlds been warming since the last ice age.... of course climate change is real the earth has quite the unstable climate. At one point the Aegean sea was a land bridge.

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You can't deny that climate change is real. Even if we somehow ignore the rapid melting of the icecaps there's still shit like acid rain which is caused by pollution and climate change. I've yet to see even the most rednecked and ignorant of dumbasses deny that acid rain exists.


What's funny is that acid rain has been helping rain forests grow lately. The acid is mostly nitrogen based acids and rain forests lack nitrogen.

Also acid rain has nothing to do with climate change. Its caused by nitrus oxides in the atmosphere getting washed to the surface by rain. Its pretty much entirely made by humans.
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octorockandroll wrote:

You can't deny that climate change is real. Even if we somehow ignore the rapid melting of the icecaps there's still shit like acid rain which is caused by pollution and climate change. I've yet to see even the most rednecked and ignorant of dumbasses deny that acid rain exists.


What's funny is that acid rain has been helping rain forests grow lately. The acid is mostly nitrogen based acids and rain forests lack nitrogen.

Also acid rain has nothing to do with climate change. Its caused by nitrus oxides in the atmosphere getting washed to the surface by rain. Its pretty much entirely made by humans.


I know what causes acid rain, but the fact that it is man made does not bar it from being climate change. It is a change that a climate can undergo and is therefore a form of climate change, simple as that.

Idk if the rainforest thing is true as I dont have the energy to look it up right now but I do know that even if it provides nitrogen that some trees will need it will also harm the trees by blocking out nutrients found in the water or in the soil as well as introduce toxic compounds to the tree (though if I remember correctly the latter is far less likely) Plus acid rain doesn't necessarily have nitrogen.
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Ravenstein [link url="/forumtopic-943025/do-you-believe-in-climate-change?fpid=53305037"

Furthermore, acid rain is a result of sulfur and nitrogen-oxides being emitted which has no bearing on climate change and is a separate issue.


Acid rain is the result of several compounds, not just sulfur and nitrogen oxides being emitted into the atmosphere. It represents a change in the climate of affected areas and is therefore a form of climate change.

Climate does not just refer to heat, it encapsulates a bunch of other stuff like the rain and the soil for example. Two things affected by acid rain.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

You can't deny that climate change is real. Even if we somehow ignore the rapid melting of the icecaps there's still shit like acid rain which is caused by pollution and climate change. I've yet to see even the most rednecked and ignorant of dumbasses deny that acid rain exists.


What's funny is that acid rain has been helping rain forests grow lately. The acid is mostly nitrogen based acids and rain forests lack nitrogen.

Also acid rain has nothing to do with climate change. Its caused by nitrus oxides in the atmosphere getting washed to the surface by rain. Its pretty much entirely made by humans.


I know what causes acid rain, but the fact that it is man made does not bar it from being climate change. It is a change that a climate can undergo and is therefore a form of climate change, simple as that.

Idk if the rainforest thing is true as I dont have the energy to look it up right now but I do know that even if it provides nitrogen that some trees will need it will also harm the trees by blocking out nutrients found in the water or in the soil as well as introduce toxic compounds to the tree (though if I remember correctly the latter is far less likely) Plus acid rain doesn't necessarily have nitrogen.


Its not climate change because it doesn't change the climate. Acid rain doesn't change weather patterns it just attaches itself to rain whenever it rains.

It harms the flora and fungus attached to the trees mainly. However due to it the trees have more nutrients available so everything is able to grow more, rainforests are typically deprived of resources especially nitrogen. It doesn't have to contain it but acid rain that comes from combustion is typically full of nitrous oxides.
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Of course o.O
There are 7 billion people and counting in this world all making constant pollution in almost everything they do.
I don't understand anyone who thinks this does not effect anything.
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Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

You can't deny that climate change is real. Even if we somehow ignore the rapid melting of the icecaps there's still shit like acid rain which is caused by pollution and climate change. I've yet to see even the most rednecked and ignorant of dumbasses deny that acid rain exists.


What's funny is that acid rain has been helping rain forests grow lately. The acid is mostly nitrogen based acids and rain forests lack nitrogen.

Also acid rain has nothing to do with climate change. Its caused by nitrus oxides in the atmosphere getting washed to the surface by rain. Its pretty much entirely made by humans.


I know what causes acid rain, but the fact that it is man made does not bar it from being climate change. It is a change that a climate can undergo and is therefore a form of climate change, simple as that.

Idk if the rainforest thing is true as I dont have the energy to look it up right now but I do know that even if it provides nitrogen that some trees will need it will also harm the trees by blocking out nutrients found in the water or in the soil as well as introduce toxic compounds to the tree (though if I remember correctly the latter is far less likely) Plus acid rain doesn't necessarily have nitrogen.


Its not climate change because it doesn't change the climate. Acid rain doesn't change weather patterns it just attaches itself to rain whenever it rains.

It harms the flora and fungus attached to the trees mainly. However due to it the trees have more nutrients available so everything is able to grow more, rainforests are typically deprived of resources especially nitrogen. It doesn't have to contain it but acid rain that comes from combustion is typically full of nitrous oxides.


I'm pretty damn sure that when the rain starts giving you asthma it qualifies as a change in the weather. Plus if you study acid rain in university it will be in a climate change studies class

Also show me where you're getting the rainforest tree thing from. I couldn't find it after a minute or so of googling at which point I got bored.
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